Talk:MapleStory/Archive 4

Areas that Need Improvement
This is a discussion area for what was said in the various sections about improving this page. All future discussions should go here if possible so we can poperly target the parts that need the most work.


 * Organization
 * The article needs to be reorganized. At the moment, we have mostly been putting content in whatever place it best seemed to fit. I'll look into doing a bit of reorganization shortly. -- Prod-You
 * I moved some stuff around, with information about the game itself higher up, and information about the game in the real world (ie servers) moved down. Hopefully it flows a little better. -- Prod-You 06:02, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Nearly every letter of the article has been moved since the review on the fourth and I feel that it runs smoother, except for the introduction paragraphs in the gameplay section. Slof 10:05, 9 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Images
 * "Images need fair use rationale. You have entirely too many of them (22 world icons?!? 38 total?!?) to be considered "fair use"." Nifboy
 * I'm not too sure what that means, can someone please clarify? -- Prod-You 05:20, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
 * It means that the images are used more for design purposes than for examples and legitimate reasons. The overuse and inefficiency of the images in the article lessens its ability to be taken seriously as one of Wikipedia's good articles, therefore corrupting its "fair use" rationale (which has come up a lot in this talk session).  Basically, if we suppress the amount of images, the article should appear better.Slof 07:45, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Me and other editors have managed to cut the amount of images down to twelve, including the MapleStory logo, but excluding the server images. I believe the Mushmom image can be removed (or the Curse Eyes and Mushmom both removed and replaced with a defensive monster like the Sentinel), the quest-giving NPC image removed or replaced by a specific quest (e.g., the Ludibrium Toy Factory's Toy Trojan or Dollhouse one) and the Victoria Island map possibly removed. However, due to the increasing amount of image purging in the article, I would like any comments on what I just said. Slof 10:05, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Victoria Island should go, but the curse eyes should stay. It's a pretty typical monster, and it looks better for MapleStory if we show a scary-looking, well-drawn, bloody lizard instead of a flying stone eyeball. There's just no reason to change that. Just wanted to defend my upload :) --Froth 02:45, 29 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Gameplay
 * Very little discussion about how the gameplay works but lots about specifics. This shouldn't be too hard to fix up. -- Prod-You 05:20, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, I looked thorough it a bit and I'm not too sure what to change.... -- Prod-You 06:02, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Without the introductory paragraphs well-defined, this article looks like it is walking on a cane. I hope to freshen the paragraph to give it a broader, user-friendly stance in the near future.  Of course, you can help, too. Slof 10:05, 9 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Events
 * Events can go too, that's extraneous information and it's too long --Froth 04:25, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I disagree with getting rid of it completely. Perhaps convert it into a paragraph of prose rather than a listing? -- Prod-You 06:14, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I would hesitate even to give it a paragraph. It's a very minor thing, and only a small percentage of users participate in them. It's an interesting read, but I'm not sure it has the significance needed to appear in the article, not to mention consume the enormous amount of space that it does. --Froth 20:29, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Heh, i dunno about it being minor. Any time i tried to participate the whole channel lagged so bad my comp couldn't handle the game and crashed :P.
 * Keep the events. BTW, It requires a nice processor, and a good amount of RAM to handle MS. Strangely, it isn't GPU intensive. The Captain Returns 17:27, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I would think that a paragraph would be sufficient. Along with the events, there seems to be a lot about minigames, which I'm not sure is appropriate considering no one in MS ever seems to play them except when they're reeeeeaaallly bored. I think that could be condensed into a small paragraph as well. I also noticed that minigames are mentioned and even described in the opening paragraphs of the article, which seems to suggest that they are an important part of the game (which really isn't true). Can that mention of minigames in the second paragraph of the article be removed/revised? SamanthaPr 16:46, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I minimized the minigame mention in the opening and got rid of the headings in the minigames section so it would be a bit shorter. It can probably still be shrunk a bit.  After looking at the events section, i see that it does need rearranging at least.  Some of the "sections" are one line long.  Perhaps rather than going into details about the events one by one, we could discuss the types of minigames, and give the specific ones as examples. I haven't tried the quests so I'm not too sure what a good grouping would be, or if there are even any new quests. -- Prod-You 02:03, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
 * The minimization made it better, but the events division needs to be succinct. The list of events should either be deleted or merged into the main Events paragraph. Slof 10:05, 9 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Monsters
 * This part definitely deserves it's own section, but it's a little big, but not descriptive enough at the same time.~Cap'n
 * I would not like to see another runoff of this article, but it seems to be necessary. The added amounts of detail in its own article and the ability to shorten this immediate MapleStory article of text and images seems reasonable. Slof 07:57, 4 May 2006 (UTC)


