Talk:MaraDNS/Archive 2

Time to move on
It's time to move on with regards this article. It needs further referencing and input from interested and knowledgeable editors. Previous discussion continues previous negativity and has been archived - with a pointer link created for persons interested in reading that material.-- VS talk 22:36, 19 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I want to second Virtual Steve. I agree that it wasn't ever a good idea for me to edit this page. In the mid-2000s policies and procedures on the Wikipedia were not as clearly established (it was, if you will, a wild frontier) and WP:COI did not exist (this was also when someone broke WP:3RR we had to take it to arbitration to get the errant editor disciplined; things were different back then); it was during this time I did the majority of edits to this article.


 * Looking back, this was a mistake. The article is, IMO, not a very good one right now and one I never should have edited.  However, I respect WP:COI and will not edit this article again.  I hope some other editor comes forward and makes this a quality article; I hope MaraDNS becomes notable enough that this happens.


 * I apologize for any conflicts I had with other editors because I edited this article or any of the other articles I should not edit for WP:COI reasons (I have a list of them on my user page). I think the Wikipedia is a good place and I think WP:COI (and WP:NPA and WP:HOUND and other policies not in place in the mid-2000s) makes it a better place.  Samboy (talk) 06:39, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Requested edits
Request edit

The current stable version of MaraDNS is 1.3.07.09 (August 4, 2008), not 1.2.12.08 (outdated). Link

MaraDNS 1.0 is no longer relevant; paragraphs mentioning it "After a 17 month development and testing cycle, including stress testing of MaraDNS' recursive resolver, MaraDNS 1.0.00 was released on June 21, 2002" and "While 1.2 is almost fully compatible with 1.0 data files [5] 1.0 releases of MaraDNS will continue to be maintained until December 21, 2007" should be removed.

"MaraDNS spawns a thread for each recursive DNS request that is not already cached" I'm actually working on code that will resolve this issue (and other issues and feature requests people have had over the years) Samboy (talk) 23:06, 15 May 2009 (UTC)


 * ✅ Someone else had already updated the version, I deleted the information about the old versions per request. I left the "MaraDNS spawns a thread for each recursive DNS request that is not already cached", but that can be removed later once you've resolved it. Regards. Kiore (talk) 08:13, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

MaraDNS in print
Since this article would be better with other references, I should point out that [ http://www.amazon.com/Alternative-DNS-Servers-Deployment-Back-Ends/dp/0954452992/ this book] (Alternative DNS Servers: Choice and Deployment, and Optional SQL/LDAP Back-Ends (Paperback) by Jan-Piet Mens) has an entire chapter devoted to MaraDNS. Samboy (talk) 16:37, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Edit that violated WP:BLP
I have reverted this edit because it violated WP:BLP; the wording of the edit claims that I won't make any updates whatsoever after 2.0 but the blog makes it clear I will continue to make bug fixes. Also, guys, before claiming the death of MaraDNS, don't use my blog as a source (RTFpolicies; WP:BLP makes it clear you can't use blogs for contentious statements); wait until I change the webpage to make it clear I “Have no plans to add new features to MaraDNS at this time” or what not.

Be aware that WP:BLP trumps WP:COI Samboy (talk) 14:46, 10 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Looking at WP:BLP, it actually is OK to add content about my future plans about MaraDNS as long as the material accurately reflects the sources; for example this blog entry which I wrote to clarify MaraDNS’ future can be used as a source in the article. Bottom line: My current plan is to no longer add new features to MaraDNS after releasing MaraDNS 2.0; I will still issue bugfix releases and answer email posted to the mailing list as appropriate.  There’s a world of difference between “not adding new features” and “quit working on the software”; I have no plans to leave MaraDNS with unpatched security holes.  Samboy (talk) 02:42, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Third-party sources that mention MaraDNS
Since User:Theserialcomma has brought up the legitimate concern that this article doesn’t mention third-party sources discussing MaraDNS’ notability, which would be reasonable grounds for this article being deleted, I am pointing out some third party sources which discuss MaraDNS at depth, establishing its notability:


 * This book devotes an entire chapter to MaraDNS.


