Talk:Mario/Archive 5

Fourth Archive
This talk page was 83 kilobytes long, so I created the fourth archive, which contains comments between November '06 and September '07. Useight 22:31, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Main image
I replaced the main image to his brawl appearence. I know there is an ongoing fight about it, but it is the best image avalible, showing him. It is perfect because its recent, from nintendo, and not fan art. Blumonkeyboy 17:51, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
 * This image has been changed several times in the last couple of days. Let's not get into a 3RR here and instead have a discussion on which image should be used.  I, personally, prefer the traditional image over the Smash Bros. Brawl image because it's cleaner and crisper looking, however this is an open discussion.  Useight 18:31, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

I agree about not having a fight, but what do you mean cleaner and crisper? Blumonkeyboy 01:07, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I was referring to the extra little lines on the image that are out of place. The image is not there now, but I believe they were near his hands and feet.  Useight 02:09, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Twins
This article claims that Mario is older than Luigi, but in other places claims they are twins. This is probably the fault of the games, where both have been used, but the article needs to be consistent. So which one should be used? (Animedude 01:11, 6 September 2007 (UTC))
 * Both, as long as they are referenced. Judgesurreal777 14:52, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

The article does NOT need to be consistent so long as an explanation for the inconsistency is given. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.162.196.173 (talk) 14:25, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

No offence, but you are the only person I have ever heard of that doesn't know that Mario is Luigi's older brother. Zeeco 00:16, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I know that Mario is older in numerous media, including the cartoon, the movies and many of the games. But in Super Mario World 2: Yoshi Island (and other places), he is refeered to as Luigi's "twin". I just wanted to know which should be used for the article. I never said I didnt know. (Animedude 07:48, 8 September 2007 (UTC))
 * Judgesurreal is right, use both with reference to sources since Mario has been described as both the older brother and the twin brother of Luigi in offical Nintendo material. Cigraphix 15:32, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
 * If Mario is referred to as Luigi's twin in Yoshi's Island, then the article must state that he is referred to as Luigi's twin in Yoshi's Island. If he's referred to as the older brother in other materials, then the article must also state that he's referred to as the older bro in other materials. There's no reason to generalize. Kariteh 15:37, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
 * You know, even with twins, one is older than the other. Theoretically Mario could be the older of the two twins, being a few minutes older than Luigi.  However, I don't know if that really is the case.  I do know that Mario has always been considered the older brother. Even though he is shorter  Useight 20:00, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

i dont know what to do really.Mariofan1000 15:17, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

I think it should all be referenced and be stated in the beginning. Then he should be noted as the older sibling because of todays media. Mario was a Mexican when first introduced but now he's Italian. So why not keep his profile as the older brother.--[[User:SxeFluff|SxeFluff 22:42, 24 September 2007 (UTC)]]5:43, 24 September 2007

I very well know the reason that Mario was the older brother. In Yoshi's Island, Yoshi opened his bag before Kamek opened Luigi's Talio17 11:58, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

In the comics from Nintendo Comics System, in issue 3, page 29, there is a feature called "Mario's Family Album", which depits Luigi as being a few years younger than Mario (I believe this is also the first appearance of Baby versions of either character). 75.129.168.18 07:27, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

I think that they are fraternal twins, as in Brother and... well, Brother in this case. It simply refers to the fact that they are siblings.Sacredfire059 17:18, 7 December 2007

Though there is evidence in the games that Mario and Luigi are twins it is generally accepted that Mario is older than Luigi. This likely stems from Mario first appearing in 1981 and Luigi in 1985 TehSpud (talk) 01:31, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

For the most part, games say that Mario is older then Luigi, but it wouldn't hurt to say "its debatable" —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kperfekt722 (talk • contribs) 18:17, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Really, it wouldn't hurt to say outright that it's inconsistent. The Mario "canon" contains many inconsistencies due to being written by many different authors who weren't concerned with continuity from one game, cartoon, etc. to another; no need for us to try to make up reasons to gloss over these gaps or try to make the story "believable". D. J. Cartwright (talk) 18:24, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Luigi's trophy in Super Smash Brother's Brawl states Luigi as Mario's younger twin. That's the general thought. They are twins, Mario came out first, hence he's the older brother/twin. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.190.34.219 (talk) 21:36, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

the guy above me is right —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.148.190.252 (talk) 01:20, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

King of Town as Mario
What happened to that part? --Hpme2dastar123 00:46, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Was it ever in the article? KoT dressing up as Mario for Halloween in a single isn't that signifigant. (For anyone who has no idea what I'm talking about, read Homestar Runner.) &mdash; Malcolm (talk) 21:08, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't recall that part ever being in this article. Useight 22:13, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I don't think that needs to be added --Ducky4168 (talk) 19:34, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

reseption?
couldnt there a reseption section to his games and him?i mean gt countdown sayed he was the best game charator ever!that has to be included. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mariofan1000 (talk • contribs) 09:09, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Good old Mario image
I want that good old mario image back in the infobox! you know, the one with mario giving the thumbs up. That image is better! Shadowbean 19:17, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

what one?Mariofan1000 19:44, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

You should make a link to the picture ,if you have it, so we can see and vote on it. --[[User:SxeFluff|SxeFluff 22:35, 24 September 2007 (UTC)]]
 * [[Image:Mario No Background.png|This]]. It's been deleted because it was a fair use image that was not used in any articles. Really doesn't matter either way, anyway. &mdash; Malcolm (talk) 22:44, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Does he mean this one? This 82.33.160.8 05:23, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes! THAT is the image i am talking about that the User:82.33.160.8 posted. I thought he was giving two thumbs up but i was wrong. lol Why can't we have that one back in the info box? it looks to be more polished and clear then the one we have now. I think it would make the article better. (sorry i did'nt post for a long time-been busy)Shadowbean 00:01, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Agreed-Talio17 11:54, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Advertisement tagging
This page was tagged as being written like an advertisement about a month ago by Nofelix (a user with no subsequent edits). Is this tag still considered appropriate for the article? None of it reads like an ad to me, but I'm an admitted Nintendo fanboy. Gtg204y 17:26, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Coins can be of some importance
I thing they should have included something about Mario getting coins on his adventures for profits as well as his toy company. Talio17 11:55, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

I think so too. MarioPraiser (talk) 22:54, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Disagree Coins and the Mario toy company have little to do with Mario as a character. Spud  Hai/watidone 16:19, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

The if your reading this1 Yeah you! delete this Topic(. (talk) 06:50, 4 January 2009 (UTC))

Mario Segali
Why is it that Mario Segali redirects to this article? He is/was a real man, who Mario was named after. Granted, I doubt there is much relevant information available on him but you'd think he could at least be mentioned somewhere in the Mario article his name redirects to... MatttK 05:42, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