 * References
 * We have essentially NO references. Perhaps some of the main points can be referenced from the Maple Global website or from the Korean website.  A lot of the info comes directly from the game so I'm not too sure how we handle that. Would that be a reference to sauna? -- Prod-You 05:20, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
 * (Updated) I have added six references and hope to add more than twenty soon. (Retired) Plus, if someone can help find a definitive source of the Taiwanese MapleStory replacing that of China's, please append the item.  Thank you. Slof 01:15, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
 * The whole statement doesn't make much sense. Of course people who live in the Republic of China are going to play the Taiwanese version of MapleStory; The Republic of China is Taiwan. I assume that someone confused the Republic of China (Taiwan) with the People's Republic of China, which is what we normally think of when someone says China. So that bit's been removed. --Chris Love 16:52, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I understand--the discrepancies between geographic, political and titular meanings was not as well clarified as it should have been. Slof 01:15, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Image requests
Here is a list of images that need to be improved, added, or removed. Discussions about any picture for this article are welcome. See Added pretty icons at the bottom of this discussion for information on the icons.
 * New Players - [[Image:Symbol_keep_vote.svg|40px]]
 * Picture of the starting screen, preferably with no name entered
 * Wow that was quick :P. After rereading this i realized it isn't clear what i meant.  Was referring to the dice roll stat allocation page. -- Prod-You 22:44, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
 * We still need the proper image, perhaps someone could screenshot this and replace the current login screen image according to what Prod-You originally meant? (very late apologies for the incorrect image I added, heh) Kala  ni  [talk] 02:59, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Heh, no worries. -- Prod-You 04:13, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Done --TheYmode 21:41, 22 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Jumping Quest - [[Image:Symbol_delete_vote.svg|40px]]
 * Image of someone in a jumping quest
 * You think so? You can't really show the spirit of a jump quest in a screenshot. It's a very animated thing. I don't think we need a screenshot of them, it's hard to show all that in a still picture. --Bobadot 09:17, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
 * True, with lasers everywhere and things like that which are very dynamic :P I was mainly thinking about John's first, where there is very little happening.  Just show a character in the middle of a jump from one platform to the next. It will show that the platforms are slow, and if you miss a platform you fall down. -- Prod-You 18:08, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree with what Prod-You wants. We still need an example image, anyone care to add one? Kala  ni  [talk] 02:59, 17 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Death - [[Image:Symbol_opinion_vote.svg|40px]]
 * The dead character shot is a bit too informal for the article, and it'd be nice to get a shot of a dead character in a better environment, for example around Lith or Heneseys, both of which have nice high-contrast backgrounds. Also wear a hat when you die so it's clear that stays on. And say something better, perhaps addressing the reader of the article. --Froth 04:25, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
 * We still need an image of this, anyone care to take the time and screenshot this? (you can use a mule or create a new character) Kala  ni  [talk] 02:59, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
 * What would you like the char to be saying? -- Prod-You 04:13, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't know exactly. As it was said, something that addresses the reader. Perhaps "This is death" or something? I'm not strong in creative writing. Kala  ni  [talk] 05:17, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I have this one. --The Y mode 05:04, 26 May 2006 (UTC) [[Image:MSdying.jpg]]
 * It may be just me, but I see no image. When I visit the page Image:MSdying.jpg, there's no image. Is it just me? Kala  ni  [talk] 05:13, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Do you have any kind of AD blocking in your browser? (Firefox, Maxthon, external programs, etc.). the direct URL for the image is http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/ad/MSdying.jpg as you can see it has "ad" in it and most AD Blocking plugins block it by default... The solution is putting the wikipedia site entirely under the Exeptions list of the AD blocking plugin/program (thats what i did as my browser's AD blocker too blocked that image). of course thats not a prefered solution and wikipedia should avoid from using "ad" in there links in the future. do you know who/where should I adress that issue? --The Y mode 06:15, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Apparently its a known isuee. (see here). --The Y mode 07:42, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
 * That picture is reminiscent of the other one that was taken down; both pictures put the humor value of the picture over its referential value. I would personally prefer if the thought bubble said something to the effect of "This is what it looks like when you die in the game".  Do not get me wrong--I appreciate the upload, but there is always room for improvement with these images. Slof 05:14, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
 * How about something simple like 'I am dead!' -- Prod-You 05:40, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
 * As Westley always say to Buttercup (in the movie The Princess Bride) - "As You Wish" XD --The Y mode 07:21, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Perhaps, in an informative tone, "I should have used a potion", or, wearing a frown, "Now I've lost experience". Or simply, "I should have watched my health". As for the current picture, the I find the effects around the Lucida very distracting/unnatractive.   67.180.248.197 03:29, 30 May 2006 (UTC)


