Talk:Mar-a-Lago/Archive 1

Flag
What federal codes regulate the size of flags and flagpoles? Why would federal codes call local codes into question? -Will Beback 22:10, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Apparently, the flag is within the federal codes (bringing into question the local codes). 


 * The reference article mentions this topic. Surely, there are federal regulations on such items.  Often when a local law makes something illegal that had been determined to be legal at a higher jurisdiction, the local law is called into question as controverting a higher authority. TonyTheTiger 17:20, 7 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I looked at the source and didn't see any mention of federal codes (the source is no longer available at the provided link)). I can't imagine why the federal goverment would have laws about flagpoles. There are flag laws, but they say nothing about the size of a flag or of the height of flagpoles. In general, zoning and construction ordinances are the exclusive domain of state and local governments. If there's more detail about this I'd welcome it, but it should be based on solid sources. -Will Beback 22:37, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Lawsuits
Is there a reason why the 1995 and 2010 lawsuits (similar to the one filed in January 2015) are not mentioned? Can I start writing about it? See, e.g. Pinnygold (talk) 02:51, 3 October 2015 (UTC)


 * An observation about the section, "Fight Against Discrimination": although the lawsuit was filed in 1997, there is no mention as to either a final outcome or whether a final legal determination is pending. This section needs to clarify the current status or indicate the final resolution. Drbb01 (talk) 20:15, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

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Updated photos
It would be great if we could find some up-to-date photos of the house and grounds. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 150.135.210.209 (talk) 17:43, 18 November 2016 (UTC)

Conflict of interest
This article needs some info related to conflict of interest. In particular:

1. The Trump family's financial stake.

2. The vulnerability of the complex to rising sea levels.

Trump's antagonism toward the reality of climate change would seem to have a strong motive in maintaining the market value of the complex.

Bruce Jerrick, BMJ-pdx (talk) 10:00, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

Possible future improvements to the introduction
There is a lot of information out there about the remodeling of Mar-a-Logo after its purchase, as well as the subdivision of the residence to form the club. I also left the reference to the "Southern White House" but this seems a bit redundant and I'm concerned this might be a bit of branding, as the name President Trump refers to the facility is probably not worth of being in the header but rather the body. I hope to return and add the additional citations i found and to clean up this article further. Spectre9 (talk) 02:03, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

Way too much information
From the History section:


 * In the early 1990s, Trump faced financial difficulties. While negotiating with his bankers, he promised to divide Mar-a-Lago into smaller properties, alarming Palm Beach residents; the city council rejected his plan to do so. Trump instead turned the estate into a private club that — unlike other Palm Beach old money resorts like the Bath and Tennis Club and Everglades Club — accepted as members Jews, blacks, and, as one Everglades member said,[who?] "people who try to call attention to themselves". The new club hosted concerts by Céline Dion and Billy Joel, had beauty-pageant contestants as guests, and violated local noise ordinances. Michael Jackson and Lisa Marie Presley spent their honeymoon at Mar-a-Lago.

Much of the information provided reads like it came from a lifestyle magazine or a Trump biography. It has a gossipy tone and contains way too many frivolous details that only have a tenuous connection to Mar-a-Lago. It needs serious pruning. This is just one example...the entire article suffers from this.User2346 (talk) 08:45, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

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Photoshopped/fake picture?
looks photoshopped/fake to me.Zigzig20s (talk) 23:56, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Looks legit to me. What makes you think it's fake? — JFG talk 06:17, 11 August 2017 (UTC)
 * It looks like President Trump has been superimposed, if you look closely. Also, who is this woman?Zigzig20s (talk) 08:27, 11 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Doesn't look like he was superimposed: check out where he holds her arms + see details of her hair in front of his shirt. No idea who she might be, though! Given the caption, probably an official from the Cleveland Clinic. Does it matter? — JFG talk 09:17, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