 * Significant discussion of MaraDNS and its security-aware programming

Naturally, since I am the implementor of MaraDNS, it’s quite significant to me (it has been something I’ve been working on for nearly a decade, and something I’m in the slow process of wrapping up and putting closure on), so I can’t look at this issue in an objective manner, but I hope other Wikipedians agree these cites establish MaraDNS’ objective notability. I can find other mentions of it on the web, but these are the most notable mentions I found (a physical book, and an article over at ZDNet, a notable publisher)

I’ve added these references as citations to the article—I’m allowed to add citations and and remove poorly-sourced contentious nonsense (like saying I won’t make any updates whatsoever after relasing MaraDNS 2.0); WP:COI doesn’t forbid me from editing the article; it only forbids me from using the Wikipedia to spam about non-notable rubbish. Which I hope MaraDNS isn’t; but that’s for other editors to decide. Samboy (talk) 22:03, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I've added in a cite for which brings the book references to two & with the zdnet online one I felt that there are sufficient references to establish notabilty so I removed the prod and primary sources tags. Kiore (talk) 00:46, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Here are some more sources that mention MaraDNS:


 * “For our prototype, we implemented functions to retrieve the master public key from DNS and to decode the key. We then set up a MaraDNS [18] server, generated a master public key, and manually added the key to the server. (We do not yet have a tool to automatically put keys into DNS.)”


 * “Figure 2, for instance, shows that the BIND server performs worse than MaraDNS under the same attack, which means that the later is able to sustain a larger number of attacks than the first” (As a personal note, João Antunes was very helpful reporting a security bug in MaraDNS a couple of years ago with his excellent PREDATOR program).


 * (This was a PhD thesis) “MaraDNS, which is an open-source implementation of a recursive, caching Domain Name System (DNS) resolver. We experimented with public releases of MaraDNS, which consists of between 15,000 and 24,000 lines of code, depending on the version.” (also mentioned several other places in the dissertation).

Here we see MaraDNS mentioned in, among other things, third-party PhD dissertations. This firmly establishes notability: MaraDNS has significant discussion in published books (including having entire chapters of books devoted to MaraDNS), notable technology news web sites like ZDNet, and PhD dissertations. Samboy (talk) 03:48, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

first hand experience
I can confirm this product is very good. It can run on a vps ith 64mb of ram and still manage flawlessly 3000 or more domains and infinite zones. Unthinkable with Bind or Powerdns. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.134.26.58 (talk) 05:38, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Let's update this article
This article is horribly out of date and relies too much on primary sources.

I have created a version of this article more reliant on third party sources and which is up to date with MaraDNS 2.0: User:Samboy/MaraDNS; rationale for the changes from the current Wiki article can be seen here User_talk:Samboy/MaraDNS. I am requesting a neutral editor to look at both the current MaraDNS article, as well as my proposed form of this article, and come up with an article that is more current and less reliant on primary sources.

Thank you for your time.

Samboy (talk) 21:32, 27 March 2013 (UTC)


 * In light of the AFD entry, I have updated the above article to use exclusively third party sources, in order to establish that MaraDNS is discussed enough in 3rd party sources to make a full Wikipedia article. Samboy (talk) 22:11, 5 April 2013 (UTC)


 * I have added the draft with a substantial amount of re-writing and trimming. The best response to unsourced contentious content is for us to delete it, rather than adding sourced defensiveness, so I have removed the defensive portions, as well as made other changes regarding trivia, promo, etc.. However, I felt the draft was well-researched and useful enough for me to spend some time on it. Ideally an impartial editor will someday write a Reception section, but it is adequate in your position to start the article with a short product summary and leave that to impartial volunteers at a future date. CorporateM (Talk) 18:26, 6 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Thank you. The article is now up to date for the 2010s.  Samboy (talk) 07:49, 9 April 2013 (UTC)