 * MapleStory Logo - [[Image:Symbol_keep_vote.svg|40px]]
 * Needs slight trimming
 * This task still needs to be completed. Would anyone be willing to trim the edges of the logo in the main article? This can be done simply by using Paint, Photoshop, PSP, etc. and simply cutting out the logo with as little white space around it as possible, pasting it into a new canvas, saving it, and reuploading it under a different name. I would do it, but I'm on dialup and don't know how long it would take to reupload the trimmed image. Kala  ni  [talk] 02:55, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Done. --The Y mode 04:24, 26 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Added pretty icons - [[Image:Symbol_neutral_vote.svg|40px]]
 * I've added some icons that informs readers of the status of the image requests - a checkmark means that the request has been fulfilled, a X means that the request still needs to be fulfilled. The equals sign for this post means that this is not a request. Why did I add these, you may ask? It looks pretty and saves time (otherwise, you'd have to read the whole discussion on the request in order to learn the status). Kala  ni  [talk] 08:04, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
 * The new yellow exclamation point icon means that the request, whether fulfilled or still needed, is being debated over and/or is being challenged by someone. Kala  ni  [talk] 05:39, 29 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Guilds and Minigames
 * Those could both use pictures. The Captain Returns 23:47, 4 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Events
 * We need to replace that image in the events section and replace it with one of an actual event in question. An image of what it looks like prior to an event adds virtuall nothing to the section besides a little scenery. If we're going to have only referential images in the article, then the current event image needs to be amended. I didn't bring this up until now, because, well, I'm lazy. Slof 17:40, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Failed GA
Eugh. There are a lot of reasons this article fails miserably: Hope that helps a bit. This article still has a long way to go for GA, though. You might solicit the Computer and Videogames Project if you need more comments or suggestions. Nifboy 02:15, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
 * No sense of organization in the article. The main part of the article jumps directly into the South Korean version, without any explanation of what servers or worlds are (I'm guessing they're the same thing, but it's not very obvious: It looks like cMS and kMS have more content than the others).
 * Images: Images need fair use rationale. You have entirely too many of them (22 world icons?!? 38 total?!?) to be considered "fair use".
 * Gameplay: Absolutely no discussion of how the game actually, you know, plays. As in, how is battle conducted? What basic actions do players have access to? How is the game field split up?
 * Cruft: There is entirely too much discussion to, for example, how character advancement works. The facts that you get 25 points at creation, with minimums of 4 and maximums of 13, have no relevance to anyone who simply wants to learn about the game, rather than play it; A rule of thumb at WP:CVG is, if it only helps players, it's generally unsuitable. Most sections are entirely too long as a result of filling them with strategy-guide-esque info (Wikipedia is not a strategy guide).
 * Blatantly false statements: Emotes are not unique to Maple Story. It's barely unique to Nexon games (old Nexus TK player here).
 * Other failed GA criteria: You have absolutely no references. Do some honest-to-goddess research, and find some Reliable sources that talk about the game.
 * i'm sorry this article disgusted you, but we do appreciate the pointers. The "blatantly false statements" section about emotions was put in just to get people to start editing that section so I guess it was a bad time to add that.  -- Prod-You 05:20, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I would also say that this article needs a lot of improvement; there is a lot of information that is useless to people who have never played the game (as Nifboy said, this isn't a strategy guide). At first glance it looks quite detailed and worthy of being a good article, but looking closer it appears to be full of useless 'stuffing' =P  Kala  ni  [talk] 06:06, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Yea, I noticed that as I was reading though it yesterday morning. I haven't actually read this article properly in almost a year, just been looking at diffs :P.  Anyone who has suggestions for this article please put it under the  section so we can keep it organized. -- Prod-You 06:18, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry this article disgusted you, but we do appreciate the pointers. The "blatantly false statements" section about emotions was put in just to get people to start editing that section so I guess it was a bad time to add that.  -- Prod-You 05:20, 4 May 2006 (UTC) Capitalization, my friend. Makes a good first impression. The Captain Returns 03:15, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
 * BTW, what would be considered stuff that a non-player would not need to know? Just curious. The Captain Returns 02:42, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