My best guess is that there isn't enough information on him to be significant to wikipedia users. Talio17 12:36, 12 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Mario Segali was the owner of the offices of the first premises of the offices of Nintendo of America. In the time of its residence there, Nintendo of America considered a name for its popular Jumpman, the greater personage of Donkey Kong. Jumpman was a plumber with a red cap, and a great moustache. The creative equipment, proposing new names, was put to compare Jumpman with the owner of that premises. They realized of which Mario Segali and Jumpman looked like. They put the name to him of Mario and thus it was. http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mario_Segali Mylungsarempty (talk) 07:03, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

SMG Image
Since Super Mario Galaxy is out, should the SMG image of Mario be used as the main image in the article? It is from a game that is in the canon of the series, which would actually make it a better candidate for the main image than the current one, which is from NSMB, which part of the canon, but is no longer the most current game in the canon of the series. I also think that the SMG image looks nicer, but that's just my opinion. - K ULSHRAX 23:46, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm sure If we could find a one with Mario standing still someone could upload and add the tags and all the other stuff... But I think we'd better stick to this one for a while until the new one is found. Uch  iha  23  02:16, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

The Wages of Fear
right|100px| Folco Lulli as Luigi in an interesting coincidence, the 1953 movie The Wages of Fear had two main characters name Mario & Luigi. Luigi looked very much like the future character of the same name. --Deflective (talk) 12:48, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Luigi.jpg
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luigis manson
luigis manson should not be in the mario main series at the bottom, it has barley anything to do with mario, its about luigi.Vadahata2 (talk) 15:46, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

You obviously haven't played that game all the way through, have you? Who was Luigi trying to save? Mario. Who was trapped in the painting by King Boo? Mario. If you ask me, it's just as much Mario's game as it is Luigi's. Oh, and learn to speak English properly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.20.70.173 (talk) 07:06, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Who was saving mario, luigi.Who is on the front off the box, luigi. We wouldn't put all the main mario games as peach's games because mario was trying to save her, and i belive that it was removed from the main series.Vadahata2 00:42, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Luigi's Mansion was a spin-off. face it. just like Wario. Super Princess Peach involved her saving Mario but that one wouldn't count either would it? Madhatter9max (talk) 22:17, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

But if it isn't part of the Mario series, and Luigi doesn't have a series, should it be put by itself? Pezzar (talk) 01:52, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Luigi's Mansion is generally lumped into a group of misc Mario Spinoffs like: Super Princess Peach or DDR Mario Mix. TehSpud (talk) 01:18, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

yeah, once he starts getting more games to himself like Wario though he will have them listed on his page.Madhatter9max (talk) 18:40, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia pageview survey
I am a high school student that is taking part on a survey involving Wikipedia. I want Wikipedians to reply to this post and say what country they are from as well as their age group (youth, teens, 20s, 30s, etc.). This way, I will be able to see what group of people view certain Wikipedia pages. Any replies will help.

I know this is probably not the place to put a survey, but it's better than putting it on the main page. So, maybe you could reply before you delete this? Please?

Thanks, Xnux the Echidna 20:23, 26 November 2007 (UTC)


 * This has naught to do with Mario. Please keep your posts limited to the subject of the associated article. SpinyMcSpleen (talk) 05:12, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

"Category: Fictional characters with superhuman strength"
Mario does not belong in the "superhuman strength" category. Superhuman strength, in the traditional sense, is more like Hercules, Superman, or Mr Incredible -- I'm assuming that the Wikipedia definition of "superhuman strength" is more the traditional meaning. Do you ever see Mario hefting objects three hundred times his own weight? No, is the answer. SpinyMcSpleen 16:26, 4 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Have you ever played Super Mario 64? In the first level you have to pick up and throw a giant Bob-bomb. I can't say it is 300 times his weight, but it is by all means much heavier than he is. And in all of the Bowser battles he has to throw Bowser. That qualifies as super human to me. sdgjake 17:08, 4 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Superhuman strength is not a defining characteristic of Mario. The argument here is the same reason we don't include Mario in a list of baseball players. He has appeared in a baseball game, but it is not a defining characteristic. You may wish to read Categorization.  Pagra shtak  18:15, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Wait, there's a difference here. Anyone can play baseball, but not actually can anybody have superhuman strength. And you meant not notable, because this is a defining characteristic. Remember also that Mario carried DK, Bowser, and other bosses that were from SNES (sorry, I just can't remember the names right now) lots of times. He also carried the Chain Chomp on the Mario Party series. In other words, it is notable and I think it's better put Mario on the category of Superhuman Strenght. --Mr.Mario 192 (talk) 22:57, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
 * No, I meant not a defining characteristic. It sounds to me like you're basing this all on original research in any case.  Pagra shtak  17:47, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Let us put it this way. Ask yourself, "has Mario ever lifted the palace off its foundation?" If the answer is "no" (which it is), then it is a reasonable assumption that he does not have superhuman strength. SpinyMcSpleen (talk) 19:14, 5 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Here is an excerpt form the header of the category:

