Talk:Margaret Stanley, Countess of Derby

Untitled
isnt this portrait disputed? 18.173.1.125 (talk) 16:29, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Portrait
This portrait is apparently of her mother, Lady Eleanor; please see: National Portrait Gallery, London -- Lady Meg (talk) 06:47, 27 November 2011 (UTC) Also, the use of arms in the portrait depicts solely the Duke of Suffolk's arms on the right half and the arms of Henry Clifford on the left. Lady Margaret's arms would have been her father's with a possible quarter or part of the Brandon arms represented; but not a full side as she was not a Brandon, her mother was. -- Lady Meg (talk) 09:04, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
 * The portrait is still disputed, please see this article on it at the Tate Collection homepage. The arms were quite possibly added long after the painting was done, when it was not actually known anymore who the sitter was.--Feuerrabe (talk) 12:43, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Perhaps we should note that it is either her or her mother (or unidentified). I was wondering about the coat of arms, whether or not it could have been added later. So the Tate Gallery has it as unidentified while the National Gallery has the sketch identified as Lady Eleanor. The Tate entry is sourced as: The Tate Gallery 1984-86: Illustrated Catalogue of Acquisitions Including Supplement to Catalogue of Acquisitions 1982-84, Tate Gallery, London 1988; 23 years ago. The painting is called Lady Eleanor three times; in 1866, 1919 and 1927. Only once is it identified as Lady Margaret which was in 1890. What does everyone think? -- Lady Meg (talk) 21:38, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
 * It's apparently not really discernable today who the portrait depicts and probably never will be. I think it would be best to make that clear in the article. 'Possibly Lady Margarer or her mother, Lady Eleanor' as a caption maybe?--Feuerrabe (talk) 21:43, 27 November 2011 (UTC)