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"to entertain an international leader, a task that has traditionally been held in the White House"
The article states: "On the weekend of February 10–12, 2017, President Trump and his wife Melania hosted Japanese Prime Minister Shinzō Abe and his wife. This was the first use of Mar-a-Lago to entertain an international leader, a task that has traditionally been held in the White House.". I guess we can forget about the "Western" White Houses of Nixon's La Casa Pacifica and George W. Bush's Prairie Chapel Ranch. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Colonycat (talk • contribs) 00:39, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
 * not sure how that changes anything traditionally been held in the White House is true non withstanding the few done elsewhere and it is the first at mar-a-lago עם ישראל חי (talk) 21:39, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Golf Course?
The property itself is too small for a golf course. Where does the President play golf all the time? There is is a golf course in the north, the Everglades Club. In southwest there is West Palm Beach Golf Course, but this is not on the island. Then there is in the south Palm Beach Par-3 Golf Course and on the other side of the water there is Lake Worth Golf Club. It seems there are innumerable golf courses in the area, but I can not find one that has the name Mar-a-Lago. Does the president visit the golf courses in the area in turn?--Giftzwerg 88 (talk) 02:53, 8. Jan. 2020 (CET)
 * Per ref 32, its Trump International Golf Club (West Palm Beach). That could be spelled out more clearly in the entry. Bangabandhu (talk) 16:46, 8 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Thank you, I´ve expanded the Wikidata item a bit. There is no link to the Mar-a-Lago property in the article of Trump International Golf Club (West Palm Beach) as well, the article lacks also a reference to it´s most famous visitor.--Giftzwerg 88 (talk) 21:26, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

cost to taxpayers, add?
Trump Organization charged Trump’s Secret Service rates as high as $650 a night and $17,000 a month for a cottage, which contradict Eric Trump’s own statements that "If my father travels, they stay at our properties for free." At the Mar-a-Lago Club, the Secret Service was charged the $650 rate dozens of times in 2017, and a different rate ($396.15) dozens more times in 2018. Relatedly, at the Trump National Golf Club Bedminster, the Secret Service was charged $17,000 a month to use a cottage in 2017. The Trump Organization also billed the government for days when Trump wasn’t there. The full extent of the Secret Service’s payments to Trump’s company is not known. X1\ (talk) 22:39, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
 * https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/secret-service-has-paid-rates-as-high-as-650-a-night-for-rooms-at-trumps-properties/2020/02/06/7f27a7c6-3ec5-11ea-8872-5df698785a4e_story.html

The House Oversight Committee has asked the Secret Service to provide a full accounting of its payments to Trump’s private company, per X1\ (talk) 22:28, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
 * https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/house-democrats-ask-secret-service-for-details-about-its-payments-to-trumps-company/2020/02/12/33b4a13e-4db3-11ea-bf44-f5043eb3918a_story.html

Why is there a 123movies link on the mar a lago website??
https://www.maralagoclub.com/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Piracy/comments/j4rld5/theres_a_link_to_123movies_on_the_maralago_club/

my guess is that he is broke lol. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:6000:1101:A5A:816A:D97A:F0E9:2E06 (talk) 04:39, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

(edit) : they fixed it XD — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:6000:1101:A5A:7D4F:C077:5090:BE90 (talk) 04:57, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

Primary residence
Can someone explain how someone can live at someplace other than their primary residence? What does "primary residence" mean exactly? Is this a US thing? GA-RT-22 (talk) 02:30, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * It’s explained for you in this article. Please remove the clarication needed tag. In future if you don’t understand something it would be better to raise it on the talk page first before tagging the article. DeCausa (talk) 09:27, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

article is off topic
This article has more to say about trump than the Hotel itself. While it's true that trumps ownership is a thread in the tapestry of the hotels history, more attention is given to Trump's minor infractions, like flags, and has basically been reduced to an anti-Trump hit piece, which is a shame because there is so much more to be said about the building itself, and it's long stunning history. That is the primary issue I'm seeing here; this is an atricle about trumps involvement with the hotel foremost, and says little about the hotel itself. I would like to hear more about it's architecture, historical events, (alluded to but not even mentioned) layout of the grounds, routines of the staff, kinds of food served, and other interesting facts about the place. That should be the focus of the article, not making some political case against Trump. It's a historical monument. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.71.95.173 (talk) 18:45, 25 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Feel free to add such content. soibangla (talk) 18:52, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