This category is for fictional characters in literature, film, television, comics books, and video games who possess superhuman strength (that is, strength which exceeds maximum human potential).
 * So Mario only has to exceed maximum human potential to be part of this category. There have already been several examples of his lifting ability given above(Even if he doesn't lift the palace of its foundation). And if you look at many of the other fictional characters in the category they probably wouldn't live up to SpinyMcSpleen's high standard's either. sdgjake (talk) 20:03, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
 * He has lifted a palace off of its foundation and thrown it. This is noted after he defeats one of the Koopalings (either Larry or Lemmy, but I'm pretty sure it's Larry's that gets lifted and thrown). Using the game itself, where Mario is from, does not constitute original research. MVillani1985 (talk) 23:42, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Aside from my other concerns, I have marked this as original research in the article.  Pagra shtak  21:33, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm suprised it's disputed that Mario has superhuman strength? Apart from the fact that his name is Super Mario, his most popular characteristic is his ability to smash blocks of bricks with his hands and his ability to jump many times his own height.  Couple that with the many times he is shown lifting heavy things as above.  I think we should be looking the other way - what evidence is there that Super Mario doesn't have superhuman strength? The KZA (talk) 05:12, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
 * As Pagrashtak has observed, superhuman strength is not a defining characteristic of Mario. He was designed as a carpenter who can jump high, not a superhero capable of lifting things that weigh hundreds of times more than his own weight.  For the sake of clarity, let us just leave Mario (and Luigi) out of the "superhuman strength" category, all right? SpinyMcSpleen (talk) 19:02, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
 * No. Apart from the fact that Super Mario's defining characteristic is indeed his superhuman strength, your baseball analogy is flawed.  That category defines members of an occupation, whereas the superhuman strength category expects those that have a quality.  Definition of character or not - the guy has clear and repeated examples of exhibiting superhuman strength.  I'll add that the category says nothing about 'superhero' or 'lifting things'; Mario's "jumping" alone exhibits superhuman strength... unless he just has bouncy rubber legs?  Slinky feet perhaps?  The KZA (talk) 22:32, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I believe we are discussing superhuman strength, not superhuman jumping ability. SpinyMcSpleen (talk) 08:46, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Are we? You assume superhuman jumping ability is not related to superhuman strength. Why?  Like I said, his superhuman jumping is self-propelled, suggesting it is done by strength.  We are discussing strength, not lifting things. The KZA (talk) 01:30, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Mario lifted Bowser. That is superhuman strength. I mean, come on! Just look at Bowser!Zman42 (talk) 00:30, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Let me point out that Mario does possess superhuman strength as he requires no supporting equipment to do the things he does *i.e. a bionic exoskeleton*. The fact that Mario is HUMAN is what is causing this argument - if Sonic the Hedgehog was human, there'd be a 2-page discussion on if his speed classified him as superhuman!143.92.1.40 (talk) 05:20, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm sure. However, Sonic is not human, and we are discussing Mario, not Sonic.  I shall say this again -- Mario was not designed as a latter-day Superman.  He was originally just a carpenter who could jump high.  There are people in real life who can jump high enough to clear their own height, yet we do not say they possess superhuman strength. SpinyMcSpleen (talk) 08:46, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * We are not arguing whether Mario is Superman or a Superhero but whether he posesses superhuman strength. It doesn't matter if he's a carpenter or a plumber or a member of the Justice League.  He exhibits superhuman strength.  Done. The KZA (talk) 01:30, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
 * "Done"? I hardly think so. As you do not seem to understand what I am trying to get across, let me put this a different way -- has Nintendo ever officially stated that Mario possesses superhuman strength?  "No," is the answer.  It may fly in the face of common sense to say that Mario is not "superhuman", but Nintendo hasn't said that he is.  Baseless inferences around here are called "original research". SpinyMcSpleen (talk) 07:10, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
 * The answer may not be no, however we do need a source here. I'll return when I find one. The KZA (talk) 01:34, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
 * How high Mario jumps is not proof of his strength or else his jumps would be closer to Luigi's super high jumps since Luigi is weaker (according to Super Mario 64 DS). Saying it takes superhuman strength to jump high would also mean Peach would need to be considered as having such strength (from her Super Mario Bros 2 USA jumps). And finally, cartoon characters, especially ones appearing in video games, often do things that are extrordinary when thought about their abilities (such as Wile E Coyote lifting the super-sized rock off of his pancake-like body or little 26 lbs Cream the Rabbit lifting both Amy Rose and the 616 lbs Big the Cat at the same time in Sonic Heroes). Basically its just a gameplay element meant to improve the experience without worrying about some sort of cannon. Cigraphix (talk) 16:29, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
 * That is true, however there is no indication that Mario gets his ability to jump from anywhere but his own superhuman strength. SpinyMcSpleen's arguement was that Mario's superhuman strength wasn't a defining characteristic of his character; I argued that his jumping is a defining characteristic, and from all accounts, is a product of his superhuman strength.  The other examples of lifting super heavy things, smashing bricks etc. still stand. The KZA (talk) 01:34, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
 * So, you couldn't find a source, then? SpinyMcSpleen (talk) 06:16, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Not as yet, though I hadn't even begun looking when you posted that response. 5 hours? Someone's keen.  The KZA (talk) 07:39, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

The way I see this argument, there's a pretty clear consensus that he has superhuman strength. The argument is whether or not it's a defining characteristic, and if not, whether he deserves to be put in the category. Is superhuman strength the first thing we thing of when we think about Mario? Of course not, typically we think of his jumping. Now, Super Mario 64 seems to be a good account of how much strength he has. While he can throw a giant bob-omb no problem, he can only swing Bowser in order to get him off the ground. Is this superhuman strength? Seems like it. Again though, it's not the issue. The secondary issue is whether this can be reliably sourced. This is more difficult because of the fact that it's not a defining characteristic. If someone can find one then it's case closed, but without it then it's going to be subject to debates just like this. I wish I could make a clear case out of this, but this is quite hazy. Still, try and find a source in regards to this. If we don't find one, well, we're back to square one on this debate. Wizardman 03:59, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

As much as i love Mario i have to say that he shouldnt be considered super human. First of all his a game character. Because my character in GTA can survive taking several bullets to the head and is able to push cars by running into them does that make him super human? If that is the case most game characters must be super human. And secondly, how do we know that Mario is so different from other humans in his 'universe'. I doubt he was considered a super human when he lived on Earth. Indeed he does have super human strength compared to normal humans, but i dont think he is super enough to be considered super strong in the gaming world. Otherwise shouldnt Donkey Kong be put into a list of 'smartest gorillas' or should Yoshi be put into a list of 'smartest dinosaurs', no because there video game characters, not an actual dinosaur living in our world who can speak, but one in a game.


 * I would like to point out the fact that, in some games, he has eaten mushrooms that cause him to cover the entire screen, breaking everything in his path. If that's not superhuman strength, I don't know what is. [] []--Is this fact...? 13:08, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
 * It was said earlier that Mario's abilities are a gameplay element. I infer from this that the argument is that while yes, sometimes Mario does have super strength, it's not a defining element of his character. It's the same as whether he wears a size 10 shoe or a size 11. It's not notable enough, especially considering that his abilities vary from one game to another. He has the ability to stay underwater indefinitely in most of his 2D platformers, but not in his 3D platformers. Does that mean that he can breath underwater? And if so, is it important? It's just a gameplay element. No one is saying that Mario does not have super-strength (From what I understand of Wikipedia, even if he doesn't from an in-universe prospective, that is irrelevant), but that it is not a defining characteristic. The question is, should the category "Characters with super strength" be limited to "Characters who are known for their super strength"? AeroRoy (talk) 23:00, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

For the most part, Mario's superhuman abilities ARE for the sake of gameplay. However, there IS a canonical reference to the fact that Mario possesses Superhuman abilities - in Super Mario RPG he's renowned throughout the world for having "more jump in you than a box of frogs!", and there are cutscenes where he jumps extremely high into the sky that do not play into gameplay. This can be considered to be a story element, and thus a canonical characteristic of Mario. 74.135.94.196 (talk) 11:21, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Mario colours
Anyone else think Marios white, red, and blue were used to appeal to the English? The English flag is red, white and blue. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.129.191.19 (talk • contribs)

If you would take the time to read the article you would find out why.Vadahata2 (talk) 02:58, 9 December 2007 (UTC)


 * By your logic, anonymous IP, would his red-white-blue colour scheme not also appeal to the Americans, the Russians, the French, and several other countries that have similarly-coloured flags? SpinyMcSpleen (talk) 05:11, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Mayybe, but England is a huge market. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.129.191.19 (talk • contribs)


