Talk:Marianne and Juliane

Content removal
This article should focus on the film, not on the director. I thus removed the excessive information about von Trotta (again). Huon (talk) 21:33, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Deleted gloss on title
There was a lengthy paragraph explaining the title with reference to the atmosphere of the Germany in the 1970s. As the German article on the film makes clear (and the claim is referenced with a link to an interview with the von Trotta), the title was used in reference to the 50s. Omicron18 (talk) 19:07, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Requested move 5 September 2015

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The result of the move request was: No move. Cúchullain t/ c 13:26, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

Marianne and Juliane → Marianne & Juliane – That's how the title is rendered.  F i l m F a n  13:16, 5 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Oppose No it isn't. Rotten Tomatoes uses the current title, as does the NY Times and the Encyclopedia of Contemporary German Culture, amongst many, many other sources.  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 13:29, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
 * The sources using the correct rendering easily outweigh your sources, and RT isn't a RS.  F i l m F a n  13:53, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Wrong. Again.  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 08:35, 9 September 2015 (UTC)


 * comment the poster/video cover presents the ampersand but I'd want more evidence of other usage. GregKaye 21:22, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Actually, Greg, I am presenting the German film poster with its native German title, Die Bleierne Zeit. George Ho (talk) 03:21, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
 * George Ho I am not sure how best to translate "Die Bleierne Zeit" but it certainly doesn't work as "Marianne and Juliane". GregKaye 06:31, 13 September 2015 (UTC)


 * By the way, oppose using "&". Most books from Google Books use "and", abiding to WP:NCUE. George Ho (talk) 03:21, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
 * How is this related to WP:NCUE? The QWERTY Keyboard layout commonly used for writing in the English language uses [shift 7] for "&"?  I don't see any more reason not to use "&" than not to use "~", "£", "$" and "%".  GregKaye 07:03, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Also shown in WP:UE, many English sources use "and" instead of "&" for the German film. Umm... the film is out of stock and not yet released in English-speaking territories. However, German DVD releases use just the native German title. Rather than use just the out-of-stock VHS copy that uses "&", we must rely on books and news articles that mention this German film. Here are sources, Greg; die bleierne zeit, Marianne juliane, german sisters. Somehow, Marianne and Juliane and The German Sisters are widely used by sources. If we can't use the German title, then pick either English title. But the "and" stays as very little or no sources use "&". George Ho (talk) 16:29, 13 September 2015 (UTC)


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