August 2022 alleged raid
Should this be added as a tropic, or spun into it's own article? 2601:14C:8380:DD90:89B9:7072:F8E:E575 (talk) 23:45, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Is there any evidence, beyond Trump's own completely unreliable word, that this raid actually took place? All references I've seen so far list Trump as the only source of this news. Dash77 (talk) 23:56, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
 * As of now, the NYT source listed in the article references details from people "familiar with the investigation," but it doesn't seem like the DOJ or FBI have officially confirmed anything yet. Aoi (青い) (talk) 00:12, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia allows such Trump hating trash in this article!
This article on Mar-a-Lago is way too bias and anti Trump. I know the media hates him, but give us a break. You’ve all been exposed already. 151.202.46.148 (talk) 18:24, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Absolutely, the King of Wikipedia should clamp down on this bias bigly. Covfefe! --Ef80 (talk) 17:32, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Mar-a-lago
"Mar-a-Lago" is only in Spanish: in Italian it's "mare", not "mar". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.137.199.49 (talk) 22:50, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

Trump lawyer just interviewed by Bill O’Reilly that she was not allowed into mansion during FBI search. She remained outside until 5 p.m.  Article incorrectly states his lawyer was present for search. 64.20.147.119 (talk) 22:47, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

I agree this should be included in the article. MissBehaving (talk) 14:21, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

Opening and caption in Infobox photo
Seems odd not to mention Trump's ownership (and so-called Winter White House) in first sentence and in the Infobox photo caption (currently described as "Marjorie Merriweather Post's estate"). Per MOS:FIRST, surely it needs to be highlighted in that way as it is now clearly its most notable feature. I was going to just go ahead and make the change, but just checking if there's no reason this hasn't been done already? DeCausa (talk) 21:01, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

It seems to me to be an obvious change so WP:BEBOLD. DeCausa (talk) 21:48, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 September 2022
In the section about the FBI search, this article currently says a subpoena for documents was sent to the office of Donald Trump in June, 2022. However, recent court filings by the DOJ say the subpoena was actually sent on May 11, 2022.

Source - NYT copy of court filing: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/08/31/us/doj-trump-special-master.html 2601:240:CB00:3770:5130:257A:1A23:172B (talk) 03:47, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Pictogram voting wait.svg Already done  Madeline  ( part of me ) 18:00, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

"present for the search"
The online news reports which I read stated that Trump's attorney was required to wait outside. If so, she was not "present" for the search itself. She may have been on the premises, but she was not in the vicinity of the search and was not allowed to observe the actions of the agents, while they searched and seized. Perhaps this should be rephrased? Tondelleo Schwarzkopf (talk) 13:55, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Do you have sources for the "online news reports" you're refering to? -- Zim Zala Bim talk 16:28, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
 * https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trumps-attorney-says-she-was-not-allowed-to-observe-fbi-mar-a-lago-search/ar-AA10wX4P Tondelleo Schwarzkopf (talk) 04:54, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
 * ""Halligan says she and Bobb were barred from going inside the complex, forced to remain outside, between the ballroom and residence, on the grounds of Mar-a-Lago.""
 * https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-mara-a-lago-fbi-search-lawyer/ Tondelleo Schwarzkopf (talk) 04:55, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

Abbreviation
Would anyone have an objection to me changing the full name Mar-a-Lago to MaL throughout the article? A lot of other pages use abbreviations of the subject name.

Comments please. StuZealand (talk) 05:50, 18 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Oppose Tondelleo Schwarzkopf (talk) 13:58, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Would oppose, unless that acronym is widely used in the primary sources. JByrne404 (talk) 15:13, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

Legal Issues
The description of the legal issues surrounding Mar a Lago appear to be written by Trump’s campaign/attorneys. 32.210.177.24 (talk) 21:31, 4 October 2023 (UTC)