Talk:Margaret Battin

Page additions
There is a lot of material available on Battin. I'm putting something together in my sandbox if anyone has any input. 8&#61;&#61;8 Boneso (talk) 08:57, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

Complete. 8&#61;&#61;8 Boneso (talk) 23:36, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Assisted dying, or assisted suicide, or assisted death
The references on this page refer to assisted dying, and rarely (if ever) use assisted suicide or assisted death. Insertion of assisted death or suicide is a breach of WP:POV 8&#61;&#61;8 Boneso (talk) 23:39, 29 June 2018 (UTC)


 * References 1, 2, 3, 4, 12, 13, 14, 20, 21, 22, 23, 25, and 33 all use the terms euthanasia, assisted suicide, or just suicide. Reference 5 uses assisted suicide twice and assisted dying twice each. Reference 11, which uses assisted dying in the title, uses it interchangeably with the terms euthanasia and assisted suicide in its abstract. I'd like to know what sources you're looking at that use "assisted dying" as the term, because I can't seem to find them. Would you also explain how this is a violation of WP:POV? Thanks,  originalmess  how u doin that busta rhyme? 03:59, 1 July 2018 (UTC)


 * , thank you for your reply and opportunity to clarify my somewhat clumsy note above. Firstly I should say that it was not a direct attack on your edits, and I apologise profusely if you took it that way.  I have observed a number of editors make edits on pages on assisted dying that use language that slants an article towards their POV, usually against assisted dying.  Your edits simply prompted the note above which was left for any editor who intended on making similar edits.  The use of language in relation to assisted dying has changed or developed over time.  Many of the references cited here are 5 years old and over, prior to the evolution of the language used today, when those terms were often used and accepted.    The American Association of Suicidology released statement on October 30 2017, (archived) about this issue that contains 15 points of difference between suicide and assisted dying.  It was reported in the Denver Post on November 17 2017. (archived).  Even in this article (see left side under heading what's in a name) published in the Statesman Journal (October 2, 2005) highlights the importance of using the correct language. Further, when I contacted Margaret Battin for photos for this page she outlined the importance of using the current language on the page.  The language will surely continue to evolve and this and other pages that mention assisted dying should be updated to reflect those changes. 8&#61;&#61;8 Boneso (talk) 00:34, 2 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Ahh thanks so much for clarifying! I wasn't aware of the general context of the issue and completely understand how language matters/changes and how there might be a need for preemptive clarification. I'm sorry if I seemed aggressive! I was pretty unsure of how to take it, especially with the references in the article saying different things. Also, thank you for looking up this information for me, because I wouldn't have known what to look up. Cheers,  originalmess  how u doin that busta rhyme? 03:09, 3 July 2018 (UTC)