Talk:Marie Séraphique

Attribution of opinions
Morning and thanks for writing this article. Just a quick note: the DYK hook relies on a quote, saying that the picture is "the most accurate contemporary picture of conditions...". However, that quote is not attributed to anyone in the article, and it is clearly a matter of opinion rather than an absolute fact, so it needs to be attributed per MOS:QUOTEPOV. Note that this attribution doesn't have to go in the hook, but it does need to be present in the article text. Please could you add some detail on who said it? Thanks &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 09:51, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
 * , Hi, the quote comes from Radburn, the main source in the article. He works at Lancaster University as a lecturer of The Atlantic World 1500-1800. It is this fellow . Desertarun (talk) 09:58, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
 * great, thanks. If it's OK, I've tweaked it to add slightly more detail than just "Radburn", so that readers can judge what the origin of the quote is. Pinging reviewer and promoter as well, just for future reference - if something is written as a quote, it's worth checking in the article as to whether the quote is attributed. Cheers.  &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 10:04, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
 * That looks good, thanks. Desertarun (talk) 10:06, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

Minor technical detail
Assuming the painting depicting it is accurate, Marie Séraphique was a brig, not a ship. This won't affect most of the categories the article fits under, but in describing the vessel itself, the article might well be corrected. For people who care about this kind of thing, the brig's smaller size would reduce its speed a bit and its reward-to-risk ratio by something more, but would enable it to enter shallower waters and worse harbors. This is a bit surprising because the major Atlantic maritime powers had not abolished the slave trade yet, and would not for several decades, so speed should have been much more important than nimbleness when Marie Séraphique was built. Scutigera (talk) 01:13, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
 * The source in the article says it is rigged like a snow (ship). It doesn't say definitively it is a snow, however, nor does it say it is a brig. If we had to choose snow or brig I'd probably go with snow, but I don't know enough to be certain. Desertarun (talk) 08:42, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

She is neither a ship nor a brig. There is no doubt that she is a snow from the pictures used here. No other rig has a trysail mast immediately abaft the mainmast. The article "Snow (ship)" is misleadingly named as it implies to the unknowledgeable that a snow is a ship, which is not the case. It is, rather, a sailing vessel of which snows and ships are two entirely different varieties. Technically, snows, ships, brigs and so on are clearly distinguished. The term "snow" should be used here for accuracy, and "slaver" or "slaving vessel" should be used if you want to describe her use without misleading.Cliff (talk) 15:15, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

I concur; I should have magnified the picture before I decided to call it a brig. That's what I get for Wikiing under the influence of sleeplessness. Scutigera (talk) 00:33, 16 September 2021 (UTC)