Talk:MapleStory/Archive 9

Editing
Anyone editing the main article should read the WikiProject Computer and Video Games page so that the article remains conformed to the project's guidelines.

Anyone who wants to work on character or game guides should go to the StrategyWiki section on MapleStory which is located here.

Only notable fansites and guides should be added to the external links section in the main article. Small or new forums and guild websites do not belong there. Wikipedia is not a place to advertise, and adding too many links will clutter the article.

Information on pricing items does not belong here as it is too volatile and is not encyclopedic. If you want to price items, refer instead to Sleepywood, Hidden-Street and BasilMarket.

The game is called MapleStory, with no space (not Maple Story) so please keep everything under that name.

-- Prod-Me 03:15, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

Perhaps Adding This Fan Site
Hey guys,

Rather than doing Maple Radio, how about posting Perion Corner, as they are the replacement site for Orbis Outlet, and endorsed by many other sites.. Their alexa rating is somewhere around 320,000 and if you look up orbis outlet on aboutus.org.. they'll redirect you to perion corner. They may not contain information, but they're an image database and I recall orbis outlet being listed.. so how about that?

Thanks


 * First, please sign your name by typing ~ . Second, this site is not notable at all. Third, wikipedia is not a directory and fan sites shouldn't be placed unless it's well-known to the community. It should never be used as an advertising site. So my decision is oppose.  OhanaUnited   04:50, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Well, I can see it is garnering progressive popularity on Global MS, as I have heard about talks of it regularly within the game. I say neutral, only because I am unsure if it's gotten enough attention to be included. Zanibas 04:52, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

My decision is oppose, reasons similar to OhanaUnited's opinion. pirkid 16:07, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Private Server
With the release of a private server, OdinMS, should we include this in the article? There has also been some concern to the legality of such a server. If you don't already know, the site for the server is here.--Depottey (talk) 23:02, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Try WP:LINKS. Generally, fansites and the like don't warrant mention.
 * The mere fact that at least one private server should be slipped in somewhere in the article (perhaps under the list of servers), but please no names and certainly no links. Ryuugaki (talk) 06:30, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Nope, no need to slip this info in unless private server is prevalent in the whole game's community (such as Ragnarok Online) OhanaUnitedTalk page 15:31, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Maple Controversy
I believe that the link concerning "Maple Controversey" within the introduction is not anywhere close to developed to be linked to the main Maple article. It's mainly biased and one-sided. However, with improvement and the introduction of ACTUAL controversies, it could be worthy of readdition. Zanibas 04:48, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
 * There are no "actual" controversies. That's just dreamed up by the creator of that article. I think it should be immediately and summarily deleted. If MapleStory Worlds didn't deserve its own page, neither does that by far. --IsaacGS 14:47, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
 * MapleStory Worlds Page existed few monthes ago, but an administrator deleted it and it has been moved to StrategyWiki. - Wkkim9292 02:11, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Flaming will not be tolerated. -- Prod-You 02:22, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

A warning
Recently, I have been hit by a person that continuoulsy mass vandalizes my wiki (maplewiki). I read his website, some anti-maplestory website and apparently, he wants MapleStory to be destroyed and is aiming wikipedia to make sure maplestory is not promoted. He may attempt to add things, I see he added "controversey", so please be on the look out. amosh Mapletip 14:15, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the warning, as you can see he's already been here and I've set strategywiki on alert as well. Haven't seen anymore trouble from him since, but I'm not sure that means he's gone. --IsaacGS 19:25, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the warning, but these guys must love MapleStory enough to be defined by what they appear to dislike :P -- Prod-You 00:15, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
 * That guy is called Anti-Maplestory. Keep an eye on him. The so-called controversy page has been speedily deleted (I think).  OhanaUnited    Talk page   05:08, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi, I would just like to make a few comments. First, Prod-You, I have no idea what you mean by "these guys must love MapleStory enough to be defined by what they appear to dislike :P". Also, I have ended my break and now I am back on Anti-Maplestory track. You guys MUST NOT understand how bad Maplestory is. You just don't get it. Anti-Maplestory 22:00, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
 * You are defining your actions based on the game. If you do not like the game, simply do not play. Your other option is to make something better.  -- Prod-You 23:42, 20 June 2007 (UTC)


 * No one is pointing a gun to your head forcing you to play. Please respect Civility.  OhanaUnited    Talk page   12:19, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

What is your reason on vandalizing a page? Just so you can demote a game you do not enjoy, I really don't see the point. Also it goes against the code of conduct, this is suppose to inform not to be a biased on the game. Soon people will think, hey people can vandalize Maple Story so I am going to Vandalize RuneScape because its Java and has bad graphics -WoW too much hype -The Airbender what a stupid show is this I am going to mess with all the information, Aang age 41. This show is interesting show but you will lose interest very fast so DO NOT WATCH IT! -Then the anime haters are going to come out, and put on the main information of Anime, "word used describe what 25 year old fat lard who sits in his moms basemnent watching cartoon all day.(yes I am aware I spelled basement wrong) all your doing is causing a chain reaction. Thank you -Sincerely Angel of Theft 67.81.148.142 05:23, 14 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I think User:Anti-Maplestory didn't know what Wikipedia is for. Someone should show him WP:WWIN. -- Jack Lau  09:53, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Fansites
While going through cleanup on fansites, some individuals are in conflict of interst position and reverted my edits. I can tell you that I remove many links based NOT on popularity in the community, but its ranking on Alexa because wikipedia targets general audience and not on the gaming community itself.

Rankings from Alexa
 * Hidden Street 1863
 * Maple Tip 14,406
 * Basil Market 2950
 * Happy Mapling 175,891

Just a question, as of recent, PerionCorner.com has been listed on "aboutus.org" as the replacement for Orbis Outlet which I do believe was on the maple story fan site link part. Here's the url as to how i found out: http://www.aboutus.org/OrbisOutlet.com

When you search Orbis Outlet, it takes you to a site called PerionCorner.com and.. their official forums are held within sleepywood. Possible chance of listing PerionCorner.com on the front maple story article? (refers to the re-direct from aboutus.org) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)

Unless there's a really good reason, or Alexa ranking changed dramatically, Hidden Street and Basil Market will be on the english fansite list. Please don't add more to the list just to advertise your site. OhanaUnited   Talk page   08:12, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

I agree. I don't know about Maple Tip, but I think Happy Mapling should be removed. It is old, unreliable with information, and I am not even sure if it updated anymore. HawkXZ 18:40, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Ranking is irrelevant, it's all about informational content. -- Prod-You 16:59, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually it does, and occurs in Talk:RuneScape/Archive 21. To be 100% true, Wikipedia is not a collection of links. Since a lot of data in MapleTip and Happy Mapling are already covered by Hidden Street so ranking takes president here. And to User:Mapletip, Wikipedia is not an advertising service. However, I can give you a recommendation. If you want to increase traffic for your site, you may go to strategywiki if their rules allow you to do so.  OhanaUnited    Talk page   18:41, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
 * We keep hidden street not because it's more popular, but because it has more information. As you stated, it contains the info that MapleTip and Happy Mapling contain (though I'm not sure if they contain some info that HS doesn't).  I started reading that Runescape discussion, and ranking is only mentioned once, seemingly having nothing to do with the rest of the discussion.  That is also not official policy (unless you can show me otherwise).  The policy I remember reading (it has been a while :/) has more to do with starting new pages, rather than linking.
 * In summary, we are going purely by informational content/reliability. If a new website that has more info shows up, we will link to them regardless of their ranking.  However, if they are rarely updated/site is mostly down, we will remove the link.  -- Prod-You 19:11, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Happy Mapling can be taken out because on their website, their "latest" news posted on the homepage is November 4. Should we remove the links not in english?  OhanaUnited    Talk page   17:22, 24 June 2007 (UTC)


 * If you want to add a site that gives info, keep Mapletip/MapleWiki up there. They both give info, as well as guides. ~Don't Wanna Sign~


