Talk:Marie Lloyd/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: Pyrotec (talk · contribs) 16:43, 15 April 2013 (UTC)


 * I will review this nomination. Pyrotec (talk) 16:43, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Initial comments

 * Now reviewing. Sorry for the delay. Pyrotec (talk) 16:33, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
 * No worries, welcome back! --  Cassianto Talk   01:35, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much, I booked and took a late-availability holiday in Norway (five days before departure), so it was quite cheep. Pyrotec (talk) 20:06, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

I've now read through the article, once, quite quickly and I've glanced at the references, but not checked them at all. On this basis, my impression is that this article is probably at GA-level and perhaps well on the way to being at FA, but I will not be assessing it against WP:FAC, only against the requirements of WP:WIAGA. Pyrotec (talk) 20:06, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Tomorrow, I'll start to work my way through the article in a bit more depth, beginning at the Biography section and finishing with the Lead. This will probably take a few days, but my aim is to have this review finished by, or during, the weekend.

...stopping for now. To be continued tomorrow. Pyrotec (talk) 20:06, 7 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Biography -
 * Family background and early life & Early career and first marriage -
 * On the basis for my review, these two subsection appear to be compliant with WP:WIAGA. I merely added one wikilink to injunction.


 * 1890s -
 * Possibly, it's a typo, but this subsection twice in the second paragraph of Drury Lane and success refers to "Courtney" but elsewhere "Courtenay", as in Percy Charles Courtenay, is used.
 * Well spotted! Now changed. --  Cassianto Talk   19:03, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Pyrotec (talk) 20:34, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

...stopping for now. To be continued. Pyrotec (talk) 19:00, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
 * This subsection is now regarded as being compliant. Pyrotec (talk) 20:34, 11 May 2013 (UTC)


 * 1900s -
 * Just a comment, the link in the second line to coster goes to a Surname disambig-page, I assume the intended usage is Costermonger?
 * Yes it should be, and now is. I have tweaked this slightly. --   Cassianto Talk   22:35, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
 * This subsection appears to be compliant.


 * Later years -
 * This subsection appears to be compliant.

...stopping for now. To be continued. Pyrotec (talk) 20:54, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Decline and death -
 * This subsection appears to be compliant.


 * WP:Lead -
 * Quite a good lead, which both introduces the topic of the article and summarises the main points, as per WP:Lead. Pyrotec (talk) 18:29, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Overall summary
GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria An informative, well-referenced and well-illustrated article on the life and works of Marie Lloyd.
 * 1) Is it reasonably well written?
 * A. Prose quality:
 * B. MoS compliance for lead, layout, words to watch, fiction, and lists:
 * 1) Is it factually accurate and verifiable?
 * A. Has an appropriate reference section:
 * B. Citation to reliable sources where necessary:
 * C. No original research:
 * 1) Is it broad in its coverage?
 * A. Major aspects:
 * B. Focused:
 * 1) Is it neutral?
 * Fair representation without bias:
 * 1) Is it stable?
 * No edit wars, etc:
 * 1) Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?
 * A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid fair use rationales are provided for non-free content:
 * B. Images are provided if possible and are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions:
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass or Fail:
 * 1) Is it stable?
 * No edit wars, etc:
 * 1) Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?
 * A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid fair use rationales are provided for non-free content:
 * B. Images are provided if possible and are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions:
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass or Fail:
 * B. Images are provided if possible and are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions:
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass or Fail:
 * Pass or Fail:

I'm pleased to be able to award this article GA-status. As per my comments, near the start of this review, I believe that this article has strong potential as a WP:FAC. Congratulations on a fine article. Pyrotec (talk) 18:29, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Once again, thank you for the review Pyrotec and for the shiny green circle. Your thoughts and praise make the effort and research all the more worthwhile. --   Cassianto Talk   20:15, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Marie Lloyd Jr
I have removed the image of Marie Lloyd Jr from the article because she is not mentioned anywhere in the text and because Marie Lloyd had no children as far as I am aware and this woman was born when Lloyd was 14 so can't be her daughter anyway. Jack1956 (talk) 07:03, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
 * "Marie Lloyd had no children as far as I am aware . . ."
 * See the article text
 * "In October 1888, Lloyd returned from maternity leave . . ."
 * and
 * "In 1896, Lloyd sailed to South Africa with her daughter, who appeared as Little Maudie Courtenay on the same bill as her mother.[100]" {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 212.95.237.92 (talk) 13:34, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Didn't spot that - image reinstated. Jack1956 (talk) 14:07, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Jim Callaghan
Is it worth mentioning that James Callaghan wrongly attributed the song Waiting at the Church to her, in a controversial speech in 1978? PatGallacher (talk) 15:58, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
 * No, I think we are verging on trivia with that. Cassianto talk 00:09, 19 June 2014 (UTC)