Talk:Marcia Herndon

Eastern Cherokee
Per her father's and grandmother's obituaries and her birth certificate, her paternal family names (Herndon, Hooker and Gleaton) do not correlate with a person on the 1924 Baker Roll which is required for tribal membership. Her mother's death certificate lists Alma Simmons as Marcia's mom, says she was born in Hartford, Tennessee, and states that her parents were Alice Cates and John Simmons. John died in 1957 and at that time, he and Alice were still living in Hartford, so it seems completely unlikely that the grandparents she grew up living "near" could have been her mother's parents. In any case neither Simmons or Cates appear on the Baker Roll either. In that regard, unless a definitive proof of membership in the Eastern Cherokee surfaces, the article should reflect only Cherokee ancestry. SusunW (talk) 19:23, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
 * To list Cherokee ancestry, there has to be some proof of actual ancestry. Her claims are unsubstantiated, so the correct category is self-identified. Her claims that can't be sourced from WP:NDNID-RS sources have to either be noted as unsubstantiated, or, the claim must be cut completely. Otherwise WP is perpetuating a hoax. She was teaching during a time when most Universities accepted self-id without question, and never did due diligence. While there are still many frauds in both places, this has been changing; there are now standards of proof, in academia as well as here on WP. - CorbieVreccan  ☊ ☼ 22:36, 22 May 2022 (UTC)