 * We're not adding sites, we're removing the ones that arent updating or having low Alexa ranking. Next time please login.  OhanaUnited    Talk page   17:50, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Window Vista
Does anyone know if this game supports Window Vista? OhanaUnited   Talk page   18:22, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Only in compatibility mode for GlobalMS. I believe it differs by region, I know that MapleSEA spent a significant amount of effort trying to update.--IsaacGS 04:31, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

It can, but it might blue screen you from time to time. And it'll screw up your validation if you priated Vista. 24.136.88.151 23:27, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

It works fine. Mapletip 04:12, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Windows Vista should be removed from the platforms list as it is not (yet) officially supported!! 123.243.55.140 00:08, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Criticism
I recall some kind of criticism a while ago, and I think it needs to be fitted back on to the article, Grinding and Cheating are very common, but MapleStory has some huge, gaping flaws that to this day have not been addressed. I'm not going to sputter on and on, but Warrior accuracy is perpetually broken for example, it has been since I participated in the Beta, and it has never been addressed. I think the game should have a criticism section for many of the(three years plus) flaws in the game.Revrant 01:44, 15 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure if the warrior's accuracy is broken, it's meant to be like that. Theifs need DEX to wear equips, mages need LUK, warriors need DEX to get accuracy. However, there are some flaws in the game that I thing should be addressed, Maple does have excessive grinding and hacking has been a major problem and is only just being dealt with in gMS. Minpolik 03:09, 19 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Already mentioned in critical reception section.  OhanaUnited    Talk page   13:55, 19 August 2007 (UTC)


 * How about addressing me Ohana? Obviously this person is oblivious to that, and yes it is, Warriors are not meant to be so useless and unable to do quests, you mean to say that other classes being fully capable of hitting certain monsters up to thirty levels before us is meant to be? I think not, it's an obvious flaw you can prove by comparison, and I think it deserves a place in the article.

As for the hacking and grinding, Lord, try reading the article, they're both included. Revrant 02:47, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

"Fox 11 in its usually biased" etc? kinda flaming isnt it? Bad laguage and not very professional. please deletle "in its usually biased" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.164.96.106 (talk) 16:14, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Towns table
I was just wonder ing. Remember the chart that had a list of maple areas and towns [eg] Riprey and such. with the checks for the types of maplestorys that have it. How come that was taken down? Could someone put it back up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.85.188.79 (talk) 18:13, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * This has been moved to MapleStory/Patches. -- Prod-You 00:17, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * We still have one, Template:MapleStory Versions content, but it's not linked by any mainspace page and not as good looking as the one in StrategyWiki. It's kept there just as a reference.  OhanaUnited    Talk page   05:22, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * And I think it's time to delete it. -- Prod-You 16:09, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Source for statement?
I'm trying to track down a verifiable source for a statement in Yotsuba Koiwai, that in MapleStory "Yotsuba's hairstyle can be obtained in a salon located in a town called Zipangu." Can anyone assist with a pointer? Thanks. —Quasirandom 19:33, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I believe it might be referring to this style, though I'm not sure because I haven't heard of that character.--IsaacGS 19:15, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I added the link to hidden street about this hairstyle in Maple to the Yotsuba article. OhanaUnitedTalk page 22:01, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Maple Story on Mac?
Does anyone know if Maple story works on Mac? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.84.12.248 (talk) 20:23, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

I don't think so, because in the "system requirements" part of the site, it says you need Windows, but maybe it works anyway. On another note, remember that this page is for discussion of the article speciffically, not the article's subject. --The F50 Man 17:45, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

This thing resembles a game guide
I shall be deleting and moving a mass of information from this article shortly. I shall be editing with respect to WP:NOT, WP:NOT, and WP:CVG/GL. There's too much info here that doesn't belong. Here's some specifics on what I'll be doing. That should cover all of it I think. Ong elvin 02:29, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Character progression - that chart doesn't belong there. Neither does the mention of levels; what does belong is stating the four general classes you can progress to, and a rough description of each.
 * Dying - this section simply doesn't belong.
 * Abilities - picture is not necessary. Likewise, Skills and Guilds could do with some shortening.
 * Monsters - shorten it by around 33%, then consolidate it under Gameplay.
 * Quests - again, shorten this section and consolidate it under Gameplay.
 * World - shorten this section a bit, but it's fine as a section of its own.
 * Items - shorten this section by maybe 50% and consolidate it under Gameplay. But really this section has no place in this Wiki; there's quite a bit explaining how the features work, what times they're available, etc.
 * Oh, and I should add that if you don't like the sound of what I'm going to do, I'd suggest moving the relevant parts into the relevant gaming wiki. Ong elvin 02:31, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
 * We have gone through this discussion before and many sections were removed. I suggest we should leave it as it is. OhanaUnitedTalk page 12:57, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

I will be deleting that information. Information may be true, but that doesn't mean it's encyclopaedic. If you read the scope guidelines that I linked above, you'll notice that if information is only relevant to those playing the game, it doesn't belong in Wikipedia. Those estimates of the changes I'll be making are a conservative estimate of what doesn't belong in this article. When a character's hit points reach zero, the character dies. This is depicted by a tombstone falling from the top of the screen, and the character transmuting into a floating, ghost-like body. The character is incapable of moving, but they retain the ability to speak and use facial expressions. Text like that, for example. The first sentence is obvious, and has no place in any gaming article. The second is unnecessary because it's the minutiae of death, which has no relevance on gameplay. It's a purely aesthetic thing. The third sentence is irrelevant as well, partly because of the fact you don't want to stay dead, but also because it too has no relevance on gameplay. The mention of the safety charm later in that subsection is guide material, including the sentences that follow until the end of that subsection. The only text that really belongs in a Death subsection: "Death will normally cost a character a percentage of EXP, depending on how much luck they have, but the EXP percentage cannot fall below zero percent. The beginner class players cannot lose EXP. After dying, the character revives at the nearest town." So yeah, that's like 60% bloat in that subsection. Ong elvin 15:29, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Right, I'm gonna start on those edits I've pointed out now. ^_^ Ong elvin 00:26, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Okay, first up, Gameplay. Greatly shortened Character Progression and removed the table. Level limits didn't belong. Dying as I originally said simply doesn't belong to the game either, especially since MapleStory's treatment of death is nothing out of the ordinary with respect to the genre. Abilities section I killed; again, nothing out of the ordinary in the MMORPG genre. The only thing really relevant in the Skills subsection was that some skills require unlocking, and that's by class change and levelling, so again, not overly relevant. Guilds, explaining its purpose is cool, but explaining the heirarchy and how to create one, and the benefits of being in one (ie, guild quest) are within the scope of a gaming wiki. Ong elvin 00:43, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Next up... World! Removed all the minutiae regarding travel. That's about it really. Ong elvin 00:52, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Monsters now. Removed the image as it does not contribute to understanding of the game. If you're playing an RPG, monsters are a given. Why do you need a picture to understand what a monster is? (Alternatively, one can look up Monster in the dictionary.) Information regarding experience and items is standard fare for MMORPGs. Nothing special to warrant mentioning it specifically. Boss mentions are pretty obvious too, since they're not unique to MapleStory either. In the end, I killed this section altogether. But hey, you have all this information on the gaming wiki already, right? Ong elvin 01:01, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
 * While editing Quests, I realised that information regarding levelling (the paragraph that mentions the level 200 limit) doesn't showcase anything unique to MapleStory. Anyway, the Quests edits. We know what a Quest is, you don't have to be a gamer to realise what it is. Ever heard of the Middle Ages? Yeah, I removed the explanation of what a Quest is. Party Quests are just a Quest with a limitation on player count, but otherwise nothing special about them. Jump Quests doesn't need it's own subsection, I shortened and put it under Quests as a separate paragraph. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ong elvin (talk • contribs) 01:11, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Blech, I have a habit of forgetting to sign off. :/ Well, I'm done with the edits for now. I'll make the rest of the edits I outlined at a later time. Ong elvin 01:26, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

