Talk:Margaret Mahy

Untitled
Something a bit odd in the dates on this page. The Bibliography section says "The Haunting (1992)", but the Awards section says it won the Carnegie Medal in 1982. I know it's a supernatural novel, but that's going a bit far :-) I think the Bibliography section has to be the wrong one, because my copy of The Haunting says it was first published in the UK in 1982. Not sure what that makes the real original publication date, though.
 * Carnegie Medals were dated by the year of first U.K. publication.
 * National Library of Australia is associated with VIAF, a link provided in the footer of many writer biographies here. (But I don't know how to use the NLA link provided there[ whereas the German (GND) today goes directly to the human readable catalog.) NLA may be useful, I suppose from a distance, knowing that even UK and US share some catalog resources and generate much co-publication. --[[User:P64|P64]] (talk) 16:05, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Mahy.jpg
Image:Mahy.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.

If there is other other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images uploaded after 4 May, 2006, and lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.BetacommandBot 03:49, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
 * long ago --P64 (talk) 16:05, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
 * long ago --P64 (talk) 16:05, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

How pronounce her surname?
Is it like "ma-HIGH"? 86.182.10.94 (talk) 16:37, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Its pronounced "Ma-he", see the opening part of this documentary: http://www.nzonscreen.com/title/made-in-new-zealand---margaret-mahy-2004. Rudolph89 (talk) 21:18, 21 June 2012 (UTC)


 * So in IPA notation that's /ˈmɑː.hi/ (in a British RP accent anyhow). 2A00:23C5:FE0C:2100:8C75:7F2B:41E7:8708 (talk) 18:34, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Split
The list of works is becoming unwieldy, so should be split into a List of works by Margaret Mahy article per, but it needs sources. It's completely unreferenced at the moment. TimofKingsland (talk) 15:25, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
 * See also WP:BIB and consider also Margaret Mahy bibliography.
 * This one is not exceptionally long or unwieldly. (But I don't know how much of her work has been omitted, or how important it is.) If it were, then split would be warranted regardless of quality layout or sourcing. Exhibits: Piers Anthony bibliography; Anne McCaffrey bibliography
 * Anyway I feel strongly that a biography should still cover an author's works. Exhibits: Piers Anthony and Anne McCaffrey represent the extremes here. I am partly responsible for McCaffrey --ie, how much remains in the biography after splitting the bibliography-- and I consider Anthony the heights of ridiculousness. Perhaps the earlier Anthony editors would say vice versa. --P64 (talk) 16:05, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I went with List of works by Margaret Mahy over Margaret Mahy bibliography because the list also contains TV shows. From : "Author bibliographies that contain other types of published works such as music (discography), or film (filmography) in addition to published literature should be called Works of Author." A separate page would meet notability guidelines - "A list topic is considered notable if it has been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources" (WP:LISTN). See here and here as examples of RS discussing her group of works. Also, they mention more than 100 books, 40 novels, and 20 collections of short stories in those articles, so this list is likely to get quite long. I wouldn't be against keeping a short list of her most notable works, such as those listed in the "Selected published works" here. But I don't feel like it's helpful for a reader to have to scroll through a long list of works in a biography, where a short list and a link to the full list for those who are interested would suffice. Stephen King's page only has a link, despite his works being better known, and there being fewer of them. TimofKingsland (talk) 22:52, 24 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Your points are good ones. They include no reason to put "List of" in front of "Works of/by" and I would omit it.
 * Stephen King includes much chronological account of his writing career. Although its organization is different, it's closer to Anne McCaffrey than to Piers Anthony in its overall balance of "life" and "writer" as many author biographies call them. If I were a King editor, I would draft a list of all books (title, publisher, date) --and series by name, if any-- that are mentioned in the prose, as a starting point for what bibliographical data to include there. --P64 (talk) 00:57, 27 July 2012 (UTC)


 * ✅. Point taken about the name. I have created a new, much bigger article, called Works by Margaret Mahy, with references (names like List of works by Margaret Mahy and Margaret Mahy bibliography have been redirected to this page). All works previously mentioned in the section are on this list, and now referenced. I think notable works can be discussed in prose in the career section, but if someone wants to change to, and make a notable books list underneath, I won't be opposed to it.
 * The list could use ISBNs, but I can't be bothered at the moment. It also needs WikiProject ratings. Both of these things have been brought up at . TimofKingsland (talk) 11:55, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Carnegie Medal winner "outside Britain"
Quoting the cited obituary, which is paraphrased in the article:
 * (quote) She won the Carnegie Medal in 1982 and 1984, making her the first writer outside Britain to receive the award.

I guess this is a simple mistake although it may be some cheesy technicality that we should not reproduce.

Ivan Southall of Australia won the 1971 Medal for Josh, first published by Angus & Robertson of Sydney, Australia. They were the first Australian author and first Australian book to be honoured.