 * Well, it is neither here nor there, as information such as this is pure speculation and, as such, ought not to be mentioned in the article. SpinyMcSpleen (talk) 04:59, 12 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Technically, the English flag is red and white. The flag for Great Britain is red, white and blue.  But.  Dude.  It has nothing to do with the British.  New Zealand and Australia have red, white and blue flags too.  That is the wildest idea I've heard all day.  Your mind intrigues me.  The KZA (talk) 05:05, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

It has been suggested that Mario's colors in "Super Mario Bros." (Red, Default; Green, two-player; and white, fire flower power-up) refer to the Italian flag. —Preceding unsigned comment added by WikiFanatic777 (talk • contribs) 06:09, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Perhaps, but that is also original research. SpinyMcSpleen (talk) 05:01, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Those are the same colors of the Mexican flag too, just pointing that out. 70.247.200.80 (talk) 03:09, 6 February 2008 (UTC)]] 21:09, 5 Febuary 2008

Mario's Original Colors were Red (Hat and Overalls), Brown (Shoes, Shirt, Hat, Hair & 'Stache), and Yellow(Skin Color), His color scheme was changed because a)his overalls were changed to blue to make him look more real, as if his overalls were made of denim. b)he got white gloves because he was a plumber, and Nintendo didn't want people thinking he was unsanitary, working without gloves, and c)I don't know why his moustache turned black.   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.184.202.131 (talk) 22:23, 23 February 2008 (UTC) I think that "Above Average" strength, would be a better term for it. I don't think his strength fits into the "Superhuman category. Lifting a large bomb is quite an amazing feat of strength, I must say. But even then, it's not quite "superhuman".  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.215.182.58 (talk) 01:01, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

"Category: Fictional characters based on real people"
Mario does not belong in this category, quite simply because he is not based on any real life person. His distinctive appearance comes from technological restraints on computers when he was designed -- a fact which, I believe, is in the article, itself. He was only named for Mario Segali, he was not based on him. There is a significant difference between being named after someone and being based on them. SpinyMcSpleen (talk) 01:19, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Being named after someone doesn't mean they are based on them.  The KZA (talk) 01:27, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Mario Manningham, "Super Mario", and popular culture.
Would an inclusion of football player Mario Manningham's comparisons to Mario be a welcome addition to the popular culture section? MVillani1985 (talk) 23:45, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
 * No. Something similar to this existed in the article at one time, but was removed for being unnecessary. SpinyMcSpleen (talk) 04:53, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

I think we should leave out references to people, rugby players do get nicknames all the time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.132.5.194 (talk) 15:43, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Why isn't it noted that Mario's face is seen on Mount Rushmore from Pilotwings in the article? Pezzar (talk) 01:53, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Surname
I found an old edition of Inside Edition that talked with Bill White who did advertising/promotions with Nintendo. He was interviewed and he confirmed that the both of the "Mario Bros." do not have last names.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGFRi_ueq-M

Any suggestion on what do do on that paragraph? Pantsman52391 (talk) 01:30, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
 * As similar information already exists in the article, I'd say leave it out. SpinyMcSpleen (talk) 06:37, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
 * That video seems a bit out of date to me at the time Mario was not the sirname now it is thanks to the SMB movie. 98.200.49.5 (talk) 03:16, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Hero of the Year
On Game Informer, Mario won the Hero of the Year award. Should this be noted????? --Mr.Mario 192 (talk) 22:44, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

I would think a little note should be put in there somewhere. (ApostleJoe (talk) 22:49, 3 January 2008 (UTC))

Paragraph for deletion.
In Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door, Mario is given the stage name of the "Great Gonzales" during his battles in Glitzville. Before a battle, one of the audience members refers to Mario as "Jumpman," a joke about Mario's first identity. Mario's nickname in Mario Hoops 3-on-3 is "The Jumpman", again making reference to his original name. Mario is currently voiced by Charles Martinet, who also voices Luigi, both their baby counterparts, Wario, Waluigi and other characters such as Toadsworth.[1]

This paragraph seems to be fluff pretending to be elaboration, I suggest it be removed altogether. TehSpud (talk) 01:45, 3 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Agree I agree; this paragraph is not necessary. RC-0722  communicator/kills 02:33, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

I dont think it should be removed altogether just reworded or made bigger seeing that it is good information.Vadahata2 (talk) 22:10, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * It's a flowbreaker it was established in the previous paragraph that Mario's name was Jumpman. The Paragraph also shifts focus from Jumpman References to Charles Martinet. The information may be nicely placed somewhere else in the paragraph but the section should focus on his creation and development and the paragraph does not do that. As the to-do list says take the focus away from the games in general. TehSpud (talk) 04:37, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Questionable Reference.
"He is the older (although shorter) brother of Luigi.]|undefined"

The link refers to the Super Mario 64 page on IGN, a game that has no Luigi. The page makes no statement to the age relation or size relation between Mario and Luigi. TehSpud (talk) 17:15, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Games mario appear in section
in the section were it talks about him being in brawl it says thats the second installment when actually its the 3rd installment, and also he has been in all three of the super smash bro games, don't belive me go check it out —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gonzo45 (talk • contribs) 13:50, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Then change it.Vadahata2 (talk) 22:15, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * It's a protected Article. TehSpud (talk) 01:11, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

semi protected you can stiil edit it.Vadahata2 (talk) 12:15, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Semi protected, ah. Still Gonzo45 and myself are new members and can't edit semi-protected articles yet. TehSpud (talk) 16:47, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Spelling Errors
The word "transparency" is spelled incorrectly in the passage below, taken from the sixth paragraph under the heading "Mario Series":

"In Super Mario Sunshine, Mario and Peach travel to Isle Delfino for a vacation. However, a Mario doppleganger, having no colour and a slight tranparancy, appears and vandalizes the entire..."

taken care of.Vadahata2 (talk) 21:29, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

By the way, isn't the dopplerganger blue?