I think your edits are unilateral, even though it may be constructive. When you post a notice telling us that you will remove contents, barely a day has passed before you act upon it. You really should wait for response instead of acting hastely on your edits. OhanaUnitedTalk page 01:36, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
 * About 36 hours, actually. :P And yeah, I'd say sorta unilateral since I haven't actually finished. For articles with obvious game guide information I normally edit first then explain on the talk page. I only forewarn for larger articles likely to have several people watching, and then if the material in question is clearly beyond scope, I give it around 24 hours. If the information itself had been fine but just longer and more detailed than necessary, then I'd've given it around 72 hours. Anyway... I do have a few more edits coming soonish. Look for changes to Items and Unique Features in the near future, although probably not too many to the latter. Ong elvin 02:15, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, I would also appreciate a more specific explanation of what you meant by "unilateral." Ong elvin 02:19, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I'll tell you. If you were really enforcing "The True Wiki Way®" then you'd wait for consensus to develop, instead of making all the changes yourself. But of course you're not, you're wielding wiki guidlines like a true deletionist to have the satisfaction of getting your own way over the objections of the many. Well I have some news for you mister (and other deletionists), the many are what MAKE those rules you throw around. Meh. I don't care as long as curseeye.PNG survives!!! :( :( --⁪frotht 03:44, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
 * WP:BOLD So if I make a change here or there before informing, and people agree that it is acceptable, that could also be considered consensus. Furthermore, "deletionist?" I go for the throat of anything that doesn't look like it belongs in Wikipedia. That's part of the goal of Wikipedia - to not include things that don't belong. Reverts are easy to make. Also, there is one problem with your proposed process, and it often plagues gaming articles of this quality and style. Namely, that everyone will disagree with the correct decision. What I do is to make the change first, with a bit of forewarning for larger ones. This lets people see what I mean, and lets them see that the change is good or at least acceptable. The regular editors, often having allowed the article to become so big to begin with, are clearly stumped as to how to be concise. Oh, did I mention that Wikipedia is not a Democracy? I may be "violating" WP:NOT by some counts, but I keep to the spirit of whatever policies and guidelines I incite in my rationale. Most often not to go into minutiae, most notably as perceived by WP:NOT. Ong elvin 04:05, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Hmm... I agree, a thumbnail of the normal screen is horrible, but that thumbnail of the monsters hardly contributes to understanding how the game is played. But at least it's in a nice spot. :P Ong elvin 04:10, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Part 2
Okay... looking through Items and Unique gameplay features now. Before looking at it, I'm just going to say that I'll probably kill off information about items which is generic across the genre while leaving just enough to explain their purpose (ie, buff the character). And Unique gameplay features is suitable as a section of its own, but I think the name of the section needs to change; I'm thinking to Unique Features or Game Features or MapleStory Features. At the very least, capitalize the section titles. Ong elvin 09:59, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Okay, killed the information regarding the item classes and what they each do. Removed a regional bias. (That would be the mention that USA Target stores sell them.) Removed information on buying items from the cash shop, since that information is not relevant to non-players; plus it's pretty generic info anyway. (CC and PayPal are common terms nowadays.) Trading mesos for cash items info removed under the same rationale. Neither Wikipedia nor any other encyclopaedia, exists to explain ToC to anyone. Pets have no effect on gameplay; I'd remove that sentence, but figured I'd leave it in. Free Market details I demoted to a paragraph rather than a subsection; most of the information is intact, although I would remove some of it once this article gets some more encyclopaedic information. Finally, I renamed this section Economy, and I'll move it to a subsection of Gameplay in a moment. Ong elvin 10:17, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
 * First off, I decided to go with renaming it MapleStory Features. Feel free to disagree with me on this point. :P Removed a bit of info about fame; I left a bit of information of how it works, since I figure it is a unique feature, after all. Removed information regarding the Chinese marriages since the month mentioned says that mode phases out about now for the Amoria system. I also shortened it to one paragraph. Now Events, those are hardly unique to MapleStory. I figure I'll let it slide. I did remove the examples, since the paragraph directly after it gives a non-specific example already. Ong elvin 10:28, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, before I forget, I removed the Rank subsection links since you should be able to find them from the region's homepage; and the region homepages are linked at the bottom. Ong elvin 10:30, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Being bold
I haven't read through all the changes so far however by the huge differences between before and after, I would have appreciated a bit more time. Some of your changes I definately agree with, however others I am still undecided (excluding about half which I haven't seen yet). The easy bold thing to do would be to revert to the last version I felt had lost the least amount of useful information. However, that would get rid of many constructive edits you made after that. When I initially saw your comments I was thinking "Good, someone is going to do some proper cutting that this greatly requires." Then the next day I see that a lot of stuff I believe should still be there is gone. I may bring back some deleted portions (or I may not...) just want to give you a heads up. -- Prod-You 01:25, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

dragon knight
Dragon knght is a thing who like to kill thing that is unproprait and love dragon. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.253.74.50 (talk) 09:09, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Not only was that not understandable, but how is it relevant to improving the article?--Imaginationac (talk) (edits) (email) 00:58, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

I agree with you there. Never in my life have I heard such gibberish. But maybe english isn't his first language..? --The F50 Man 17:46, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Ha Ha....;; Actually, there are a lot of foriegn people editing Wikipedia. (That's why articles like South Korea are so detailed) I'm one of them. This guy's english is still understandable. You should see what people write in Korea :) βriαn Gο XXVIII (talk) 01:00, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

I think there should be more articles created relating to MapleStory.
If you look at Runescape, they have several different pages just about that game. They have one whole article just about combat. Should'nt there be a page about MapleStory combat too? Or a page about the different place?Maplefan 23:44, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
 * The article on Runescape combat shouldn't exist to begin with. It belongs in the StrategyWiki, since it explains how combat and the mechanics work, how to go about combat, etc. It falls outside the scope of Wikipedia. Ong elvin 00:24, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

I think some of RuneScape's pages should be immediately deleted or moved to a different website. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Runescapehater (talk • contribs) 02:19, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Clearly...
Maplefan, how many edits of yours are going to be reverted before you realize that what you are doing to this article is vandalism? Are you going to finally be blocked from editing before this happens. Is there anyway one can request a ban, or does this happen automatically? Legendotphoenix 01:39, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
 * You can request a ban, search up Administrator in the search box and you can leave a message in the vandalism notice board. Mapletip 04:12, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

I have opened a request at WP:ANI about this, since I feel that this should be now stopped because User:Maplefan is doing more harm than good. If anyone of you wants to comment, please do so. Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents ~Iceshark7 18:37, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Maplefan - blocked! I'm keeping a very keen eye on this article in case of further vandalism. Legendotphoenix 21:18, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Character classes
Recently, the class titles in the article were changed to Warrior, Mage, Thief, and Bowman - this is not correct, and the titles in the game itself are Swordman, Magician, Bowman, and Rogue. Please leave it that way. Anonymous~Source 01:50, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Probably done by Ong elvin. He was deleting and modifying a lot of contents without gaining consensus and simply went ahead regardless. <b style="color:#0000FF;">OhanaUnited</b><b style="color:green;">Talk page</b> 04:17, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Nope, not me. I know enough about MapleStory to know the four base classes. Although I wouldn't revert such a change to Swordsman and Magician since they're more generic, and those are the more common titles for those classes. (Bowman to Archer I'd not touch either.) Ong elvin 12:59, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

They're STILL doing it. Every time I come back here, someone is changing the name to "warrior". What are my options to keep this from happening? Anonymous~Source 01:49, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Go report thier IP/username on the Admin noticeboard? Ong elvin (talk) 14:29, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
 * According to the Nexon website itself, the classes are, in fact, Warrior, Magician, Bowman, and Thief. (http://maplestory.nexon.net/WZ.ASPX?PART=/Guide/GameLibrary/Character/Main) Those are the general names for the classes -- Rogue and Swordsman are in-game variations for the first job advancement titles. I believe even the Job Advancement NPCs themselves say Thief and Warrior, though I'm not sure about that. Jeff.subtle (talk) 20:37, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

logo
anyone else think the logo looks more like a pot leaf than a maple leaf?Д narchistPig 02:55, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Is this relevant to the article? Anonymous~Source 05:03, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Nope, but it's funny regardless. xD Ong elvin 00:13, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
 * It's a Japanese maple leaf, look it up --Kalphite 03:14, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that isn't a pot leaf. I have a japanese maple, and that is a maple leaf. Jeez. And on another note, this discussion doesn't belong on Wikipedia in the first place! --The F50 Man 17:49, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