just ta clear up mhy KMS and CMS have more content than any other version: 1) THEY'VE BEEN AROUND LONGER so 2) THEY HAVE MORE AREAS AND STUFF (ex. china has 4th jobs, whereas Global only has up o 3rd, seeing as it is the newest version(?))BluPenguin 01:44, 17 May 2006 (UTC)BluPenguin

screenies!
by the way... i have some screenshots peeps can use(aka me as dead, attacking, etc. etc) for this article... uh... but i dont kno how to upload thems...so yeah.... a little help BluPenguin 01:47, 17 May 2006 (UTC)BluPenguin
 * To upload images to Wikipedia, use the Special:Upload page. Keep in mind that you must mention the copyright status of any images you upload and ensure that you cite the proper sources while uploading images. Kala  ni  [talk] 02:51, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Servers and Registration
Is there anything more that could be done to this section? It seems somewhat lacking, compared to the other sections.The Captain Returns 01:29, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Added some detail. If there's anymore anyone might want to add, do so. Next, I'm going to cut down on sections 8 & 9. The Captain Returns 03:01, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Guilds
I've added a new section on Guilds in MS with only basic info, Please help by adding/editting. There is a ref there to MSGlobal site with more guild info, alas the site only work with IE...(dont blame me, blame Wizet :-P) --The Y mode 23:41, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
 * As a note, to avoid the IE-only thing, just disable javascript. -- Prod-You 02:30, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
 * It seems appropriate for the article. BTW, I just got back from vacation. :p The Captain Returns 23:19, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Copy Editing

 * Spelling


 * Checked. 11 errors, most commonly the word Defense being spelled as Defence. BTW, avoidability isn't a word, but I left it in there. The Captain Returns 23:35, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Defence is the British-English way of spelling defense =) Kala  ni  [talk] 01:05, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia does allow both spellings, but, according to the rules, you should not change it to the "s" one or the "c" one, regardless of how you believe it should be spelled. What's more, no one should revert it back to the other spelling.  Just know these things in the future.  Plus, "avoidability" is a neologism from MapleStory. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Slof (talk • contribs) 23:26, 4 June 2006
 * Thats why I left it in. :> The Captain Returns 00:57, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Grammar


 * Fixed all punctuation errors. The Captain Returns 23:48, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Usage
 * Tone
 * Style
 * Voice
 * Other


 * Size. I'm currently working on reducing the size of some things. The Captain Returns 01:13, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Version content table
As you know different version got different content, the new patch for GlobalMS just added Omega Sector and we can expect lots of edits about this. How about adding a Version content table like this draft I made to the main article or one of the other related articles or even a new one? what do you think? --The Y mode 09:26, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I have mixed opinions about this. It provides a simple way of allowing readers to know what content is released in what versions. However, I am concerned about where this would be placed. I am also concerned that this is a bit too much to add to the article; a simple sentence or two in each feature's section about the release status in certain versions would be fine, in my opinion. If it is added to the page, I suggest adding it as a Template. In any case, I will update it in case it is accepted.  Kala  ni [talk] 04:44, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
 * It seems a bit more fit for the strategy guide. Whether the commonfolk here accept it or not, you should really post it there.

I've added the templates to the Versions and registration section. Anyone that know please add info about JapanMS, ChinaMS, TaiwanMS and ThailandMS to the template. Heres the Index --The Y mode 15:06, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Removal of other uses
I propose the removal of the other uses, it is very unlikly that anyone looking for Maple or Maple, Wisconsin or any of the other uses of Maple (disambiguation) will spell MapleStory out of all thigs. --The Y  mode 15:45, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

mapleglobal users
now that ranking is back up, go to overall ranking

You can manually type in the rank you want to see. It goes up to about 2.2 million, but after that all the users have the exact same rank (the ranks don't rebuild fast enough to avoid this), so there are probably more like 3 or 3.2 million total, especially since most MMO players quit before gaining too many levels ("this is dumb" "too repetitive" or "i'm so lost, what am i supposed to do?!") and level 8 - the repeated rank cutoff - does take several hours to reach.