Found this in the powerup section (near the bottom, refering to Galaxy):He kept this Luma in his hat and it gave him the ability to do a powerful spin attack and shoot star bits. This spnnig ability granted him Obviously spnnig should be spinning86.135.211.247 (talk) 20:15, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Taken care of also.Vadahata2 (talk) 03:46, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Mario.png
I have placed on the image page rational for fair use. I have removed the deletable image tag for Mario.png on this page. If this is a foul up please revert my edit. Spud Hai/watidone 18:29, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
 * OK.  RC-0722 communicator/kills 18:31, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Pac-Man is more recognizable than Mario
I changed this, but someone keeps deleting this. If you know that Mario is more recognizable than Pac-Man, I suggest you give sources. Pac-Man is more recognizable by adults than Mario (2001 US survey). Tomtomtomabc123 (talk) 23:59, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

I would like to say that you should also provide sources proving that Pac-man is the most recognizable character.--Neverquick (talk) 00:00, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Until you provide a source proving otherwise, there is little reason to mention this in the article. Provide a link to this survey, and I'll look into it.--Neverquick (talk) 00:03, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
 * True. Also please refrain from making personal attacks. And even if you do have a sources; a survey from 2001 isn't going to be very accurate in the year 2008. RC-0722 communicator/kills 00:05, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

So basically you cannotTomtomtomabc123 (talk) 00:12, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Cannot do what? RC-0722 communicator/kills 00:13, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Provide a source. (So stop deleting my changes until you can)Tomtomtomabc123 (talk) 00:15, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

I think he means find a source, but he has yet to provide one either.--Neverquick (talk) 00:14, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
 * We've covered our bases by saying " arguably the most recognizable videogame character." RC-0722 communicator/kills 00:16, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

I think thats agreeable. everyone has their own opinion on the subject, so pinning it down to a single answer would be difficult.--Neverquick (talk) 00:22, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
 * That's never stopped me from pinning something down before. LOL. I think we should leave it the way it is. RC-0722 communicator/kills 00:38, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

I meant in general. we could sit here all day yelling about who was more recognizable, and both camps have valid points, but settling on a more versitle phrase that leaves room for personal belief without forcing one on a reader is better. I support argueably.--Neverquick (talk) 00:41, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Agreed. RC-0722 communicator/kills 00:43, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

I dunno.. what would you call a yellow circle with a "slice" missing from it's body, and an eye? Pac-Man. And what would you call an Italian guy with a mustache in a red suit wearing blue overalls(with two yellow buttons), white gloves, and a red hat? A pizza guy? My plumber? Exactly. -Anonymous Kid —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.163.23.130 (talk) 17:55, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Mario's name...
Is Mario Mario. And Luigi's, Luigi Mario. Why is it called the Super Mario Bros? Why not Luigi? Mario is also the last name of our two protagonists. It just has to be. -Anonymous Kid —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.163.23.130 (talk) 17:51, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Why is Super Smash Bros. called Super Smash Bros.? I agree entierly that Mario is in fact the surname but theres not a heck of a lot of hard evidence to prove it. The SMB movie made Mario Mario & Luigi's surname, but thats about it. Spud  Hai/watidone 21:33, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

I unfortunately don't remember where I read this, since it was a long time ago. In an article about the game series it said that Mario and Luigi's surname was Mario. Might have actually been a quiz about games, but like I said it was a long time ago 24.223.154.154 (talk) 00:06, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

What?
They changed the picture again!--Angel David (talk) 03:34, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Why did they do that ? The one we had before was ok and the other one dosen't look better at all. --Mr Alex (talk) 13:54, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
 * ...Because the Mario Galaxy version of Mario is the most recent depiction of Mario? - A Link to the Past (talk) 18:21, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
 * And to add to that, the other image is not appropriate, as it's a secondary image (that is, one that isn't from a primary game such as Mario Galaxy or New SMB). - A Link to the Past (talk) 18:24, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

I understand that, but next Mario games will not necessarily be in the space, this game is exceptional. Most of games from the Mario series are in Mario worlds not in the Galaxy. I replaced it but I did put it somewhere in the article. Is this ok ? --Mr Alex (talk) 21:29, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
 * It is his current depiction. The next Zelda game may not use cartoony Link, but we still use that image of cartoony Link. The next Pokémon game may not be in 2D, but we still use 2D art for Pikachu. And so, just because it may not be in space next time doesn't change the fact that this game does take place in space. The image given does nothing more than show Mario using the star spin attack from Mario Galaxy - it does not show him in space. There's nothing confusing about the image - it'd be like saying we shouldn't show William H. Macy with a beard if he grew one just recently, because he typically doesn't have one and may shave it off in the future. This is the current Mario, and the article should reflect that.
 * And to add to this, the image is from the official Nintendo web site, making it a better image, source-wise. - A Link to the Past (talk) 21:38, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

You are completely right.--Mr Alex (talk) 21:45, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
 * The idea of a Galaxy picture is good, but why not one with a clearer view of his face? Most of Mario's mug is covered by his arm in this one. --Is this fact...? 04:54, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I have to agree entirely with A Link to the Past. A Super Mario Galaxy image should be used to show Mario in his most current design as is the reason of the purpose of the image in the infobox. But like WhereIsTheCite? said one that has more of Mario visible would be better.  Spud  Hai/watidone 16:06, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

And no again they changed it!--Angel David (talk) 23:33, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

The Mario image should be represented by a version of Mario from a Wii title. As one editor pointed out in their edit summary as justification for changing it to an older image, Mario's design hasn't changed much throughout his history - however, the Wii version is significantly better in graphical quality, and even a picture of Mario from Brawl is a much better depiction than the current picture from a Gamecube game. 65.33.206.108 (talk) 02:10, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Personally, I think the one from brawl is fine, but I would have used an image from Super Mario Galaxy, if there was one descriptive enough. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kperfekt722 (talk • contribs) 18:14, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Which Image?

 * Why not this one? It's recent, from Galaxy, and actually shows Mario's face. --Is this fact...? 22:49, 17 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Agree This is good. Spud

Hai/watidone 17:17, 20 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, I would change it but I'm not willing to do so, myself, until further consensus is reached. The main picture in this article changes too much, but I don't see why not, otherwise. --Is this

fact...? 20:38, 26 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Agree got my approval Cigraphix (talk) 05:38, 27 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Someone changed the image. I made it more fair use friendly, although I didn't list an original source due to lack of knowledge. --Is this fact...? 04:07, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

User Jer0en 1988NL changed the image back without explanation, just to note. --Is this fact...? 06:23, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Why not just re-upload and put it back? User:Jer0en 1988NL is banned as a sockpuppet. Cigraphix (talk) 17:12, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Baby Mario?
Where is the section on Baby Mario? The redirect to it leads to a nonexistent section on this article, so can anybody write a section on Baby Mario (or at least recover the section from the history)? Pre ston  H  01:17, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
 * You are perfectly capable of doing it. The Prince (talk) 01:50, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok. Pre  ston  H  02:00, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Done. Pre  ston  H  02:30, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Nice that you did it, but the response from The Prince isn't appropriate. People are allowed to point out what they consider to be an error in the article on the talk page. You're not obligated to fix it, and he should've said "thanks for pointing that out." - A Link to the Past (talk) 05:40, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