The technical cheese might be residence v. nationality, that Mahy was outside Britain 1982/1983 while Southall lived in Britain whenever 1971/1972. It appears to me reading our Start biography that he was already quite well established as a writer, and one webpage emphasizes his 1950s/60s contribution or fame. He may have traveled while retaining an Australian publisher and editor or three. --P64 (talk) 00:57, 27 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Mahy's Medal-winning 1982 book was The Haunting (novel). Among the WorldCat records with 1982 date, one specifies "London; Melbourne; Toronto: J. M. Dent" rather than "London: J. M. Dent" as in the record I have linked to its {infobox book}. I suppose there was no prior New Zealand edition but I have left some comments flagging this point in the article code.
 * P.S. I am passing through our coverage of all Greenaway(done) and Carnegie Medal winners in chron order. Just now 1982, Josh several hours ago. --P64 (talk) 01:21, 27 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Another editor has deleted the claim that she was the first non-Briton medalist.
 * Mahy is one of seven writers to win two Carnegie Medals and the only non-Briton. No one has won three. The rules have permitted repeat winners since sometime 1960s/70s. (If you know/learn when, please tell me/us at Carnegie Medal). --P64 (talk) 01:41, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
 * The Carnegie Medal in Literature says that she was also shortlisted once. I htink that there's room for all this discussion in a subsection of the awards section, properly referenced, of course. Stuartyeates (talk) 02:01, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
 * The CILIP children's shortlists aren't so notable because they comprises 6-10 books, now usually eight. (--which is a Guardian Prize longlist. There are about 40 on the lists of nominations that wikipeditors commonly call longlists.) What you see in the Carnegie article, however, is the "highly commended" runner up for Memory in 1987 and the reference is the one given here. It's more notable than commended runner up and much more notable than shortlist because its so selective.
 * Yet I agree, that HC runner-up belongs only in some Awards section of this biography (presumably in the lead for Memory (novel), if and when). Essentially the first sentence of the Carnegie paragraph belongs in the lead, upon graduation from C grade i say offhand. --P64 (talk) 15:29, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Image
After a few emails, we have been kindly granted permission for three photos of Mahy, one of which I have put into the infobox (after some cropping, colour adjustments, and background blurring). The images are in commons:Category:Margaret Mahy, which is linked to in the external links section now too. TimofKingsland (talk) 05:36, 3 August 2012 (UTC) [Edited by TimofKingsland (talk) 07:00, 3 August 2012 (UTC)]

HCAndersen Medal
Mahy won the so-called-but-not-by-us Little Nobel Prize or Nobel Prize of Children's Literature in 2006, the biennial Hans Christian Andersen Award. I added, as [ref name=ibby2006] currently #2, the entire archive of year 2006 materials at IBBY. See my green remarks above.

Mahy was the New Zealand 2004 nominee and 2002 nominee. To me that doesn't seem worth stating in the article, or not worth documenting. Perhaps there is a New Zealand Board of Books for Young People, responsible for nominations, with online coverage of biennial nominations that may be useful as a source here or elsewhere.

FWIW, if i skim correctly, NZ did not participate prior to 2002 ("Candidates for the Hans Christian Andersen Awards 1956–2002"). That may be useful in coverage of NZ writers or NZ children's lit, not here but elsewhere, especially if one of you spots a 1956 to 2000 nomination that i missed. (I skimmed the whole list for English-language writers but the nature of the source makes that error-prone.) The linked book does somewhere say nomination is a significant expense that many smaller countries undertake only if they have a candidate likely to be strong internationally.

--P64 (talk) 23:19, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

External links modified
Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified one external link on Margaret Mahy. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20120706024842/http://www.storylines.org.nz/Awards/Margaret%20Mahy%20Award.html to http://www.storylines.org.nz/Awards/Margaret%2BMahy%2BAward.html
 * Added tag to http://www.childlitassn.org/images/resources/resources-Children-squo-s_Lit_-_Phoenix_Award_Brochure_2012.pdf

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot  (Report bug) 05:48, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

External links modified
Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified 4 external links on Margaret Mahy. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20120218232220/http://www.canterbury.ac.nz/scholarships/lists/list_ug.shtml to http://www.canterbury.ac.nz/scholarships/lists/list_ug.shtml
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20130731004430/http://www.booksellers.co.nz/awards/new-zealand-post-childrens-book-awards/2003-Awards to http://www.booksellers.co.nz/awards/new-zealand-post-childrens-book-awards/2003-awards
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20120726181436/http://www.booksellers.co.nz/awards/new-zealand-post-childrens-book-awards/winners-2011 to http://www.booksellers.co.nz/awards/new-zealand-post-childrens-book-awards/winners-2011
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20120528110216/http://www.storylines.org.nz/Profiles/Profiles+I-M/Margaret+Mahy.html to http://www.storylines.org.nz/Profiles/Profiles+I-M/Margaret+Mahy.html

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot  (Report bug) 20:39, 10 December 2017 (UTC)