OhanaUnited?
Although I do see MapleFan's edits unconstructive, he is actually deleting uncited information. I have read the changes he made to MapleStory and Runescape. His edits are short, but some of them are correct. OhanaUnited, why do keep changing his edits? I read the runescape article and Maplefan's changes but his edits are more precise.Gavegave30 02:37, 29 September 2007 (UTC)gavegave30
 * If you take a look at Talk:RuneScape and Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents then you will know what's the full story. <b style="color:#0000FF;">OhanaUnited</b><b style="color:green;">Talk page</b> 04:23, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I think the Runescape article is not in a neutral point a view. Someone should fix it.Gavegave30 15:53, 29 September 2007 (UTC)gavegave30

Glitches?
I downloaded Maple Story to try it out, and my computer acted REALLY strangely until I removed it. For instance when I loaded the program and then quit, the screen stayed black and it wouldn't let me access my desktop; I had to restart the computer with the ON/OFF switch. My computer froze at other times as well.

I'm not writing this seeking technical support, I'm only throwing this out there in case it has any interest to anyone editing this article, especially if there have been other people saying this happened to them.Rglong 18:08, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually... It's just a common compatibility problem. Try putting more RAM in your computer. βriαn Gο XXVIII (talk) 01:04, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

There is a new server.
Check the website

Can I ask one question?
How do people know that the statitics did not take into factor that players can have multiple accounts? I'm quite sure that Nexon has the ability to know which accounts came from which IP adresses. So the statistics can quite possibly take into factor that playerscan have multiple accounts. And Nexon knows how many accounts you have made per IP adress. So, please respond. Otherwise, edits will be made. Oh yeah, my browser is working fine now. Tally Ho!Darano 00:04, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Because Nexon just count how many accounts in total the players registered. And as a side note, I suggest you not to edit about this statistics, as a sockpuppet was discovered and banned from Wikipedia for continously disagreeing community consensus and disruptive editing. It's hard to explain, but this statement has reached a consensus and determined to be kept there. <b style="color:#0000FF;">OhanaUnited</b><b style="color:green;">Talk page</b> 02:24, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I think this is Maplefan again. Take a look at 68.97.11.185 (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • WHOIS • RDNS • trace • RBLs • block user • [ block log]), used to 'act' as both Gavegave30 and Darano. The demand for unsourced OR-POV criticism over at RS is a dead giveaway, too. Block requested. CaptainVindaloo t c e 15:16, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Let me make a point.
OK. First of all, I am not a sockpuppet. Captain Vindawhatever, stop accusing people of being sockpuppets. I have seen you delete many people. Second, where is the monster section. Monsters are an important part of MapleStory. This article covers too little. People will not know what this game is. Can anyone make it longer? Tally Ho!Darano 17:29, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
 * You seem to be quite familiar with the term 'sockpuppet". Care to explain? <b style="color:#0000FF;">OhanaUnited</b><b style="color:green;">Talk page</b> 17:34, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Ohana, I strongly disagree with how you're cracking down on this person. Sockpuppeting is not JUST a Wikipedia thing, and anyone who has been on the internet for more than a year knows what a sockpuppet is. Point: Knowledge of what a sockpuppet is does not make someone a sockpuppet. WP: Assume good faith. Anonymous~Source 18:33, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but this speaks for itself.   DEVS EX MACINA  pray 23:06, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
 * So, what does that mean? The Runescape article has nothing to do with the Maple Story article. He has a valid suggestion for the article. Why was he accused of being a sockpuppet for making an article suggestion? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Legendotphoenix (talk • contribs) 14:30, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
 * See 68.97.11.185, used to act as both checkuser-confirmed sockpuppet Gavegave30 and Darano, apparently as a result of forgetting to log in. Bringing up player numbers on here again and demanding unsourced OR-POV criticism over at RS makes it pretty obviously Maplefan. I don't see any need for checkuser this time. To Maplefan: diffs please. I don't habitually delete people, or their posts. CaptainVindaloo t c e 15:26, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
 * My point is I don't see why sockpuppetting should matter at this point in time when Darano is just trying to make a valid suggestion for the article. Wait until some vandalism starts - then we can have some fun with a vandal. ;) Anonymous~Source 01:53, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Hmmm... monsters an important part of MapleStory, you say? I thought monsters were an important part of every game? Moreover, are the monsters as a subtopic really notable enough to garner a subsection to them? Ong elvin 06:30, 16 October 2007 (UTC
 * RuneScape has a subsection about monsters. In fact, they detailed it so much and they even showed a picture of one. All I am saying is that monsters are a very important part of this game. There are more than 500. Check here See for yourself.Darano 16:52, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Monsters are no more important in MapleStory than in any other game. Citing that RuneScape has a subsection about monsters works in one of two ways. The first way implies that because RuneScape has it, MapleStory should have it. The second way implies that because no other article has it or should have it, RuneScape should lose the monsters subsection. Ong elvin 14:56, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Card Game
Should we add a comment about the upcoming card game, or wait until there's more information other than "there will be one?" -- NatsukiGirl \talk 07:36, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Wait until it's out. Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. <b style="color:#0000FF;">OhanaUnited</b><b style="color:green;">Talk page</b> 13:49, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I think there's enough to at least start the section. Wizards of the Coast has started a page for it here and it describes how it will be played and where they will be sold.--IsaacGS 02:17, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok, let's add that in. <b style="color:#0000FF;">OhanaUnited</b><b style="color:green;">Talk page</b> 02:28, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

72 million players.
Type intro.nexon.net in the URL box. There are now 72 million players. And for all of you who thinks this is an unreliable source, it was created by Nexon to introduce MapleStory to new players. Tally Ho!Darano 17:52, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
 * There is a difference between registered users and actual users. For all that matters, those 72 million "players" could be the one person with 72 million accounts. That's the reason you never take those statistics at face value. The developer will go with the registered users figure to make their game sound more popular than it really is. Also, doesn't World of Warcraft only have 6 million users? Ong elvin 14:52, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
 * It's my understanding that each user can have 3 players per e-mail address. Additional e-mail addresses are used for mules (gear packers).  72 million players / 3 actual user per players = 24 million actual users? Imlookingnow (talk) 22:00, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
 * They do not measure characters or even accounts but unique players through an undisclosed server-side method. For example, the measure of players in GlobalMS is not a measure of accounts, but of literal individuals. --IsaacGS (talk) 04:30, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * The actual links talk of subscribers. I think we should replace the word player with subscriber accounts - thus removing the problem. If we find reliable sources which update the figures and show that the figure is a long term one (as opposed to a sudden surge based on holiday periods, then the number should change (am changing word now). Philipwhiuk 15:07, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
 * But how do you know if they only counted single accounts as players? Did they ever state that "we could all accounts!"? There could be a possibility that they only count single users, and their multiple account. Because the statement saying "therefore, the amount of players are actually less" is simply speculation, I have changed it to "therefore, the amount of players could actually be less". Unless you cite your statement, your statement saying that the amount of players is indeed less will not be true, thus will not hold any place here on this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thegoldbar (talk • contribs) 17:44, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Abusive user
An abusive user, Darano has been reported to Admin noticeboard. Please comment if you wish to add information to that section. <b style="color:#0000FF;">OhanaUnited</b><b style="color:green;">Talk page</b> 14:01, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Darano and an IP has been blocked thanks to CaptainVindaloo <b style="color:#0000FF;">OhanaUnited</b><b style="color:green;">Talk page</b> 16:32, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

PQs
I think there should be alot about party quests —Preceding unsigned comment added by Speedy8987 (talk • contribs) 21:09, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Why for? Party Quests aren't unique to Maple Story. Ong elvin 00:51, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
 * But it's not in every game. I don't think it needs a full paragraph, but a mention of the most notable game features should be there. -- 159.18.53.4 16:33, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, there should be something about party quests, but definetely not a lot. Perhaps a few sentances would be appropriate. What needs to be mentioned is that they are EXTREMELY hard to get into, since only one group can participate at a time. Ugh. But anyway, I'll let an experienced wikipedian add a little something in the right place.
 * Oops, didn't sign. --The F50 Man 18:55, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

MS (disambiguation)
MapleStory has been placed on MS (disambiguation), however there are no references/citations in this corresponding article that specifically address the fact. Please help improve this articles references and source so we may place "MapleStory, a Massively Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game with a 2D environment and customizable animated characters" back into the disambiguation page. Thank you! --CyclePat 05:19, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

"They" assume
Someone should consider deleting "The statistics did not consider that players can have multiple accounts. They assume that each player only has one account. Therefore, actual number of players are less than the announced statistics." statement simply because of the fact that this is not cited anywhere, and is simply speculation. Who in this statement is "They"? Where is the proof? It is quite true that the game companies may not be considering the fact that users may have more than one account, yet there is no proof backing this statement and is merely a speculation.

