Talk:Margaret Mary Alacoque

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Image
From what I remember there was an image of her on this page. Anyone has any idea where it went? It would be nice to get one again. Thanks. History2007 (talk) 03:29, 30 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I see that there is a now a beautiful image at the lead to the entry. I have to quesiton, however, if it is really of St. Margaret Mary. It was painted 150 years before she was declared a saint, and the clothing worn in the image is nothing like that of the religious habit she wore. My wager is that it was painted as some form of homage to the Blessed Mother or perhaps, though unlikely, to St. Gertrude the Great, an earlier proponent of this devotion. Any one else's thoughts? Daniel the Monk (talk) 20:26, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

Point of View
This page currently has the character of uncritical hagiography. It would be interesting to include more medical/psychiatric analysis, for example the relationship between her cardiac-related visions and her history of rheumatic fever, and the extent of her self-harming. Silverwhistle (talk) 17:46, 17 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Do you have references on those? Thanks. History2007 (talk) 17:55, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

I do not think it would be a lack of neutrality on Wikipedia's part to have the title "Saint" in the article's name. How is this not neutral? Some believe her a saint.

And as for "self-harming", I imagine you are refering to "self-mortification", an extension of asceticism present in many world religions. And I might add that ascetic practices as an aid to self-discipline have rather universal acceptance. And make good practical sense, when in moderation. I would hope that your own "neutral" and "well-researched" viewpoint would not be lack internal criticism. I hope whatever agenda you certain have has not hampered you in your perusals of all relevant literature and sources.

But on a deeper level, Maragret Mary Aloque's work toward spreading devotion to the Sacred Heart of Jesus effects thousands. I only hope any ad hominem errors you might indulge will be met as such. Please, do include scientific proof that her apparitions were "cardiac-related". I am sure that science's ruling that spirits and the like do not exist will help you...

Ah wait, there has never been such a scientific consensus, its conclusion would be internally inconsistent to the field and impossible! Oh dear...

Well, then, I guess I can only "aid" you further on your quest to defame Aloque by prayers. You may want to go after that Wikipedia article next.

35.8.218.53 (talk) 01:30, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Move to St. Margaret Mary?
I think this page should be moved from "Marguerite Marie Alacoque" to "St. Margaret Mary" or "St. Margaret Mary Alacoque" or "St. Marguerite Marie Alacoque". She has been beatified in the Catholic Church, and is most commonly referred to with the nominal prefix. As an American, however, I cannot say if it would be best to title the page with the French or Anglicized spelling. Joliefille (talk) 06:03, 21 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Please see Louis de Montfort and others. Wikipedia does not use saints in titles. History2007 (talk) 08:10, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Move?

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: Moved. EdJohnston (talk) 00:53, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Marguerite Marie Alacoque → Margaret Mary Alacoque – per WP:EN. Relisted. BDD (talk) 17:49, 19 August 2013 (UTC) Pædia 21:33, 10 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Sorry, but NPOV modern sources such as French Music, Culture, and National Identity, 1870-1939 2008 should be preferred to sources such as the 1910 Catholic Encyclopaedia. Also the lead needs fixing per WP:OPENPARA. In ictu oculi (talk) 22:25, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I was referring to resources such as Encyclopædia Britannica, The Columbia Encyclopedia, 6th ed., Oxford Reference, etc. Pædia 05:39, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Hmm, okay, I saw 1910 in the article. But if Oxford Dictionary of the Christian Church is still using the official church name, that's different, though 1647-1690 is getting a little late for a translated name of a non-pope. I'm still inclined by WP:NPOV to secular sources, such as Robert Gildea Children of the Revolution: The French, 1799-1914 2008 - Page 338 "... where Marguerite-Marie Alacoque had received divine instruction in 1689 to have France put under the protection of the Sacred Heart" but in any case WP:OPENPARA and WP:FULLNAME should still be followed in the lead, the beatified name came later and should come second. In ictu oculi (talk) 20:53, 27 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Support, based on WP:UCN. The name "Margaret Mary Alacoque" is most commonly used in English language publications. Bede735 (talk) 12:02, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Support They are correct in that would be adjusting it to the standard form of her name in English, which is shown in how the titles of churches put under her patronage are called, e.g., St. Margaret Mary's Church (Bronx). Daniel the Monk (talk) 19:51, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Joyce and popularity of the devotion
I remember as a student that the nuns regularly pushed the devotion on everyone, often with prayer cards, but also during the annual drive for the missions in Africa, when the prize for successful collectors was a plastic-framed lithograph of the Sacred Heart. Parents hung it on their walls, not out of devotion, but out of pride in their children, and embarassment if Father Pastor should ever come by and not see all the expected religious bric-a-brac. Joyce wasn't commenting on the popularity of the devotion, but perhaps only the ubiquity of the icon. This article is very slanted, with POV problems everywhere. --Vicedomino (talk) 18:33, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

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St. Mary attended the Holy Mass ... with full aattention ... often gazing at the Crucifix ... and at the candle lighted at the altar ... Jesus sacrificed ... me the candle burnt out ... Halleluia
My name is Tiny A D ... really taken up by the one month discourses on Sacred Heart of Jesus ... in YouTube ... by Fr. .... Bing ... 103.166.244.108 (talk) 03:40, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

Opposed to Merging First Friday Mass with St. Margaret Mary
It would be unfortunate if these two topics were merged. While St. Margaret Mary received the vision from Christ, many people interested in the First Friday Devotion have no knowledge that of St. Margaret Mary. 104.136.114.20 (talk) 22:33, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Closing merge proposal, given that no case for it has been made and there is this uncontested objection. Klbrain (talk) 05:37, 13 November 2022 (UTC)