Talk:Maracanã Stadium/Archive 1

Title
The title should be Maracanã Stadium because is a English article. --ClaudioMB 05:03, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Most of the stadium names in Wikipedia articles are in their native languages. For example, check the Italian stadiums and the Argentine stadiums. So, Maracanã needs to be named in their Brazilian name. --Carioca 05:12, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree if "Estadio do Maracana" was the official name or the most popular nickname. Like in the Italians stadiums you find San Siro but not Stadio San Siro. Or like in the Argentine stadiums you find Estadio Alberto J. Armando but not Estadio Bombonera. Or even on Brazilian stadiums were you find Castelao but not Estadio do Castelao. I from Fortaleza, you could call it both ways, but Castelao it is way more popular then Estadio do Castelao. So, may point is, it should be the most popular name "Maracana". If there is already an article using the "Maracana" title, then change to "Maracana (stadium)" showing that the most know name is "Maracana" but we need distinguish it from the other "Maracana" title.--ClaudioMB 03:06, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Seating capacity
Now, what is the problem with finding the seating capacity on the stadium? Should we take into consideration stading seats as well, I think so.. (if they are there).. I have seen mentioned that the stadium had a very reduced capacity (in the low 40,000) for a good part of 2005 (?) (Ill try to find the links once more) due to the work they were putting in for the Pan 2007-games, and it has been closed as well in periods.. Can we get a consensus on the exact numbers? I have also seen the 95,000 or 96,000 mentioned several times, but I believe these are or were tentative numbers, but I really don't have anything to back that claim up as of now. Anyone? --Stigmj 10:52, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
 * The Pan American Games Rio 2007 Official Site reports 73,916 seats
 * The Brazilian Olympic Committee official website reports 95,000 seats
 * The Pan 2007 site at Globo reports 95,000 seats
 * SUDERJ (the official website of the stadium) reports 103,022 seats (I think this site is grossly outdated)
 * We have to use verifiable sources, and the sources needs to be reliable. As Globo and the Brazilian Olympic Committee are both verifiable and reliable sources, we need to keep the 95,000 capacity. Another reason to keep the 95,000 capacity in the article is because Terra, which is one of the largest internet and content providers in Brazil, also reports that Maracanã's capacity is 95,000. Curiously, according to the 2007 Campeonato Brasileiro Guide, by Placar magazine, the stadium's capacity is 92,000, and according to today's Lance! newspaper, the stadium's capacity is 86,464. --Carioca 23:38, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I did some more digging, and found the following links:
 * An official note (released 28 May 2007 - 17h31) from the Secretary of turism and sports in RJ saying the capacity will be 90,000 seats
 * A Globo-report (released 11 June 2005 - 09h:58m) where the president of the SUDERJ is stating the capacity will be 90,000 seats.
 * Another report (PDF) (Google cache in text) (released 17 April 2004) claiming a future capacity of 90,000. Claiming to use http://oglobo.globo.com/oglobo/ as a source.
 * I would think the first two of these links are relatively verifiable and reliable. The first of them is very new as well... So what now? --Stigmj 01:48, 25 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Yet another interesting link: Terra reports the stadium will have 86,100 seats after the reform, and it will be reduced even more to about 75,000 at a later stage to give way to more shops etc. --Stigmj 21:35, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
 * It is a really complicated question, because there are several reliable sources and almost every source lists a different capacity. Unfortunately, the official website is obviously outdated, so we can't use it as a reference to the stadium capacity. The Terra link you posted is good and it is very updated. Maybe we should kept the 95,000 capacity for now, and change later to 86,100 seats and then to 75,000 seats. --Carioca 22:56, 27 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Or yet, even outdated, maybe we should keep what the official website says and wait until the end of the Pan-American Games when the stadium will be re-opened at its full capacity. Then we'll see what's for real. —Lesfer (t/c/@) 04:06, 28 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Essa nossa "mania" de acharmos que tudo nosso é maior, cabe mais, é o melhor, é simplesmente causado pelo falso patriotismo que temos de querermos ser mais que qualquer outro, o dos outros nunca valem nada, somos os bons, ninguém pode comosco. Bem, isso tudo é causado pelo nossa imprensa "marron", encabeçada pela Rede Globo, que fica sempre querendo levar os cidadãos a ufanismos desacerbados, e nós idiotas acreditamos. Na verdade se o estádio cabe 220.000, 150.000, ou 70.000 pessoas sentadas, o importante é saber quem é que quer colocar tantas pessoas dentro de lugares sem nenhuma estrutura de conforto, somos nós mesmos, que acreditamos que nós somos sempre maiores. Quanta "burrice" a nossa. Tive que escrever isso em português, pois não saberia me explicar em inglês, me desculpem pelo desabafo. abraço a todos Braz Leme