Anyway, because this statement is not legitimate, I hope one of the editors has the sense to take this out. I am sure other wiki-editors will understand my logic.


 * Grrr, Maplefan again... <b style="color:#0000FF;">OhanaUnited</b><b style="color:green;">Talk page</b> 14:49, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Hmm... I thought so too. :P Ong elvin 00:23, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Simply because I am trying to make a point doesnt mean I am a sock-puppet of Maplefan. The statement that "they assume" obviously is not cited and should be looked at. If there is no proof, there is no point in posting it on this article (or any article for that matter)

Target Audience
Who is this game marketed to (age range)? I've been asked to play, but I'm concerned it's just Cabbage Patch Kids gone wild, and really for the younger crowd. I didn't see any ratings, but apparently read Koreans don't tolerate the gay marriage thing. I also didn't see enough suggestive themes to really classify this as dirty anime either. Is it a clean enough game you could let your 6 year old on? Does 'free' attract the bad crowd? Target audience and ratings are something that should go into the main page. Imlookingnow (talk) 22:00, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
 * The largest age range of the players is 13-18, and then the second largest demographic is 18-24. Legally, you need to be at least 13 to sign up for an account, and it needs parental permission below 18 (due to the fact that it is an online game.) so there are no measurements of lower age groups, however there are definitely users younger than 13 playing. The worst content in the game is probably the "Super Megaphones", which are messengers everyone in the world can view and are almost always abused by people who curse excessively, or use lots of innuendo (or even more direct than that.) Inherently the game is safe for any age though.--IsaacGS (talk) 04:36, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes unfortunately same sex marriage is not allowed in MapleStory so you probably shouldn't let your impressionable kids play it Nil Einne (talk) 14:10, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Sauna Outdated
Since the sauna is outdated, should we really still include it in the external links? 76.198.147.244 (talk) 13:03, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, actually, half of those fansite links should probably be removed if you read WP:LINKS. Basil Market, as an auction/forum site is covered by #5 and #11. MapleTip fails for the same reasons, although on a related note one should add a link to maplewiki.net. Sauna is outdated as you say. Sleepywood is just a forum according to the description, so for that reason it too should be removed according to #11. Ong elvin 13:32, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree. Only Hidden Street and Sleepywood should be left behind. MapleTip is just a similiar site as Hidden Street and less traffic than Hidden Street, so notability doesn't establish. Basil should be removed immediately. Sauna doesn't establish notability because it only utilizes the data inside the game itself. <b style="color:#0000FF;">OhanaUnited</b><b style="color:green;">Talk page</b> 14:19, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Why should Basil be removed immediately? It's pretty notable, being the only type e-bay type site for items on Maple Story. Anonymous~Source 15:56, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
 * It is listed on WP:LINKS point 14. Basil does not directly related to the subject of the article. <b style="color:#0000FF;">OhanaUnited</b><b style="color:green;">Talk page</b> 19:37, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I just read WP:LINKS and I don't understand how Basil is indirectly related to Maple Story. It's 100% Maple Story - it's even a source of information, along with item trading and selling. Explain to me how Basil is indirectly related to Maple Story? Anonymous~Source 21:01, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
 * It is indirectly related because its main purpose is trading. It does not do any other user interaction other than connecting buyers and sellers. How does MapleStory item trading and selling affects Wikipedia? Remember, Wikipedia is readable by everyone in the world. A casual Wikipedia user don't need to know which sites they can sell their items from the game. It's forum's job to do that, not Wikipedia. <b style="color:#0000FF;">OhanaUnited</b><b style="color:green;">Talk page</b> 03:23, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Basil's sole purpose isn't just to buy, sell, and trade items. It's a huge source of information, in fact, I would head there before I would go to Hidden-Street. Basil has information on all versions of Maple Story, not just GMS and MapleSEA. Hidden-Street has a feature that allows you to buy and sell items, though it may not be as extensive and coded as Basil, it doesn't mean it should be taken out of the article. Anonymous~Source 01:54, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
 * For one, Basil is known as a horrendously inaccurate place to gather information in the MapleStory community. In addition to that, I've never seen anything about other versions on there, either. Even the name "Basil MARKET implies its purpose.


 * About Sauna, yes, it is out of date. Though, for that matter, Hidden Street is also way out of date. Particularly recently, the updates have become increasingly sporadic and rarer as time went on. MapleTip is much more up to date.--IsaacGS 18:08, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

What do you mean it's an inaccurate place to gather information? If you want to take it out of the article for THAT reason, I want to see a source or something to prove that point because I've never had a problem with its information. Anonymous~Source 21:04, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
 * It's a general reputation that the site has. what do you expect, some detailed analysis from CNN or something? None of the serious game researchers bother posting their information there, when Nexon employees were sent amongst the community, Basil was not one of the places they chose to visit. Almost all of the bad rumors that get started can be traced back to Basil, and the only actual relevant, factual piece of information that has surfaced from there was an official discussion between a fan and an employee at a game conference, which was so universally rejected as "fake" that it took that employee to come and state it in public on the Nexon forums that it actually happened. Face it, they have a bad reputation, despite the popularity.--IsaacGS (talk) 23:17, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Isaac, I think the word you're looking for is "infamy" or "notoriety." ;) Ong elvin (talk) 02:04, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
 * The Wiki writes about MapleStory (and other games) in a real-world context; as such, non-official, non-wiki external links should be written as such. The links write about MapleStory as a game, with little or no real-world context. (Things like sales figures, critical reception, etc.) Going through the existing CVG Feature Articles reveals that almost all external links seem to follow this philosophy. The guides that they do link to are either officially endorsed pages, or they are Wikis themselves. Which seems coincidental until you realise this is actually spelled out in WP:CVG/GL. The categories under inappropriate links which could apply to the pages in question are fan-based sites, forums, and game guides. Ong elvin (talk) 21:52, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

