Talk:Marin Držić

A subtle issue
Dubrovnik was an independent city for most of its existence, up to the XIX century, and I think it's rushy to claim he was Croatian. The reason he is being called Croatian is Dubrovnik now belongs to Croatia, and additionally that he has a Slavic name. This Slavic name however could have belonged to a mass of Slavic peoples. For example, he could have been Serb, or Montenegrin, or Bosniak, or whatever he liked. Unless there is a valid historic document in which he is mentioned as Croat, my humble opinion is that he should be labeled as "Ragusan", or "Dubrovnikian", or whatever it's valid in English language. 212.200.83.144 23:24, 22 August 2007 (UTC)


 * he spoke croatian and in his plays, ragusan people think of the dalmatians and bosnians as their own people("nasinci"- dundo maroje, novela od stanca,...), while none of the peoples east of dubrovnik have been labeled such. also all the countries surrounding dubrovnik at the present consider him a croat. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.0.105.24 (talk • contribs) 4 March 2008

In the Dubrovnik Vjesnik this week (10/11/2008), there is a letter written by him in Italian and signed Marino Darsa. The article says it's a letter by Marin Drzic signed Marin Drzic... Not so subtle.

Debona.michel (talk) 08:56, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
 * About a half of classical Dubrovnik writers never stated their "national"/language affiliation, and about a half explicitely call it Croatian (either "Illyrian", "Dalmatian" etc.) or put it into Croatian cultural matrix. This blab abut Montenegrin/Serb is the usual Serb misappropriation of highly-prestigeous Dubrovnik cultural heritage (Renaissance and Baroque writers of the Republic are among the pinnacle of literary production in any Slavic language!)."Croatian Shakespeare" has not yet been valorized enough both in Croatian and foreign literatures, though a lot has been going on when it comes to that in the last 20-30 years (thanks god that that are people such as S.P. Novak ^_^].
 * He likely signed as Marino Darsa in Italian documents, In Latin prob. something similar. As for the Slavic works - I've just put 2 cover pages of his plays, one of them printed in Vencice having a strange mixutre of Slavic genitive (Marin-a Darxich-a) in Italian text ^_^ --Ivan Štambuk (talk) 12:16, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Still remained the question about the name. Why do'nt use Marino Darsa, which is the best english reader-friendly name????--Theirrulez (talk) 16:08, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry, WP:COMMONNAME.


 * Hang on, "best english reader-friendly name"?? So let me get this straight, you we're supposed to rename articles and write different leads according to what you personally think is the "best English-friendly language", which of course, happens to be Italian - your language. rofl -- DIREKTOR  ( TALK ) 16:19, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

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