Anyway, 1 million is way too conservative, especially because you can get a definite list up to way more than 2 million, and most users have just one character —Preceding unsigned comment added by Froth (talk • contribs) 20:55, 16 June 2006
 * Actually most users have at least one or two mule characters. Anyway these numbers come from the developers themself . If anything these numbers are overestimate as some users have more then one account. --The Y  mode 19:46, 16 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Mules are only used by higher level characters, which comprise a surprisingly small percentage of the maplestory population. --Froth 16:28, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Korea Portal
Alright. The Korea Portal template has been added and removed many times. Let's discuss this issue - should we remove it or leave it as-is?


 * Remove - This is not an articl about the Korean company Wizet, its about an internasional game. --The Y  mode 02:24, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Coke Town
In MapleStory World, there is a supposed place called Coke Town. Can we get a citation for this please? Fr e ddie Message? 01:07, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I couldn’t find anything in the KoreaMS site (maybe because i can read Korean :-P ) but I did found this: http://dtrmp4.com/ms/?p=31 http://henesys.com/?p=31 --The Y  mode 01:32, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Lol, the first one is of Perion. Fr e ddie Message? 16:21, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
 * That might be how you're able to enter Coke Town, although I would not know. Slof 01:06, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Game Issues - Citation Needed!
"Thus, the use of third party programs is forbidden, and users who take advantage of them are usually banned from the game and need to pay 2x of his lvl." Do you actually have to pay some cash as a fine for being caught hacking MapleStory? --205.237.151.108 21:27, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
 * When was this added? Removed this nonsense, thanks for the notice. --The Y  mode 22:34, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

This is true, you have to pay in the MapleSEA version. [source] 69.214.221.232 06:38, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
 * LOL! omg this is so funny, they stop at nothing to get more revenue. When I read it, it sounded so ridiculous that I was sure it was just nonsense. Well you pay only if you want your account back, but as they remove all inventory items and mesos from the account I find it hard to believe that any hacker will pay them. I personally think hackers should be banned, period, no 2nd chances. --The Y  mode 16:21, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

---In the global version, if you're caught botting and you're below level 20, you may receive a week-long ban from the game as a first offense. You'll become permanently banned if you're level 20 or above. As the Maple Global site says, there's nothing about having to pay to get your account back if you've been found hacking and permanently banned. When you're gone, you're gone! --205.237.151.108 19:20, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Version Content

 * Is it really necessary to make so many tabs for the smallest of updates?
 * When put through Babelfish, the name of the new continent is returned as "Leaf ley", possibly leading to the current translation of the area. However, when each individual character is translated for sound, the result is more akin to LiPuLe. Verily, the Japanese translate it similarly as "リプレ". This would indicate more of a unique name for the continent: perhaps "Ripley"?
 * Why is there a seperate tab for French MapleStory? The current EuroMS setup seems to indicate that only the English text will be available at first, with French and other languages to be added in the future. Perhaps this is all speculation at this point. Still, the obscurity of the available knowledge as well as the current Beta progress of EuroMS seems to suggest that neither of these MapleStories should receive a tab.

By viewing the updates for European MS, I was able to see that it has 5 langauages that are switchable. Perhaps it is mostly translated already, but it's a user option. For example, if you selected French it'll be french when you play. Might cause lots of confusion in game, but I am assuming this is how it's going to be.68.75.38.185 07:09, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

MapleStory France
I don't really believe it's true. I think MapleStory France is part of MapleStory Europe because on the website they seperate languages by channels. The reference in the article might mean that they're working on adding the French version in the Client or the Servers.