There's also the fact that while informational, they're still fansites. Wikipedia's aim (as an encyclopaedia) should be to cover topics with a more real-world context, and while I don't object to linking to an actual guide, I also don't think more than one such link is necessary. My thoughts on this is to have just one link to whichever fansite is the most trafficked/informative if no official counterpart exists, and the rest should only be to officially endorsed sites and links which provide a real-world context. Ong elvin 07:31, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Instability
Shouldn't the massive instability issues people have experienced due to the new popup Super Megaphones? Shouldn't it also be noted that between versions this is a Global-Exclusive problem? Just checking, the former might be hard to achieve considering the lack of any singular source on the matter. Revrant 13:22, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
 * While this might be true, I don't find it to be worthy of mentioning in the article. It personally doesn't happen for me, so I wouldn't go as far as to say that it causes server instability. It's most likely just a personal computer thing, that some computers just can't handle that much on the screen at once. I digress - I don't think that information belongs in the article. Anonymous~Source 01:51, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I disagree entirely, running a computer that is far more than necessary for Maple(And everything save Crysis) I can assure you it branches all kinds of computers and was entirely absent before the Global-exclusive launch of screen based Global Megaphones, an issue this widespread definitely deserves mention, however as I said before there just aren't any single, hard sources. Revrant (talk) 18:15, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
 * When I see a piece of information like this in relation to gaming articles, I usually ask myself a few questions. 1) Does it help to establish the topic's notability? 2) Does it give an overall view, without going into detail? (ie, Does it count as minutiae?) 3) Does it have any real-world context? The answer to each of these questions here is no, no and no. Just finding a reliable source does not make it encyclopaedic. Consider say a Prima Game Guide. You could say that's a reliable source, but obviously not encyclopaedic, and none of that info would be put up with in an encyclopaedia. Ong elvin (talk) 00:20, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
 * For that matter where is the reliable source mentioning this supposed problem Nil Einne (talk) 13:59, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, yes, and how is the last at all relevant to a gaming article? This is a problem, I know four people who quit the game after years of playing over it, and many others who begrudgingly remain and put up with it. The issue is this game is virtually unrecognized in American media, and thus no one would report on it. Now if you want to get into arguments of game instability and criticisms not being relevant, I suggest you trot over to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_World_of_Warcraft and repeat your argument, because it makes as much sense here as it does there, unless you're practicing a double standard. The only reason it can't be in the article is because there is no verifiable source, much like problems in other games a member of the gaming or unrelated press would have to recognize it.Revrant (talk) 21:12, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Summary of Fox News report
The summary of the Fox News video: "In an investigation conducted by Fox News, MapleStory is known to be a game where minor players can potentially break into their parent's PayPal or credit card accounts to purchase Nexon Cash for use in the Cash Shop.[23]" is at best misleading and at worst plain wrong. The summary as written implies that MapleStory somehow allows minors to break into their parents accounts. However, what the video says is that some minors broke into their parents PayPal accounts or used their credit cards without permission in order to purchase items. The game itself does not provide any advantage or aid in doing so. Boberdale (talk) 18:31, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Minor Inconsistancies in the Characters Section
At either level eight or ten, depending on the desired class, the player can willingly choose to complete the first job advancement and acquire a new class as "Swordman", "Magician", "Bowman", "Thief", or "Pirate" If we are talking new classes here, it should be listed as "Warrior", "Magician",  "Bowman", "Theif", or "Pirate". There should be no reason to list "Swordsman" as that is the title of the first job of the warrior class. Also, the article states that The "Magician" class is the only class that can be chosen at level eight. but then later counters that statement by saying You need to be level 10 to be a Warrior, Bowman, Thief, Pirate or Magician. The Magician class should be removed from that sentence. 72.8.98.166 (talk) 09:31, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Korean MapleStory has 23 worlds and 3 test worlds.
There is a dated information, but I don't know how to edit this.

Korean MapleStory has 23 server. Harcelo, Culverin, Medere, Judis, Khadia, Elnido, Mardia, Windia, Bellocan, Scania, Khania, Zenith, Croa, Kastia, Yellonde, Bera, Plana, Galicia, Broa, Arkenia, Stius, Demethus, Kalluna

And KMS has 3 test servers. Tespia, Scania, Zenith

If there is someone how to edit this article, please edit it for me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.10.66.70 (talk) 08:01, 18 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Done, thanks for letting us know. <b style="color:#0000FF;">OhanaUnited</b><b style="color:green;">Talk page</b> 08:44, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

NorthAmericaMS???
I believe that, while justified, this is biased and argumentative. I understand the desire of non-American players to point out gMS' use of North America-specific events, but to bring that argument into this article is unnecessary. It is officially geared towards those countries that do not have a version of their own. As soon as someone can find a reliable source saying that NEXON America will be changing the name of this version to NorthAmericaMS, then it should be changed back.Zanothis (talk) 02:28, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

English
Please change English in Global MS to English (US)/English (USA), or something... There are differences between Europe and Global (North America), like Lith Harbour and Lith Harbor... Thailand MS have Semi-English, so why not? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.10.9.188 (talk) 15:36, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Number of Subscribers
71 Million according to this page http://www.wonderlandblog.com/wonderland/2008/04/maplestory-71m.html HappyDragon (talk) 11:12, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Another Version Of MapleStory
There is a Hebrew version of MapleStory here. But is that Middle East or what -confused- Vincent9679 (talk) 00:38, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

That stuff about mules.
Removing the information provided in this article pertaining to mules within the game. They really aren't that important to the article, and it's comparable to stating in any other article about an MMORPG that if a player needs space, he/she can create an extra account to hold his/her in-game items. If you can provide both good reasoning to keep the information and a citation along with it, feel free to add the information back. But as of now, it fails WP:NOR and WP:NOTE. OverSS (talk) 20:56, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Trading system added in gMS
I know that a new trading system was added in gMS, but I don't know the basics behind it, other than that players can sell items to other players for NX. Seems to me like something about it should be put in the article, and it being region-specific should not factor in (as content limited to other versions has already been provided in the article) whether or not to add this information. If you can add it, do it, but only if you can cite it and only if you can assert its notability in some way, but that shouldn't be too difficult. OverSS (talk) 20:52, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

World Maps
The world map in MapleGlobal should be removed, because the places in global are already in the map of KMS. Besides, if global's map is put there, the other versions' map should also be there.

Maple Vietnam
Hi everyone! Hey can anyone add Maple Vietnam on the list of Maplestory Versions. (Please put it as TBA 2008) http://www.sleepywood.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1422203 <- Is the proof of Maple Vietnam 211.28.239.163 (talk) 01:41, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

new server
hihi all...please note that from June,MapleSea will be releasing a new server called Eridanus, in addition to AQUILA,BOOTES,CASSIOPEIA & DELPHINUS.Thank you.Anyway...why is this page under semi-protection?

BrazilMS information
A closed beta has started on BMS, (http://games.levelupgames.uol.com.br/MapleStory/)

And i think that the article considering servers should be updated with at least with the publisher name (level up games) instead of "TBA" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.148.195.203 (talk) 19:39, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Private servers
Since OdinMS released their source code, Maple(at least MapleGlobal's) population decreased alot. Nexon is probably suing them(see http://odinms.de). Should this be mentioned? 151.197.237.159 (talk) 07:11, 21 June 2008 (UTC)Annisina
 * Is there a reliable source available that discusses MapleStory private servers?  Kal  (talk) 07:54, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Prolly somewhere in Basilmarket.com's forums. 141.158.63.245 (talk) 02:46, 22 June 2008 (UTC)Annisina
 * Basil Market (or any forum for that matter) is not a reliable source. Skyezx  (talk) 03:22, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

add Links to Basil Market (www.basilmarket.com), sleepywood.net, maple-radio.com and perioncorner.com?
I don't understand why you added a link to MapleTip which is nearly identical to Hidden-street, yet you removed the link for BasilMarket.com which is an auction site -- a feature that no other Maple Story site has. Please add BasilMarket.com as it's a great resource for pricing Maple Story items with in game currency.

Please reconsider BasilMarket (you stated rules #5, 11 as being issues). The site does not SELL anything physical. It simply allows you to LIST items you want to buy/sell IN GAME. So rule #5 does not apply. Secondly, I see absolutely no blog or personal web page on BasilMarket (rule #11).

Christian seth

I believe we should add links to www.basilmarket.com and maybe sleepywood.net, maple-radio.com and perioncorner.com.

Basilmarket is an online auction site to buy and sell in-game Maple Story items. It also features a forum with videos, screenshots and chat, as well as a price check.

sleepywood.net claims to be the largest MapleStory forum, maple-radio.com allows you to listen to in-game Maple Story music while perioncorner.com has the Maple Story image database. However you have to register to access the database.

