Talk:Mappila Malayalam

Removing uncorrect information
I am removing certain information which is wrong in this article. Like Eniku is said to be the Hindu word and Enakku is said to be Mappila malayalam. This is wrong from the point that in Malabar region it is spoken as Enakku. It's a slang and the language has nothing to do with religion. Hence I am correcting the article. First of all there is no such thing as Mappila Malayalam, Hindu Malayalam or Christian Malayalam. Malayalam is same for all keralites with certain slangs used in certain areas without any religious difference.Chanakyathegreat (talk) 03:58, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Concept is obscure
This article is attempting to relate a possible local dialect to a community and then to a belief structure. Some links check out but the article, as it is, is not concise enough in its direction to be listed. It should be re-written completely or deleted.---Iconoclast Horizon

Original research
This article seems to contain OR related to the sentence Beary bashe is an offshoot of Mappila Malayalam and no proper citation has been provided. The page provided as citation does not even contain the words Beary or Mappila let alone the languages. Please provide proper citations else the sentences could be removed as OR - ¿Amar៛ Talk to me / My edits 16:46, 5 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Lot of POV pushing is happening in this article with Beary bashe being brought into the picture as a dialect of Mappila Malayalam or in some other pretext without doing proper investigations. The author who is pushing this POV; is himself not sure about the relation between Beary bashe and Mappila Malayalam as seen here but is trying to push it nevertheless. Any reference to Beary bashe in this article without proper citation will be reverted. - ¿Amar៛ Talk to me / My edits 12:45, 7 July 2007 (UTC)


 * For the time being, the above concern has been addressed... -- ¿Amar៛ Talk to me / My edits 04:53, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Arabic Name
Can somebody provide Arabic name for this article?

ARUNKUMAR P.R (talk · contribs) 04:39, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Off-topic tag
What is Beary Bashe doing in this article? What is its relation (if any) to the topic of this article? If no relation exists, what is the need of its presence in the comparison table? -- ¿Amar៛ Talk to me / My edits 05:02, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Languages can be compared in wikipedia...

ARUNKUMAR P.R (talk · contribs) 08:12, 2 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Comparing related languages is agreeable. Even providing English translations is OK since this is English wikipedia. But what is the relation between Beary bashe and Mappila Malayalam that you want to show a table with the translations? -- ¿Amar៛ Talk to me / My edits 11:25, 2 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Unless some citation is provided soon, I am suggesting to remove BB from the table in the article as per discussion here which indicates that BB and MM are indeed different-- ¿Amar៛ Talk to me / My edits 11:25, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

I have provided citation.

And stop language fundamentalism.

And look more to Kannada articles which are violating this.

ARUNKUMAR P.R (talk · contribs) 06:46, 3 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Pls provide citation in proper format. Not everyone knows who J. Sturrock is.. So provide the book name, pages and other details. And I hope you have seen my warning on your talk page for the nonsense accusation about me that you have made above -- ¿Amar៛ Talk to me / My edits 08:32, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Mappila Malayalam is Arabic Malayalam?
Please refer ml:സംവാദം:അറബി മലയാളം and ml:അറബി മലയാളം and correct in English/Malayalam wiki, whichever is not accurate. --Jacob.jose 16:08, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Idiotic synthesis
The article is nonsense. The writer apparently doesn't know the difference between Arabi Malayalam (an extinct dialect) which used to be written in Arabic script and the colloquial language of Mappila community (a stereotype in cinema). The fellow doesn't seem to know that there is no common dialect for Mappila community in Northern Kerala. To give an example, Yenaku (the alleged Mappila Malayalam variant of third item in the concocted list) is common to most people in Kannur District. 59.91.253.66 19:40, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Dravidian civilizations
Wiki Raja 09:52, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

original referece and poor soucres
"This speech is a mixture of colloquial northern Malayalam and Arabic language." This is silly. Firstly there is no such thing as "northern Malayalam". Variants of Malayalam influenced by Arabic is known by other names. The reference to "Subramoniam, V. I. (1997). Dravidian encyclopaedia. vol. 3" is probably a false one. The poster had better quote the relevant part. The third reference to http://www.nvtc.gov/lotw/months/april/Malayalam.html#writ is below par. Just see this sentence from that source. "A simplified version of the script was introduced in the 1970-1980 [sic] to facilitate printing." The long process of evolutions simply discarded and the minor adaptation to suit typewriting is given undue importance. I am removing this nonacademic and unreliable reference. 59.91.253.141 11:00, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Absolutely absurd
This is one of the idotic things that I found in Wikipedia. There is no such thing as Mappila Malayalam. Must have been started by some religious zealot. Article based on a Jewish researcher who found out using his intelligence that in some areas of Kerala they speak Malayalam differently is wrong. There has been addition of certain terms from all languages. In that a limited amount of words are loaned from other languages like Lorry from English. Similarly there may be certain terms from other foreign languages. That will not make the creation of another language altogether. And the people irrespective of religion speak the same language in various areas of Kerala. The Slang in a Christian majority area is not Christian Malayalam. It's the slang used by the people including all sects in that particular area. This article is being deleted. Chanakyathegreat (talk) 09:53, 19 November 2007 (UTC)


 * If you have sufficient sources to say that the article is an OR, you should follow the process outlined in WP:AFD instead of redirecting it. Thanks -- ¿Amar៛ Talk to me / My edits 11:18, 19 November 2007 (UTC)


 * My two cents. I am not an expert in this subject, but it is quite disappointing to see that the corresponding article in Malayalam Wikipedia - ml:അറബി മലയാളം - terribly contradicts with the facts in this article. I had pointed this out during a discussion in malayalam wiki and on the talk page of the article in mlwiki and I wonder whether the above comments are a result of that.
 * I suggest we need to have this discussion continue on mlwiki as well and that until a consensus is reached, this article be tagged to have WP:OR problem. --Jacob.jose (talk) 20:32, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

BOGUS
The primary contributor is a bit confused here. I have friends in Kerela that say this is not true. The Mappila is a reference to Islam (the InfoBox shows this is clearly connected to Islam in a 'promotional' way (you wouldn't see an InfoBox for Christianity next to the Topic of 'Tennessee Nasal Twang')). These links don't link to anything that can verify this concept only the words in the title. A search on this 'dialect' is inconclusive as to the specific 'spoken' word but there are mentions of Mappila (Islamic) singing style related to this Kerela community. But as recognized 'dialect' there seems to be no evidence to distinguish it.---Humanharmony2222 (talk) 02:17, 20 November 2007 (UTC)