You're just mad since you didn't get your way in the SMG article. And BTW, you're retired according to your user page. The Prince (talk) 18:13, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I didn't even recall it was you who I debated on the Mario Galaxy page. It makes sense though - only you could suck that bad.
 * Prince, if you can't act like someone with the capabilities of even the most basic form of life, stop wasting Wikipedia bandwidth with your mediocrity.
 * People are allowed to bring up points of the article. Just because you lack the capacity to contribute anything of worth to Wikipedia doesn't mean you can be as disrespectful as you have been to Preston in this discussion.
 * If your next response is as God awful as what you've added to this talk page, please, do all of us a favor and throw your computer in a river and never, ever use any communication device. The fact that you somehow defend your pitiful actions (acting disrespectful to a user for pointing out a flaw - yeah, pretty horrible of him to have an interest in the article, isn't it?) proves you have no place on Wikipedia. - A Link to the Past (talk) 18:21, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Not to interject, but I'm pretty sure the Prince meant "If you would like a section on Baby Mario, you're as welcome as anyone else to write it," so I don't think that was disrespectful as all, my in opinion. And I think it's well-written too, Preston.--DooplissBro (talk) 19:59, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
 * That's correct. If the edit is helpful to the article, there is no reason in bringing it up here. Anyone can contribute to the article as long as it's not vandalism. The Prince (talk) 20:04, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Except you basically told him "do it yourself". The very idea of "you're welcome to contribute to this article" doesn't exist in your post, only a snide "so fix it", as if he did something wrong by pointing it out. - A Link to the Past (talk) 21:22, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

He did nothing wrong, so just drop it. The Prince (talk) 21:29, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
 * So he did nothing wrong, and yet you were rude and disrespectful to him? - A Link to the Past (talk) 21:35, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I was not rude and disrespectful, it was just you misinterpreting it. Lame discussion ended. The Prince (talk) 21:37, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Lame discussion ended, indeed. Let it be known that The Prince needs to learn how to edit in Wikipedia better. Step one: Treat other users with a pinch of dignity, aight? - A Link to the Past (talk) 21:40, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

FightingStreet (talk) 21:42, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Link to the past, Stop making personal attacks on people, unless they do the same to you or someone else.You're probably the one who is deleting trivia sections for no good reason. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.194.7.41 (talk) 01:58, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Not interested in some random IP backing up the one who created any and all ire in this discussion.
 * And I would think the fact that trivia sections go against quality guidelines would be good enough. - A Link to the Past (talk) 05:06, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Mario
Shouldn't the main Mario article be the Mario (disambiguation) seeing as how the name Mario was here long before Nintendo's beloved mascot. Smile Lee (talk) 14:12, 21 March 2008 (UTC) And shouldn't this article be called "Super Mario"?Smile Lee (talk) 14:14, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
 * This is the most common usage of the name "Mario" without a last name. To answer your second question, he is referred to as "Mario" in almost all the games he appears; the only real "Super Mario" exists when Mario gets a mushroom in one the SMBs. &mdash; Malcolm (talk) 20:15, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Plus it's Mario Party, and Mario Kart. The "super" is just a statusMadhatter9max (talk) 23:09, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Mario is the biggest video game icon in the history of the medium. He is known all over the world by gamers and non-gamers alike, and has tons of exposure outside of gaming. Nothing in the Mario disambig has anything of even remotely comparable notability. - A Link to the Past (talk) 00:28, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Good article Reassesment
Yes, my spelling is bad, don't sue me. Anyway, I believe this article meets Good Artice Critera at this time. Maybe. I'm nominating it anyway.
 * Sorry to say this, but the article does not currently meet GA standards. I've as such removed the GAN template. For one, the article contains a cleanup template, which will need to be eliminated for the article to attain GA status. The Prince (talk) 15:27, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Mario Galaxy Spin Image
If nothing else is available, then I'll leave it alone, but could perhaps try and find one better than his spin attack as his main pic? If we can find the newest one of him standing or maybe that shot of him flying though space it might be more appropriate. We need a picture of Mario that is approachable at any time and isn't specific to his new attacks, because we're not just representing his newest game, but also his entire franchise on this page. Thank you. 76.27.215.219 (talk) 20:17, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Done. Mintchocolatebear (talk) 10:43, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Put Baby Mario Pictures
I wanna put a baby mario pic next to paragraph about baby mario, if it will okay with ya'all Alexgodcool (talk) 02:28, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Do we really need an entire plot summary for Smash Brothers Brawl Adventure Mode?
This is an article about Mario not Smash Bros. Saying he appears as a playable character in the series and takes part in the Adventure mode is enough. We don't need a whole summary of the Subspace Emmissary mode and how he teams up with everyone then fights so and so and finaly defeats tabu —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.190.34.219 (talk) 21:14, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Oh just to clarify, I'm refering to the second paragraph in the "Other Appearences" section —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.190.34.219 (talk) 21:18, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Yeah that entire section is unnecessary. Could someone with an account please delete that part? I think some of it constitutes as OR anyway. 76.238.136.125 (talk) 01:27, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Mario Bros.
Is it worth mentioning that, as the title is indeed "Mario Bros.", the last name of both Mario and Luigi must be Mario? Thus, Mario would be Mario Mario and Luigi would be Luigi Mario. Nintendo even admitted that fact through one of the Nintendo Power magazines a couple of years ago, I might be able to find it. 24.15.53.225 (talk) 03:20, 21 April 2008 (UTC) That used to be in the article, but was taken out for a reason I can't remember, though I think it was a good reason. GEM036 (talk) 21:39, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Their last names are unknown. Period. It is widely believed that "Mario" is their last name, but that does not mean it is. "Mario Mario" is an extremely moronic name. So no, Mario. Is. Not. Their. Last. Name! Interactive Fiction Expert/Talk to me 01:54, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
 * It was their surname in the Movie but other than that in the Video Game Medium they have no surname so it's irrelevant to the article. Spud  Hai/watidone 15:50, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Image
Please stop replacing the image of Mario in the infobox. Same with Luigi. Interactive Fiction Expert/Talk to me 01:52, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Unsuccessful GAN
Sorry guys, this article really isn't up to the GA critieria yet. A few random comments; the images all need better fair use rationales, for EVERY article they're in. Several of the Characteristics subsections are completely unsourced. There are short, standalone sentences forming paragraphs. The reception section section is very short for such a major character.

I'm happy to take a look again in the future. Cheers, dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 01:27, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah it's pretty obvious this page needs some work. Hit the Todo List everyone. Spud  Hai/watidone 15:39, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Per request on my talk page, a few more notes. It definitely looks better. There are, however, still some image concerns - I suggest you ask Black Kite, who's awesome with this sort of thing. Taking a glance at a random paragraph, out of place content such as "He has not yet appeared in a strategy game." doesn't seem to add much to the game, for instance. Glancing at the ref list, there still seems to be a slight shortage, but you're definitely on the right track, and could probably renominate soon. Have you looked at Link (The Legend of Zelda)? It's a great article to work off. dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 08:49, 8 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Very much appreciated. Thanks. ♣  Klptyzm   Chat wit' me  §   Contributions ♣ 17:22, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Tone Problems

 * These are the views of one editor. His views may not be in line with Wikipedia, if so you should tell him

even though someone took down the Tone tag (though I'm not going to be the one to put it back up) when editing and drafting this article it should be kept in mind that

Spud Hai/watidone 20:25, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) Mario is a fictional character.
 * 2) The Mushroom Kingdom is not real.
 * 3) This article is about Mario as a video game character so Mario in magana, cartoons and movies should be kept in Other Media.
 * 4) Fan based ideas are irrelevant to Mario as a character.