Goodday2u (talk) 11:38, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
 * This has been previously discussed. The most recent discussion of fansite inclusion occurred here. However, even though I'm willing to rediscuss the inclusion of BasilMarket and Sleepywood, Maple-Radio and Perion Corner are simply not notable enough to be included in this article. Also, the main purposes of Maple-Radio and Perion Corner are not to provide information about MapleStory that would be relevant to a casual player seeking it; instead, Maple-Radio's purpose is to provide entertainment to players, and Perion Corner's purpose is to provide a searchable image repository. Neither provides any information about gameplay, and thus should not be listed under the section called "Informational fansites". &mdash;Kal (talk) 17:47, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
 * They won't be included in the foreseeable future. And I always considered to remove Mapletip off the list because it's too similar to HiddenStreet. <b style="color:#0000FF;">OhanaUnited</b><b style="color:green;">Talk page</b> 21:25, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Please reconsider BasilMarket (you stated rules #5, 11 as being issues). The site does not SELL anything physical. It simply allows you to LIST items you want to buy/sell IN GAME. So rule #5 does not apply. Secondly, I see absolutely no blog or personal web page on BasilMarket (rule #11).

Thank you —Preceding unsigned comment added by Christian seth (talk • contribs) 17:47, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Anonymous edits
It is my opinion that this article should be semi-protected so that only registered Wikipedia users may edit it. The game's demographic has littered the page with many grammatical and typographical errors that seem to resurface often if fixed, and many unsourced additions are placed on the page based on rumors, myths, and flat-out fallacies. FredrickTech (talk) 00:28, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

I can't edit it
I cannot edit it so I cannot change version ThMS is V.0.56 now and 0.58 in August 14 Thank You Printspike (talk) 03:12, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Hacking?
Although all MMORPGs have been hacked at some time or another. Maplestory on the other hand has had a long history of hacking incidents. Hacking was (and is still ) prevalent throughout the game. Why isn't there any mention of hacking in this article? I would add a section myself, but I do not know wikipedia's policies. Someone please enlighten me.76.27.97.223 (talk) 04:19, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Revenue and game population
The "South East Asia (mostly Singapore and Malaysia) since..." line makes no sense given that Thailand (which has the same number of subscribers) is in SEA. What the source actually says (and which makes far more sense) is simply "Singapore/Malaysia since..." 66.152.166.101 (talk) 17:46, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

publisher?
the publisher section is confusing it has two listings for china and a few more confusing parts to it it should be less contradictory or explain how it is not --Shimonnyman (talk) 02:58, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Maple Story jail sentence
I found out about this in the Guardian - would it be worth adding something about this story here:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/oct/24/japan-games

"A Japanese woman could face a prison sentence after killing off her virtual husband in a computer game.

The 43-year-old became so angry about a sudden "divorce" from her online husband in the interactive Maple Story game that she logged on with his password and deleted his digital persona.

She has been arrested on suspicion of illegally accessing a computer and manipulating electronic data."

Totorotroll (talk) 11:51, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

can someone edit the maplestory article
based from this nexon website maplestory has over 87million players world wide http://intro.nexon.net/index.html and

the pirate job class is avalible in global ms now http://maplestory.nexon.net/Promo/Pirates.aspx

Also, the patch version of Global MS is 0.62 (North American version) —Preceding unsigned comment added by XSpike (talk • contribs) 12:17, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

MapleStory
Umm, what does this have to do with murder?

Outdated Info under "World Tour"
The infomation in World Tour, which is under the World section, is outdated. This phrase, "The newest area, Singapore" is NOT considered new anymore. Singapore has been released for nearly a year already and the Singapore extension, Ulu City, has already been released.

Malaysia (Trend Zone Metropolis & Kampung Town) and it's extension (Fantasy Theme Park) is also released already. I don't see a reason why were they not included in the article. If you have any questions, please post here. Thanks.

LordThrall (talk) 14:33, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

"GM Favoritism"
I feel that this section need some revising. On GM Favoritism:

"some GM(game masters)practice favoritism, and abuses their power by banning people just because a friend from real life who is also playing the game requested for the ban" Where is proof that this actually happens? This can be interpreted as defamation to the game masters of MapleStory in a way.

"the GMs are sometimes criticized as lazy or ineffective in taking action against offending players" This has little to do with favoritism. Reports do not get through immediately to the GMs; there will most likely be a long priority list of what to suspend for, given the massive amount of Maplers there are.

GM Favoritism
It has been noticed by some players that in some regions, some GMs (game masters) practice favoritism, and abuse their power by banning people just because a friend from real life who is also playing the game requested for the ban. In other regions, the GMs are sometimes criticized as lazy or ineffective in taking action against offending players.
 * I removed this section, has no references, and needs to be reworked before being included. -- GateKeeper(X) @   09:47, 8 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Agreed, as such a thing is nearly impossible to reference. However, there have been known cases of corruption in GMs in Asian versions of the game, although again, there's no way to reference. Statements of ban-abuse are generally unfounded, as are statements of lazy/ineffective GMs, as GMs tend to work in the background of any game with few public appearances.Annihilatron (talk) 16:55, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Internet Connection
The article says that the game requires a 56 kbit/s internet connection; this is incorrect. I have personally tested it on a 28.8 kbit/s connection and it works perfectly. -66.19.204.197 (talk) 02:22, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
 * According to Wikipedia policy, specifically WP:OR and WP:V, personal experience is not considered a valid source of information. In addition, "perfectly" is subjective. Sorry, but that's not something we can put in the article. – Skyezx  message  09:53, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
 * OK. I just wanted to let people with a 28.8 kbit/s connection know that it will work for them. It does lag slightly in some situations, but not enough to mess-up the game. -4.233.131.120 (talk) 18:19, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

All than he's trying to say is he doubts the source, thus maybe the source should be looked at and the information changed or validated. --Nikandros (talk) 03:02, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Old information
The Versions Content table is partially out of date. As I cannot edit it, I will note the discrepancies here. In the "Global" column... --Lumancer (talk) 03:18, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
 * The Magatia Party Quest cell should read "yes", not "no"
 * The Free Market Storage cell should read "removed," not "no"


 * The Versions Content table is also completely uncited. Is it original research? Annihilatron (talk) 16:57, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Is the table even appropriate for inclusion in an encyclopedia? &mdash;Kal (talk) 04:23, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Too much Original Research
Needs Cleanup —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.105.50.170 (talk) 03:14, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Only one screenshot in the whole article
I think that this article needs a couple more pictures. The whole of the article has one screenshot ingame, and I think it should have another one. I think it needs a screenshot of someone fighting. --Sauronjim (talk) 00:43, 30 March 2009 (UTC)MapleStory Rules!

Party Quests
I think there should be some information about party quests in general under the "quests" section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fftsin (talk • contribs) 23:12, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Knights of Cygnus and Pink Been Quest
MapleSEA has now have the knight of cygnus and i am not sure but i think that the pink been quest should be a have. Asiasoft has released some screenshots of it. -- User:choo_chng (User talk:choo_chng) 06:48, 18 June 2009

We need a good description of the "Knights of Cygnus", the classes, screenshots, and at the very least we need to add it to the Content Availability Table. Could someone do this? Ipod123432 (talk) 05:53, 9 July 2009 (UTC)ipod123432

Family?
What about a section that talks about the new family concept? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.100.197.100 (talk) 20:46, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

I agree.Angeljon121 (talk) 01:08, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Gist of the family thing: One leader (THE senior) invites two juniors, who can invite two juniors each of their own (and becoming the seniors of those juniors), etc. A senior can have 0, 1, or 2 juniors. Every time a junior levels up, the senior gain Rep points. A senior can use Rep points on functions such as teleporting to another player, increasing exp rates for a limited time, increasing drop rates for a limited time, teleporting other players to the senior, increased exp and drop rates for the senior's party for a limited time. However, the junior must be within 20 levels of the senior's level when invited. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ipod123432 (talk • contribs) 06:01, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

MapleDictionary
Would MapleDictionary (link redacted) be a legitimate link for the informational links section? Valce (talk) 00:44, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Err, no. It's unpopular and information contained in the website is common in many games. <b style="color:#0000FF;">OhanaUnited</b><b style="color:green;">Talk page</b> 16:27, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Charts
Are they current? I believe mSEA received Episode 2, containing KoC and some other goodies. Not playing there myself, I think it'd be better if someone else updated it.  Aar  ►  06:44, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

h ttp://www.prizerebel.com/index.php?r=1350016 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wwarriorken (talk • contribs) 22:32, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Pink Bean and Time Temple
GMS has gotten both these in the recent patch for v.72 so we should make it say 'Yes' for this content existing. Gbongc (talk) 01:49, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