 * The Stadium will host the Copa Libertadores Final Game for the First time in July 2, 2008. The Second leg between Fluminense and LDU. The 2007 venue was Estadio Olimpico in Porto Alegre, Brazil.--Daviuff (talk) 05:25, 18 June 2008 (UTC)


 * This is English Wikipedia, comments in English only, please. Leave Portuguese for Wiki.pt. Thanks. —Lesfer (t/c/@) 12:55, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Tina Turner might have set a world record in 1988, but a-ha set a Guinnes Book world record for the largest paying audience in the world in 1991. Playing for over 195 000 people. I have now added this info to the article. [IMG]http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b242/Mortyman/31b207c4.jpg[/IMG] Mortyman 23:30, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Larger image
Considering this image is a panoramic image, I think it should be enlarged like this: Though WP:MOS states that images should not have a fixed size, I think this would be one of those exceptions. Any one agree? -- MicroX 21:59, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

It was never the largest
The article repeats that this was once the largest stadium in the world, but Strahov Stadium is bigger and was built first. Maracana was never the largest, so I'm taking that out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.8.57.92 (talk) 21:58, 26 August 2008 (UTC)


 * It is correct that Strahov was earlier and larger - but it's no football or athlethic ground. The surface was over 60.000 square meters, compared with a common football ground it's 7 to 8 times larger. In that case there were motor racing stadiums even much larger then the 220.000 capacity of Strahov. The old Nurnburgring is one for sure. Many motor stadiums have crowd capacities of several hundered thousend attenders. Indianapolis 500 runs at an oval stadium larger than Strahov, and I belive

it was so even in the 1930's. But You can't compare apples with pears, so to say. As football stadium the Maracana was the largest in 1950, the biggest football stadium before that was Hampten Park, Glasgow as far as I know. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.249.42.14 (talk) 00:27, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

95000?
oh please. Looking at the pictures, I would say this place cant seat more than 35000 ppl. Are you sure it is 95000? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.110.160.223 (talk) 12:05, 1 May 2009 (UTC) Yep. photos are deceptive as it's not a particularly traditional stadium design.(been there) 84.9.58.60 (talk) 14:11, 22 March 2010 (UTC)


 * And remember that 199.000 were inside the stadium in 1950. I've seen a game on TV the lower tier has at least 40 rows and the upper probably 120. And althow it's not build with running tracks, it has a circular shape with rather big distance to the seats , making evry row having more seats then at a traditional shaped stadium. I totaly fail to see how You estimate it to 35000

only. And 95.000 seems reasonable - seats generally take twice the space of stands. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.249.42.14 (talk) 00:40, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Games
How many games were played there? I can't find anything about that.--Louis 22:12, 7 August 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by LouisSS13 (talk • contribs)
 * I don't know, but usually Flamengo and Fluminense play most of their home games at Estádio do Maracanã. Also all Rio de Janeiro city derbies are played at the Maracanã. Recently América played some games at Maracanã. --Carioca (talk) 22:22, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Estádio Olímpico João Havelange which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RM bot 20:00, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Concerning Critics
I do not agree with the strong criticism that start the article. It's not the very best of all articles perhaps, but I fail to see the difference of this article compared to several other articles of stadiums. By the way in the World Cup 1950 there was no common final - the four group winners played a second round. Uruguay, Brazil, Sweden and Spain played a second round group, where the winner of this second final-groupe became the World Champions. But the last game happened to be like a common final game, but Brazil only needed a draw to win the cup. Amazingly Uruguay won 2 - 1 and became world champions for the second time. (Brazil got silver and Sweden bronze, Spain no 4) 83.249.42.14 (talk) 00:10, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Requested move

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Page moved to Maracanã (stadium). Vegaswikian (talk) 20:06, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Estádio do Maracanã → Maracanã Stadium – Relisted. Vegaswikian (talk) 20:42, 10 May 2011 (UTC) Per WP:UE and WP:COMMONNAME Maracanã Stadium is the established name for this stadium in English. Estádio do Maracanã is Portuguese, but English it is not.


 * 350 scholar Ghits for English variant
 * 63 scholar Ghits for Portuguese variant


 * 3,430 book Ghits for English variant
 * 516 book Ghits for Portuguese variant


 * 2,430 news Ghits for English variant
 * 0 news Ghits for Portuguese variant

Russavia I'm chanting as we speak 21:36, 3 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Oppose. I oppose this move, as just Maracanã seems to be the most common name of the stadium. I support a move to Maracanã (stadium), as it uses the common stadium name (Maracanã) and adds the disambiguating word stadium in parentheses. --Carioca (talk) 21:56, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Undecided, since I know that the English name for the Mario Filho Stadium is Maracanã Stadium and the Portuguese name is Estádio do Maracanã and the official name is Estádio Jornalista Mário Filho, which is Portuguese. I already know that several edtors will be doing a page-move war on the stadium's title. Jim856796 (talk) 06:22, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Support as per WP:UE. -- P 1 9 9 • TALK 15:43, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Just Maracanã is far more common than Maracanã Stadium, thus moving the page to Maracanã (stadium) is the best option. --Carioca (talk) 19:28, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Expanding my message above: even the main football (soccer) governing body, FIFA, adopts the name Maracanã instead of Maracanã Stadium, see this link. So the logical choice is to move the page to Maracanã (stadium). --Carioca (talk) 19:20, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
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Non-native English
This article's English is obviously not written by native speakers. It needs heavy editing to make it read like standard English. Wuapinmon (talk) 02:35, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

