Talk:Marie Vassiltchikov

Female surname
Should be like Alla Pugacheva with "a" on the end. Alexander Mayorov (talk) 17:15, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Edit reverted without any explanation
" who was acquainted with some of the people who plotted to kill Adolf Hitler in the July 20 Plot, but was not directly involved in the plot itself." - Not encyclopedic, not sourced. Not a reason for her to be known. Does not belong in sentence 1, see wp:Lead. There were literally thousands who knew many of the conspirators. I'll take this out later today unless there is a reason it belongs.Unfriend13 (talk) 21:00, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I was not involved with the article but know that she IS known for that, and for writing the book about it which is a document. The "literally thousands" didn't write a book. Feel free to phrase it better, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:14, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
 * wp:NOR - The correct phrasing is omission. Now, saying she is known for writing a book based on her diaries that included her knowledge of the conspirators makes sense...with a source.  But no, knowing some of the conspirators doesn't cut it.Unfriend13 (talk) 21:19, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

Advert and inadequate sources
Article appears to be an advertisement for the book... her association with the conspirators is placed in sentence 1, the article rhapsodizes on her diaries and the aristocracy. - Unfriend13 (talk) 21:12, 27 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Marie Vassiltchikov was a Russian member of the Romanov family who was instrumental in the plot to kill Hitler. She was well known in Europe and worked with Adam von Trott du Salz, who was executed for the conspiracy. Her diary is considered the best account from within that conspiracy and also is one of the best accounts of the bombing of Berlin. The diary has been optioned by Ang Lee who is trying to develop a movie.  So, no, it's not an advertisement to write about her, or her sister, who was the head of the European Red Cross for decades. I think it's one of those cases where people unfamiliar with that period might think her only claim to fame is the book. In reality, she is a significant historical figure who is known outside of Europe because of her book. Therefore, I'd request the banner about advertisement be taken off.


 * Oakbranch (talk) 05:02, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

Source does not mention this individual
There is no mention of her here, and the archive.org does not have a copy - unless there is a subtle mention and someone identifies it, I will drop this link. Unfriend13 (talk) 21:17, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

Sources do mention this individual

 * NY Times, NY Review of Books, Time Magazine, Wiley Library study: Bombed and Silenced: Foreign Witnesses of the Air War in Germany


 * "Bombed and Silenced: Foreign Witnesses of the Air War in Germany: Writers like Curzio Malaparte, Louis‐Ferdinand Céline, Kurt Vonnegut or Marie Vassiltchikov developed rhetorical and poetical means for representing the destruction without succumbing to the faults that Sebald diagnosed in most German writers, who repressed, stylised or banalised it."


 * Vassiltchikov's diary is one of the few insider accounts of the 20 July Plot including Adam von Trott zu Solz's involvement. It also documents Hitler's destruction of the European aristocracy during WWII, the Bombing of Berlin in World War II, SS Einsatzgruppen war criminal, Franz Six's involvement in the German foreign ministry, Wannsee Conference participant Roland Freisler's role in convicting the 20 July plotters. There's much more; too much to list here, but it's not available elsewhere; even in Christabel Bielenberg's account of the 20 July plot in which she does mention Vassiltchikov. I'm requesting that we remove the caveats from this article. If it needs to be rewritten, that's one thing. But the author is well known and worth an entry. The challenges to it don't show much effort at research, as she is easy to find.


 * There was also her sister who ran the International Red Cross and wrote a book about it. There was Franz Six's trial at Nuremberg. There were Americans who begged Adam von Trott du Solz, a descendant of founding father, John Jay, to escape the Nazis while he could, something Vassiltchikov documents and wouldn't have known at the time without hearing it from him. There was her account of Stauffenberg's aide who carried out the bombing with him, and was her friend - her diary may be the only information available about him.


 * Unfriend, who challenged this article, is retired... I'm taking off the caveats.   Oakbranch (talk) 04:49, 5 August 2019 (UTC)