MapleStory version 0.26 details
While Aqua Road and Whale Island are additions in this patch, it may be wise to cover additional details into this patch. Like I'm playing a game, and a message comes up saying "You have played MapleStory for 1 hour(s)". Since when is time tracking needed?? --205.237.151.108 05:07, 27 July 2006 (UTC) ''Note: Because of unforseen bugs in the last patch, MapleGlobal released patch 0.27 early this morning. --205.237.151.108 20:17, 27 July 2006 (UTC)''
 * If this is done, then the patch additions from versions other than MapleGlobal should be added as well. Remember, this article isn't solely about MapleGlobal; it's about MapleStory in general.  Kalani  [talk] 18:41, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Translation of Fairy Tale Village and Leaf Village
As Fairy Tale Village and Leaf Village are currently not available in an English version and have no official English name, if you think they should be translated differently please discuss it here before any change and provide references. The current translation is the most commonly used names and has the most references. --The Y  mode 06:18, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Fairy Tale Village is referred to as Korean Folk Town in the data archives. Meanwhile, evidence regarding Leaf Village is in the 'Versions Content' comment above. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.38.10.53 (talk • contribs) 5:42, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Can you give any reference for Korean Folk Town? What evidence? its just speculations. --The  Y  mode 09:33, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
 * http://sauna.gibbed.us/maps/2/ for Korean Folk Town. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.21.34.205 (talk • contribs) 4:57, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I've changed it in this article and the others. Also saw in that site what once was called "Perion Castle" is called "Sharenian". --The Y  mode 16:54, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Good Article Cleanup
I have made a lot of changes for the article, if you believe any more changes are necessary or if something I made was unnecessary please post here. If you have a large thing you want the community to do, please post it here.

So far, I have erased unsourced, unverifable, and information that is plain wrong. I also added some useful information, and will keep doing so. Please comments are welcomed. 69.214.221.232 06:42, 27 July 2006 (UTC)


 * The Korean name is defiantly necessary! The DS version announcement has reference. STR DOES NOT effect HP(Its verified). Please discuses major changes in here before hand. --The Y  mode 06:55, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
 * The DS version is a completely different version, it should be a sentence, not a paragraph at most. Perhaps part of "versions of maplestory". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.214.221.232 (talk • contribs) 3:46, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Ludibrium
Ludibrium is a main continent. You have to travel on a train to get there, so it should be obvious that it's a continent by itself. 12.217.81.158 23:50, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately for thyself, all Ludibrium maps and quests are located under the "Ossyria" tab. I believe some of the minor lore released by Wizet also suggests that Ludibrium is a part of Ossyria. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.38.10.53 (talk • contribs) 15:55, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
 * This is true, it is part of Ossyria, which is why the player takes a train to travel, rather than travelling via air or sea. --dogbomb 09:02, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Aqua Road
Maple Story's Aqua Road allows a player to experience "fly hack", It is mainly based on sea life. the monsters are all sea based monsters. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 220.237.249.3 (talk • contribs) 21:40 31 July 2006 (UTC)
 * This is true, but what about Aqua Road do you wish for us to discuss?  Kalani  [talk] 23:11, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Fly hack? No, that's "swimming". When you hit the jump button repeatedly when you're in Aqua Road, the jump button becomes the swim button. This is how it worked with Super Mario Bros. --205.237.151.108 19:13, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Add This to "Criticism"! (Section 10)
MapleGlobal, at the moment, is having troubles processing verification emails for users of Hotmail and Yahoo accounts. Suggested subsection title (10.2): Email problems. According to mapleglobal.com, new registrants are being asked NOT to use either a Hotmail, Windows Live Mail or Yahoo email address, and use their ISP's email or GMail. Meanwhile, people who had once signed up using a Hotmail or Yahoo email address are the ones suffering especially following a password change. However, recently I notified Hotmail in my case and they've said "the messages are on the server ... they just haven't been delivered yet." Let's see how this will turn out ... --205.237.151.108 18:39, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

It has supposedly been fixed.

69.214.223.104 03:35, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Help
I want to join maple story and play crusader. Is there anyone here who can teach me?

thanks,

--Aeryka 23:54, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, start by making a beginner with a 4 in INT, and a 4 in LUK, then, follow some guides to starting a proper warrior, and get to level 20. Once you do that, you'll have proven yourself to be worthy of my help. Most of the time, people find getting to level 20 too hard. Level 70 is (literally) exponentially more difficult and time consuming. Also, sometimes people just don't enjoy the classes that they thought they would like.

If you do happen to get to level 20, I'm on Scania, currently playing a character called Messiah. Best of luck to you. The Captain Returns 23:43, 21 August 2006 (UTC)