Talk:Margaux Hemingway/Archive 1

discussion
How is this nonencylopedic? It is factual information that may be of interest to the reader. As time permits, this sort of stuff should be added to many other actors and actresses. But I'm happy to hear your point of view. -Nydigovoth


 * Alexander, this kind of information does not belong in an encyclopedia article. If you have a problem with this, please bring it up on Village Pump and the Wiki community can discuss it with you. -- Viajero 21:44, 25 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Why can't you discuss it? It is a simple matter of factual relavant information? -Nydigovoth


 * Actually, I'm interested in this one. Appearing naked in a film is a defining moment for many female actors (and indeed male actors) - often done when trying to break into a new role, or out of a rut. Still, I think we should have a proper paragraph on the subject - perhaps discussing her motivation for appearing nude, what made her do it, what critics said in response. That would be genuinely interesting and encyclopedic. What do you think, Nydigovoth? Martin 23:47, 11 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Ketchum, Idaho
The current text indicates that Margaux Hemingway 'grew up on her grandfather's farm in Ketchum, Idaho.' I don't believe that Ernest Hemingway owned a farm--or even significant acreage--in Idaho. Is this a ref. to a maternal grandfather? If so, shouldn't he be identified? 199.99.150.25 20:02, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Ernest Hemingway owned a ranch in Idaho, which he bought after he had to leave Cuba when Castro came to power. That is where Ernest Hemingway committed suicide. The ranch is still owned in a residual trust by the Hemingway family, and Ernest's son Patrick Hemingway lives there now.—207.69.137.37 22:39, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

1955 or 1954
The article says that she is born in 1954, whilst http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000029/ and others say 1955. Can this be checked. Thanks. Found the date of her birth on http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=2185, which means that this article is correct and the imdb is not. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.245.219.110 (talk) 19:59, 15 April 2007 (UTC).


 * 1954 is correct according to the California death index. Crisso (talk) 19:12, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Spelling of Margaux
This is a small, semantic question, but if her given name is Margaux, how can she be said to have "returned" to spelling it Margot? Yukonklondike (talk) 03:26, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

On page 281 of his book "Misadventures of a Flyfisherman" Jack Hemingway says this about the naming his daughter: "............healthy female child for whom we chose the name Margot Byra.  Margot was the Medieval French Queen and a favorite of Papa's whose name he borrowed for use in his story, "The Short Happy Life Of Francis Macomber."...." I would guess the naming after a Winery was more of a publicity ploy than reality. 07:39 1 Jul, 2009  ItsFinnAgain

Margaux's Complicated Family Relationships
The article mentions that late in her life, Margaux Hemingway alleged that she had been molested as a child by a godfather. Her father and stepmother responded to this by shunning her for two years. Her stepmother Angela claimed that Margaux "lied all the time" and that nobody in the family would have anything to do with her because of this.

Although it's probably impossible to ever know the truth of this matter, I'd like to suggest that an estranged stepmother is probably not the best source of unbiased information about her adult stepchildren. It also seems particularly tragic that Margaux was shunned and automatically accused of lying when she had made a difficult disclosure. Was the disclosure true? Unquestionably, she thought it was. Younggoldchip (talk) 21:44, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

bit her own tongue off
isnt she the actress that in a drug induced state bit part of her own tongue off? and if so it should be in the article--68.231.15.56 (talk) 00:23, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
 * she had a speech impediment thereafter and at the time of her death it was speculated that her depressed suicide was partially caused by--68.231.15.56 (talk) 00:25, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
 * "...After she almost bit off her tongue during an epileptic seizure triggered by booze ..."http://www.eonline.com/news/33488/coroner-says-margaux-hemingway-killed-herself--68.231.15.56 (talk) 00:27, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

suicide?
I quote the article: 'She committed suicide' and 'Cause of death Suicide by drug overdose' and 'her family had difficulty accepting the fact of her suicide'. However, police found no note or other evidence of suicide. One might describe this as leaving the cause of Hemingway's death a protracted mystery. Of course we know that Ernest Hemingway had killed himself. His father, brother and sister had also died at their own hands. So I might speculate. However, nevertheless, I wonder what brings us to call this cause of death 'the fact of her suicide', as opposed to a speculation. I'm thinking that a series of toxicology tests cannot establish 'the fact of her suicide', even if they can confirm the presence of a massive dose of a sedative in her system. Indeed, Hemingway's body had decomposed so badly that pathologists could not obtain a standard blood sample. So what do we really claim to know, here, in terms of details of the circumstances surrounding her death? For example, there is no hint in the article or anywhere else, to my knowledge, that she was saying 'I would like to kill myself' or 'It would be better if I was dead'. I think it seems relevant, that there was no telltale sign of suicide. I mean, this much, we all agree about, right? No note, no anything. Note that I'm not particularly interested in my opinions about this particular case, but about 100 cases like it. There are many cases like it on wiki. I know that Margaux Hemingway had an erratic career derailed by alcoholism, depression and bulimia, if that's relevant, and I know that she had an overbite, if that's relevant. I also know that this has been described as a suspicious death. My best suggestion is to look at what L.A. coroner's office concluded, and I think this matter seems rather garbled in the article. There is something about how 'the amount was consistent with an intentional overdose', as reported by the New York Times, and this came under a New York Times headline about 'suicide', but I incline to scrutinize this. Did the coroner's office say 'suicide', or is that just a paraphrase? Maybe the coroner gave a little thought to exactly how they wanted to put it, and heck, maybe so should we. Look, *I* think she committed suicide. But whose opinion are we getting in the article? If we are focusing on what the police actually said, then they said that she was found with a pillow underneath her legs and a book on her lap, and had candles lit at the moment of her death. I won't insist that these are unusual circumstances for somebody committing suicide, I'm not looking at this in terms of every mistake that can conceivably be made in suicide investigation, I just wonder who is making the assumption, here, about Margaux Hemingway? The manner of death may be important in determining suicidal intent. Let us agree, that people who hang themselves or jump to their deaths certainly have indicated an intention to take their lives. Similarly, deaths that involve a combination of methods, such as poisoning, shooting, slashing of wrists, inhaling gas, etc. show an extreme desire to die. This is all maybe interesting to consider or maybe not, but somebody has to consider it, and the final determination of suicide is made by .. whom? DanLanglois (talk) 08:49, 30 October 2017 (UTC)