Football stadium???
I'm pretty sure they play *soccer* there. How could wikipedia get such a basic fact wrong? 66.74.148.20 (talk) 09:14, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Football is the common name of the sport around the world, except in the United States, where they call it soccer. The other football is known as American football in the rest of the world but United States. Hope that helps. --Carioca (talk) 19:21, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

Requested move to Maracanã Stadium June 2014

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The result of the move request was: Moved. EdJohnston (talk) 22:54, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

Estádio do Maracanã → Maracanã Stadium – The latter name is much more established in the English world: Searching "Maracanã Stadium" on Google yields 150,000 English-language results while "Estádio do Maracanã" only gives 90,000 results in English. "Maracanã Stadium" is also the English translation. Hey mid  (contribs) 15:08, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Other famous stadiums with Spanish names (Azteca, Centenario, ... ) have their Spanish names also at English Wikipedia.  A redirect is fair enough.  Fomalhaut76 (talk) 19:34, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
 * this ain't Spanish... Red Slash 00:06, 26 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Strong support of this move but even better would be Maracana. WP:UE is still policy the last time I checked. Red Slash 00:06, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Oppose. For the same reasons of the opponent above. Maracanã was always known by the Brazilian Portuguese name. Furthermore, if we change Maracanã, why not change all stadiums, which is quite a difficult task. But if the Wikipedia users decide to change the name of the article to Maracanã, ONLY, like Mineirão and both Castelão (the one in Fortaleza, Ceará and the one in São Luís, Maranhão), I will not oppose, as that would end this dispute. The Replicator (talk) 13:21, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Red Slash 01:06, 27 June 2014 (UTC)


 * I think I support this on WP:COMMONNAME grounds - when listening to ESPN, they aren't calling this "Estádio do Maracanã". But it should maybe be checked if "The Maracanã" is in the running versus "Maracanã Stadium"... --IJBall (talk) 02:34, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Support. Clear cut COMMONNAME. Note the last RM also came to this consensus and the article was moved back without any talk page discussion. Jenks24 (talk) 13:14, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Support. While coverage of the World Cup uses the Portuguese name in the stats, on-air commentary and other sources use the generic English name, either "Maracana Stadium" or "Maracana stadium" (I prefer the lower case "stadium" as that indicates it's not the stadium's official name). Seems to be a case of WP:COMMONNAME. --JonRidinger (talk) 03:08, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
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Capacity records?
The opening section gives a an official attendance of 199,854 in 1950. The following section then gives a 'new official record' of 188,513 in 1954. Huh? 84.9.58.60 (talk) 14:13, 22 March 2010 (UTC)


 * I see different assistance records to the 1950 final: 199.854 and 173.850
 * Which one is the correct? GastonSenac (talk) 20:31, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

Requested move to "Estádio do Maracanã" August 2016
Maracanã Stadium → Estádio do Maracanã – "Maracanã Stadium" is merely an English translation of the name but the proper "stadium name" is "Estádio do Maracanã"... Check match reports FIFA, they also officially report the name as "Estádio do Maracanã"... Maracanã Stadium is just an English translation and the proper name... The proper, formal name of the stadium is "Estadio do Maracanã" and that's why I'm requesting this move to make the article absolutely accurate... Redirecting "Maracanã Stadium" to "Estádio do Maracanã" would be better!!! Cricket246 (talk) 12:21, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

Kindly consider my move request for once!!! Thanks!!! Cricket246 (talk) 19:44, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
 * The last two move discussions both wound up deciding on Maracanã Stadium, which is the current name. Why not read over the two prior discussions which can still be seen above (one in 2011, one in 2014). Do you think you have new arguments or data that weren't considered previously? Per WP:OFFICIAL we don't use the official name if there is a common name that is more widely used in English. EdJohnston (talk) 20:09, 2 August 2016 (UTC)


 * If that's the rule then fair enough... As I saw FIFA using Estádio do Maracanã during Confederations Cup and World Cup that's why I thought that's a more authentic name... Thanks for the extensive explanation... Helped me understand the rule better!!! Thanks!!! 😃 Cricket246 (talk) 20:59, 2 August 2016 (UTC)