 * Considering you brought it up, I wanted to know people's thoughts on the "abilities" section. I personally don't like sections like this because they are magnets for some of the very problems you brought about, and I'm highly considering removing it completely, if no one objects or gets sources for some of it. ♣  Klptyzm   Chat wit' me  §   Contributions ♣ 21:45, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Mario's abilities are important to his character, I think, however, It does need quite a revamp, probably something along the lines of Fourth Heading sections or in the case of removal all together: creating a new article such as "List of items in the Mario series" and adding that to the see also section would be good solutions. The main problem is that it spends a lot of time jumping around and explaining how to unlock certain items (metal cap is a good example) so either standardization of the section or purging it into a new article. Spud  Hai/watidone 02:06, 6 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I've altered much of the article from the Appearances section downward; I mainly tried to get all of the cruftiness and gamer bias out. I'm a bit intimidated by the "Reception" section. I honestly don't know where to start on it, so help would definitely be appreciated there. ♣  Klptyzm   Chat wit' me  §   Contributions ♣ 04:45, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Comments
It might be of interest to start a draft at Talk:Mario/draft, if for nothing else to get a better Idea of where we're going with the article without making wild changes to the article itself. All in favor say Agree all not in favor say Disagree


 * We would start the article off blank then add in relevant information making us more able to keep an eye on references without spamming the template all over the main article. If all goes well we should be able to draw from the draft or replace the article with the draft, get a copyedit, get a peer review and get this up to FA status.  Spud  Hai/watidone 19:55, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Agree
Agree Spud  Hai/watidone 19:55, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Disagree
we can talk about that here like we always have and make changes like we always haveVadahata2 (talk) 01:09, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Weak Disagree I'm actually mostly apathetic toward the idea, but it seems rather unnecessary, really. It's not like the article has be just eviscerated or anything; just needs refs and maybe a bit of revamping of the "Reception" section. ♣ Klptyzm   Chat wit' me  §   Contributions ♣ 01:46, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Images
I see this is a GA nominee. About time, I say. However, in order to avoid a nasty fail, I suggest that the new "close-up" image directly under the Super Mario 64 screen cap be removed. It is not low resolution (which doesn't comply with Fair-use), plus it is undeniably low quality. And also, I do not see what purpose that image serves to the article at all. A more modern-graphic of Mario aside of Galaxy may be quite a useful replacement. (erhm-Brawl) --haha169 (talk) 23:28, 12 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I feel the same way; seems like a copyvio in a way, too. Removed. ♣  Klptyzm   Chat wit' me  §   Contributions ♣ 01:46, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

GAN on hold
After reading through the article, I do not feel it is ready for Good article status.. It does not meet the GA quick fail criteria, but there are several prevalent issue that will need to be addressed before the article passes.
 * 1) Well written?: I'm sorry to say this article does not meet the Good article standard of writing quality. There are several instances of information feeling out of place. The first paragraph of the "Conception and creation" section seemed a bit disjointed with a couple sentences feeling out of order. The "Baby Mario" section seems more appropriate in the "Appearances" section.
 * 2) Factually accurate?: I've no doubt the information in the article factual, but the sources used to verify most the content do not appear to fall under the definition of reliable sources: GoNintendo, GameCubicle, TheMushroomKingdom, and several others. Several sources are missing important information: publisher, accessdate, author, date, etc. Some of the content seemed to be synthesized from sources and came across a different way than originally intended. For instance, the "Occupation and hobbies" section seems like original research.
 * 3) Broad in coverage?: Covers the areas I'd expect in a video game character article, though the sections seem unbalanced. Though given Mario is basically the face of Nintendo, I'd also expeect to see a merchandise section of some kind. Nothing expansively detailed, but a short little section.
 * 4) Neutral point of view?: The article reads like a mix of a plot summary and magazine reviews. There's nothing wrong with magazine reviews, but they are not written in an encyclopedic manner and a Wikipedia article needs to be. Also, as stated above, the article feels unbalanced. The "Reception and legacy" section seems very short compared to the "Characteristics" section. Not something I would expect from a character article and certainly not from a character like Mario. for instance, the "Occupation and hobbies" section could be summarized in a few sentences and should be written in a more out-of-universe perspective.
 * 5) Article stability? The article appears to be stable and there do not seem to be any edit wars.
 * 6) Images?: Images use does not seem excessive and all images requiring a fair use rationale have one. Though the FUR is bare minimum in most cases; more in-depth rationale would be preferred.

In all honesty, I'm not sure the article can be cleaned up in a week as there are several large issues to address. But it certainly is possible so I'm going to assume good faith. Also from the looks of the talk page, several editors are already aware of the issues, so clean up may be surmountable. If you have any questions, feel free to ask here as I have this page watched. (Guyinblack25 talk 18:01, 13 May 2008 (UTC))


