Talk:Marie Ismaël-Garcin

Marie Garcin

 * This section has been copied from Talk:Jean-Vital Jammes. – Voceditenore (talk) 19:28, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

I have a photograph of Marie Garcin correctly sourced. Everybosy in his family and to the scene as to the city knew "Rose Françoise Marie Garcin" as "Marie". Jean GUERIN - Paris (talk) 22:06, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

The relationship between Jean-Vital and Marie began in 1876 approximately. Jean-Vital had been living separate from Alceste Couriot since at least 1855 (their married on 24 january 1852 at "La guillotière", today a neighborhood of Lyon). But French law authorized divorce only in June 1884. This is why Jean-Vital divorced only on 30 march 1885 and remarried immediately with Marie Garcin. On 30 march 1885, Jean-Vital not even knew where Alceste inhabited ... I have all papers ,ecessary to prove these points.

Jean GUERIN - Paris (talk) 23:34, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

After his marriage with Jean-Vital, Marie was knowm at stage as "Mme Ismaël-Garcin" (see articles of newspapers in Commons) and at the city, she was "Mme Ismaël" Jean GUERIN - Paris (talk) 18:33, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Hi Voce, Never heard about "Dinorah" ! Bravo ! I will soon produce more documents about Marie, so, we will began the article "Marie Ismaël-Garcin" ! :) Sincerely yours, Jean GUERIN - Paris (talk) 16:18, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Etienne Destrange (1893) gives interesting details about Marie : Jean GUERIN - Paris (talk) 17:35, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Marie 'première chanteuse légère" retires on April 1889, after bad performance in Le roi d'Ys. This retirement was final, in accordance with familial tradition (p. 426).
 * On page 451, we have an indication about the earnings of Marie : 3 000 to 4 000 gold francs per month.

Musical career of Marie Garcin, then Marie Ismaël-Garcin, as "chanteuse légère"
His career is currently very badly known : Jean GUERIN - Paris (talk) 00:04, 25 February 2012 (UTC) Jean GUERIN - Paris (talk) 00:15, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Birth in 1859 - First, his father Louis Garcin was a poor farm hand and Rose Girard his mother a mender of straw chairs, two of them of unknown father. Then, Louis became, as pedicure in the center of Marseille, a petty bourgeois. So, Marie had a good education, with preceptors at home and her parents could send her to Paris in order to learn music. Source to come Jean GUERIN - Paris (talk) 10:30, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
 * 1876 or 1877 - Arrives in Paris and encounters Jean-Vital as her professor (at the Conservatory ?) (essentially familial memory) - Jean-Vital is married, but "séparé de corps"
 * 1877-1880 - Bordeaux ??? Lille / Angers / Alger ??? Gand ?
 * 1880-1881 - Beginnings in Marseille (attested by archives of "Grand Theatre")
 * 1881-1882 - Season in Theater of Geneve
 * 1882-1885 ??? (Perhaps Geneve ?)
 * 1885 - 18 April - Marriage (not possible before, because divorce became legal in 1884 in France) - Becomes Marie Ismaël-Garcin
 * 1885-1886 - Toulouse (Faust affair with Alceste)
 * 1886-1887 - Toulouse ? or Marseille ?
 * 1887-1888 - Marseille - Attested by "Marseille Artiste"
 * 1888-1889 - Nantes - Théâtre Graslin - Final Retirement in April 1889 (Is seems to be a sudden enough problem of voice).


 * Hi Voce,
 * Thank you very much for beginnong this article about Marie Garcin ! I shall go on bringing information. Very concretely, she remained active in social an musical life of Marseille to ... 1914. She was then ruined by WW1, like many wealthy annuitants in France ! Before 1914, as I know, she completed her comfortable incomes by giving piano lessons in is villa. I sold "the" piano about 1998, something like 30 €. As many XIXth century pianos, it had a wooden frame ... ;)
 * Sincerely yours,
 * Jean GUERIN - Paris (talk) 20:07, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Elements of personal life
Jean-Vital and Marie never had any child. Neither Jean-Vital with Alceste nor other else known. In 1898, Marie became the godmother of a little girl, Marie-Rose. Then, in 1929, Marie adopted Marie-Rose (1898-1994) Jean GUERIN - Paris (talk) 09:24, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

New source : Marseille Artiste 1887
In Wikimedia Commons, Catégorry Marie Garcin - Jean GUERIN - Paris (talk) 11:08, 27 February 2012 (UTC)