Talk:Mardin engagement ceremony massacre

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Would like to continue editing as the motive for the attack was an feud between rival groups of pro-government village guards who fight alongside Turkish troops against Kurdish rebels, according to the Turkish news channel NTV. Jamesryan87 (talk) 22:53, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok. you have seven days, per WP:PROD. Make it good or it's gone. Thanks, T3chl0v3r (talk) 22:55, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Would love those who are more experienced with editing Wikipedia to add more information to this article. I'm quite new to using it and doing the best as I can. Thanks. Jamesryan87 (talk) 23:02, 4 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I still believe this article belongs on wikinews. There is not enough free content available for it's own encyclopedia article. I'm starting an AFD discussion.  Feel free to argue your side once it begins. T3chl0v3r (talk) 23:07, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Where can I add my thoughts on the matter? Please link page in response. P.S. The news is currently breaking, so I am adding what I can find on English-language news websites. I'm also new to editing Wikipedia and am just basically learning through trial and error. If you or someone who has more experience editing, please edit this page to bring it up to Wikipedia standards. Thanks again. Jamesryan87 (talk) 23:19, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Go to this page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2009_Mardin_Attack T3chl0v3r (talk) 23:21, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Please help me edit this page to bring this page to standards. I'm totally clueless here. Jamesryan87 (talk) 00:08, 5 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I've tagged the page for help, I'll help as well. T3chl0v3r (talk) 00:09, 5 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Okay, thanks. I'll add information, but right now there are conflicting reports by the governor and the deputy governor as to how many are killed or injured, so I'm going to state that in the article. Also, I'm confused as to whether I should put the references and how many times I should put it (i.e. at the first instance I put something that comes from the article and should I put in every time I mention info from the article.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jamesryan87 (talk • contribs) 00:28, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * See this: Manual_of_Style T3chl0v3r (talk) 00:34, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

I've edited the article to the best of my ability and with the most reliable information I could find. There is a lot of unknown and rapidly changing information in the attack, so for right now I'm going to leave it as is. Once more reliable and confirmed information comes out, it should be added. Comments on my editing are greatly appreciated. I want to know how I did, good or bad. Jamesryan87 (talk) 03:05, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

An article about 44 killed - NOMINATE TO DELETION???

 * Why? TouLouse (talk) 13:58, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Because there were no sources. At the time i made the nomination, it would have been better on WikiNews. T3chl0v3r (talk) 20:46, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

gunned down with handgrenades
i'll just leave this here. 86.154.247.164 (talk) 20:38, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

...although they were ultimately unsuccessful in their marriage bid...
Because they were killed? Or because of some Turkish custom not mentioned? Needs some clarification. --Falcorian (talk) 21:25, 5 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm pretty sure that it was stated in the Reuters article that it was right after the Imam wedded them. I know little on Turkish and/or Muslim customs for weddings, or waiting times for marriage certificates (or the like). So, if someone with knowledge of the customs of weddings could help clarify it, that would be great. Jamesryan87 (talk) 22:03, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * The New York Times refers to them in unmarried terms. So there appears to be a contradiction somewhere. -- can  dle &bull; wicke  22:59, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll just put the fact that it unclear if the marriage is official or not due to them being killed. Jamesryan87 (talk) 00:46, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Proposal for re-naming
I'm proposing a renaming of the page. Why must we make the title more cluttered and include the year for every event ?. Given that the need for disambiguation is ruled out as there are no other articles that correspond to Mardin wedding party attack,the title of the article should be changed from 2009 Mardin wedding party attack to Mardin wedding party attack. --Roaring Siren (talk) 13:15, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * It is a massacre, and should be called a massacre (and properly categorized as such). -- Gabi S. (talk) 14:21, 6 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree. The article should be renamed to Mardin wedding party massacre. I'm leaving this here to gather a WP:consensus before executing the move. --Roaring Siren (talk) 18:16, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I say Move to Mardin wedding party massacre. T3chl0v3r (talk) 20:06, 6 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Someone has already done that. And yes, they Moved it, thanks. --Roaring Siren (talk) 10:57, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

It was an engagement party not a wedding party
The information that it was a wedding party is not correct. The people had gathered for an engagement ceremony. This information and only this information was also in the Turkish language media from the beginning of the incident. The title and the related content of the article needs to be corrected. CeeGee (talk) 06:04, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

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