New Job
Please note that KMS has added a new job called Aran. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.101.78.23 (talk) 13:37, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Isn't Aran only on KMS test server? --Angeljon121 (talk) 04:21, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Flag icon issue
The article is tagged with Template:Icon-issues, and looking through MOS:ICON, its application to identify regional publishers doesn't seem to be an explicitly inappropriate use. Any opinions? Should we get rid of the banner or the flag icons? BlazerKnight (talk) 23:40, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
 * WikiProject Video games decided a while back not to use flag icons for game related articles. Also the NAFTA flag is totally inappropriate 86.42.74.78 (talk) 14:14, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Done. Removing banner. BlazerKnight (talk) 00:45, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Version update release date template
Okay, I'm suggesting this which can be found from all software release something like this; yyyy,mm,dd to be implement into the version release. How's that, people? Peculator T • C 05:59, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

GlobalMS (United States) is now on version 0.74 not 0.73 Parks1993

Criticism
This section needs an update. Another constant criticism of the game is that the community, right now, is terrible in Global Maplestory. This is usually attributed to the lack of GM activity.209.195.79.88 (talk) 16:55, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Find a reliable citation for that, then you can add it. BlazerKnight (talk) 22:30, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Macro

 * Global currently has the macro skill system, correct? 67.77.70.21 (talk) 13:19, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Global does have Macro. Global also has Monster Carnival Season 2 and Boss Endurance / PQ. This list is out of date. Toastyc12 (talk) 21:17, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Informational fansites
Should this section get an update? Sleepywood.net and BasilMarket.com have pretty active forums. The former has a "Zakum schedule" to organize boss runs. In addition to providing an eBay-like auctioning system for MapleStory, I believe BasilMarket used to be in this section but got deleted some time after.

RogBeGone (talk) 19:38, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Updating the Article
We (Global MS) have at least two new updates that are not shown on the graph at the bottom. Carnival PQ Season 2, and Macro skills are both currently available. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.118.124.120 (talk • contribs) 15:24, 29 August 2009

Not done: Welcome and thanks for contributing. The editsemiprotected template requires a 'Please change X to Y' level of detail. The editors servicing the request are frequently not familiar with the article being change. Also, factual changes like this generally require some reference to a reliable source. Thanks, Celestra (talk) 18:38, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

I would suggest getting an editor that knows what this game is about, but that's just me. here is a link to details about Monster Carnival Season 2, Macro skill system came out a while ago, so I'll have to do some digging for that. Toastyc12 (talk) 21:32, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Updating the Article
I believe there is a whole town missing from the "Town Availability" table: "Time Temple", or the "Temple of Time". MapleStory Global has updated the game with Version .72 to include the new area "Time Temple", the town and area where Pink Bean is encountered. MapleStory Global has also had the Pink Bean Party Quest since this update. The Ellin Forest Party Quest has also been released since Version .72. This Party Quest is not seen on the "Multi-Person Quest" table. As of Version .75, MapleStory Global also added two Party-Quests: "Monster Carnival Season 2" and the "Mu Lung Dojo". The table in the article shows that Monster Carnival Season 2 is not present within the Global version of MapleStory and the Mu Lung Dojo, though can be initiated alone can be started with other party members. The Mu Lung Dojo is missing from the table as well. This information has been extracted from the MapleStory Global official website. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MaybeCorrect (talk • contribs) 22:42, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

New races, (knights of cygnus / Aran)
I think that we should mention that they have added the new races (Knights of Cygnus/Aran) I think that is a notable expansion for maplestory. Does anyone have any objections? May your keyboards stay sharp fellow wikipedians :3 User:Jakcer (talk) 23:56, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

North America Aran is here
Aran was added to MapleStory North America in the v.80 patch. Anyone willing to add this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.126.245.100 (talk) 07:06, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Added this, and kMS Evan Legomaster67 (talk) 16:25, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

MapleSEA Have 9 Worlds

 * It's been a while that the Izar world have been released. But I saw on the list that there are 8 worlds in MapleSEA, not 9. So, please change the number from 8 to 9. Tetrix1993 (talk) 13:44, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Did this. Legomaster67 (talk) 16:24, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Updates
Maybe people will accuse me of "vandalism" but I added a Monster section (didn't have one), and changed the statement over a hundred to over six hundred (one of the badges requires completion of six hundred quests, so over a hundred is needlessly vague).Bulmabriefs144 (talk) 13:11, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Characters
The promotion levels for Evan are wrong. The promotions levels for Evan is 10,20,30,40,50,60,80,100,120,160 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.94.168.91 (talk) 02:10, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

MapleSEA's Language/Country
MapleSEA no longer provide Chinese Language since its V0.80 Patch months ago. The Chinese Server/World; Gemini was revert back to English Language. All Worlds in MapleSEA uses English Language ever since, and the Chinese name for MapleSEA was removed since then as well. MapleSEA serves players majority from Singapore and Malaysia. This was also mention on MapleStory Official Site: http://www.maplestory.com/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Iluvml93 (talk • contribs) 13:23, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Small Edit
Fishing system in the feature Yes/No system, Global should be changed from yes to no. Source : Actual game, This entry, 'The Fishing System is currently available in all versions except KoreaMS, GlobalMS and EuropeMS. Players can buy fishing equipment from the Cash Shop and talk to an NPC in various towns to go fishing.'
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: Can you please provide a link to this source to ensure verifiability? -- Sh i r ik ( Questions or Comments? ) 22:52, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

papers,scissors,rock
papers,scissors,rock is now available at maplestory SEA
 * You need to provide a reliable source so we can verify this.  fetch  comms  ☛ 02:18, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Just go to MapleStory Versions content and edit that. You just need to edit the template and not the page itself. <b style="color:#0000FF;">OhanaUnited</b><b style="color:green;">Talk page</b> 02:51, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Removal of version differences
The table demonstrates the differences in the features between the different versions, demonstrating development progress, and comparative size. It may not be wholly appropriate as is, but I disagree with simply removing the whole template. -- Prod (Talk) 02:01, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
 * The list is indiscriminate information. A list exactly this was recently removed from the Dragonica article. Eik Corell (talk) 13:46, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

MapleStory Episode 2
A "expansion" for MapleSEA, titled MapleStory Episode 2, is in development. Maybe it should be included. Here: http://www.playpark.net/event/Default.aspx?return=http://maple.asiasoftsea.net/index.aspx

LordThrall (talk) 13:10, 25 April 2009 (GMT +8)


 * Yeah and MapleSEA Added chinese version though [wonder why but it is uncompleted as if u look here(as of 19 May 2009 (GMT +8), it's uncompleted and the day before releaseing the patch to fix the game working)]

Eugenekoh12 (talk) 18:53, 19 May 2009 (GMT +8) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.15.61.40 (talk) MAPLESTORY SUX DICKS THE WORST GAME AND HAD THE FIRST GAME TO GET SOME1 KILLED! DONT PLAY THIS GAME —Preceding unsigned comment added by TheLastGunner (talk • contribs) 00:01, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

MapleStory 2010
Updates on MapleStory Global 2010 : Neo City has been added. You can make up to 4 characters without purchasing an "extra character" slot. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.237.142.21 (talk) 01:50, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Evan
The levels for the masteries are wrong. The correct levels can be found here. 99.225.16.250 (talk) 23:21, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Opinionated statement
Under the "Characters" section of the article, the last sentence of the first paragraph states "the aforementioned two groups are extremely rare and difficult, and as such they should not be looked down upon."

This is obviously not NPOV. I propose removal. I'd edit it myself, but I'm not as of yet auto-confirmed. Svaldifari (talk) 23:38, 2 May 2010 (UTC)


 * I've removed it. Eik Corell (talk) 00:04, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Regional world maps
Formosa had the world tour world maps before Zipangu did.

Some local versions of MapleStory are shutting down
If you check the Vietnamese MapleStory website you'll notice that it is being shut down, does this deserve mention in the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.181.182.14 (talk) 16:13, 22 June 2010 (UTC)