 * Well, since there has not been any edits to improve the article or any response to my initial review, I unfortunately have to fail the article. Hopefully my initial comments can help any editors involved in improving the article get started. A few things though.
 * If there are no responses and/or no plans to respond to a GAN hold, contributing editors can request the article's GA nomination be withdrawn.
 * The time between the last GAN and this one was way too short. Generally, an article should not be relisted less than a week after it has been on GAN, especially if there have not been major improvements.
 * This article has potential, but is in need of a lot of organization, copy editing, and sourcing. Before it goes to GAN again, I recommend getting a peer review at either Peer review or WikiProject Video games/Peer review. Another suggestion would be to look at Master Chief (Halo), a similar character article that is FA. (Guyinblack25 talk 15:57, 20 May 2008 (UTC))
 * I would try to do more work, but it's so tiring. I can't do all of it by myself, especially the references, which I've tried to help with, but the refs I added were deemed "unreliable." It's very difficult to do all of this on my own. ♣  Klptyzm   Chat wit' me  §   Contributions ♣ 19:32, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Mario Main image
Would I suggest replacing the info box image with the one hosted here: ? It has a transparent background, as well as this being his most recent appearance, (excluding Mario Kart Wii). --haha169 (talk) 04:39, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * No Smash Bros picturs aloud, seeing that it's not considerd main continuity. --Is this fact...? 08:37, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Agreed with WereIsTheCite, This has been the consensus thus far. Spud  Hai/watidone 15:52, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Sure. That's fine with me. But could someone with a decent image editor make that Galaxy image transparent? Sorry, but square white images bug me... --haha169 (talk) 04:16, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Mario Mayhem Link?
Hope I did this right, i'm not very good with wiki's. Why does the Mario Mayhem link keep getting removed from external links? The site matches the guidelines listed here: EL but keeps getting removed. (Timby007 (talk) 11:11, 30 May 2008 (UTC))
 * Mario fan sites are a little odd with the rules under WP:EL, I mean there must be a billion of them by now do we include ever single one of them? Though I do think a review should be made to decide whether your link stays or not. I do thank you for checking the rules first though. Spud  Hai/watidone 14:34, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Have a look at number 11 of WP:LINKSTOAVOID: "Links to blogs, personal web pages and most fansites, except those written by a recognized authority" are to be avoided. So unless your website is a recognized authority, which I don't think it is, it should be removed. Laurent (talk) 12:34, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Mario Origen
Dident he like originate from Japan. He sounds Ittalian, but I dont know. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Infomantoday (talk • contribs) 23:31, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Nintendo's headquarters are located in Kyoto, Japan. According to this article Mario originates from Japan but Nintendo of America gave him his name. Dayyanb (talk) 17:24, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Conception and creation
I trimmed the first para. Basically, while I thought every sentence was well-written, it seemed like the same thing was said at least three different ways. So've I tried to merge the different versions into one slightly snappier one.Señor Service (talk) 18:29, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Most Famous Japanese Character
Guys, it has been said in recent Japanese surveys that Mario is arguably the most famous Japanese character of all time, yet I don't see any of it here. But the problem is that I can't find a way to upload the references of these surveys, so maybe you guys could find it. So, if you find it, please put it on the "Reception and Legacy" section, please?? --Mr.Mario 192 (talk) 22:50, 12 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Mario is Italian (or Italian-American), not Japanese. He may have been created in Japan, but his nationality and/or ethnicity is Italian, as depicted in canon.  So my answer would be no. Marcus2 (talk) 17:38, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

What I meant by Japanese, is that he is the most famous character created in Japan. I'm not talking about his nationality. --Mr.Mario 192 (talk) 17:55, 13 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I get it now. Marcus2 (talk) 21:00, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Could you provide web addresses to these surveys? or just read Citing sources. Cigraphix (talk) 21:41, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Now see, this is the problem. I can't seem to find the sources that I've read. I can't find it in any websites that I try to remember. Maybe it's on a Japanese magazine. --Mr.Mario 192 (talk) 16:08, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

That's because he's actually the most famous Italian character ever, duh!150.131.64.98 (talk) 00:19, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmm, perhaps the most "famous" Japanese-created character is Pikachu, but without sources, Mario's popularity is just speculation. Useight (talk) 00:25, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

No, Mario has reached 5 million dollars more than pokemon in Japan. This is just one proof. Pikachu is number 2. --Mr.Mario 192 (talk) 02:56, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

There's a difference between "most famous" and "most popular." More sources are needed to establish whether or not Mario is truly "the most famous Japanese character of all time." Otherwise it's pretty much speculation to just assume so. --ThomasO1989 (talk) 04:00, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

And, as I said before, I had one of the sources with me (Nintendo Dream). But there are many other references, such as Gamepro's list of aquirred money in a videogame series (80% aquirred in Japan), which placed Mario in 1st with 195 million (if not billions, I can't quite remember)dollars, I mean there are even Americans that think Mario is an American character(as amazing as it looks). This is the highest ammount of money aquirred from a Japanese character. --Mr.Mario 192 (talk) 18:34, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

A Call To The Willing!
I was wondering if anyone was interested in organizing a Nintendo Project that would serve a similar role to the Sega Project! If you like this idea voice support! VOTE!Wiki Curse (talk) 01:49, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 * And how would this differ from Wiki Project Nintendo? Spud  Hai/watidone 22:16, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

This is to Mario Origen question: Im kinda stuck on that one to. I know he's from Japan in the 80s, yet he stragley sounds Ittalian. It may just be becuase they want him to be that. HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Infopearson (talk • contribs) 21:53, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Mario Originated in Japan, as Jumpman for Donkey Kong. When Donkey Kong came to the US, the fledgling NOA named him Mario, after their mean landlord (They saw Jumpman as being a mean caretaker of Donkey Kong, justifying his escape and subsequent kidnapping of Pauline). It's all mentioned in the article. The Italian accent is simply a result of Charles Martinet's belief in Italian stereotypes, in keeping with Mario's name. Gene S. Poole 17:22, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Power Up Record
The page suggests that Mario Galaxy has the record for number of powerups clocking in at 8. However, off the top of my head I can think of 10 from Super Mario Bros 3: 1. Mushroom 2. Fire Flower 3. Raccoon Leaf 4. Star 5. 1-up shroom 6. Tanooki Suit 7. Frog Suit 8. P-wing 9. Hammer Bros Suit 10. The Boot

I suggest the line about Mario Galaxy holding the record simply be removed. Thoughts? --Anjin-san (talk) 18:14, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Delete this Topic! so i don't get my ear Chewed!(. (talk) 06:37, 4 January 2009 (UTC))

Japan's Favorite Video Game Character
I just found an article that talks about a survey being taken in Japan with Mario taking the number one spot. Do you think that could be added to the reception and legacy section? The link is here: http://kotaku.com/5035884/and-japans-favorite-video-game-characters-are - NintendoFan6 (talk) 21:36, 12 August 2008

Mario mii
a special mario mii was made, details are here mii, should this be mentioned? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Not G. Ivingname (talk • contribs) 15:41, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

not likely(. (talk) 06:39, 4 January 2009 (UTC))

Mario's Birthday (Official Nintendo Source
Hey guys, don't know how seriously you want to take this info, or if it belongs in the article. I was looking in an old Nintendo Power Magizine that specifies Mario's birthday as October 11. The magazine is October/November 1988 (Track and Field II issue) issue of NP. Page is 96. If you have a copy, check it out, it's there.

Please provide actual sources...we need a Link to a site or location not just some Random info without anything helping us back it up(. (talk) 06:56, 4 January 2009 (UTC))

Category suggestions

 * Fictional characters who can fly
 * Fictional construction workers
 * Fictional sportspeople
 * Comments? - A Link to the Past (talk) 07:17, 28 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Sorry for answering a few months late but I don't think these should be added, his ability to fly is just a power-up, I'm not so sure what to say about the second and the third one but I don't that it's relevant.--Megaman en m (talk) 20:44, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Flight is a common element of his. On three different box arts, he is seen flying. From other means, yes, but he's very well-known for his ability to fly, even if the ability is shared by others. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 21:00, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Overcategorization
Doesn't anyone else think there are one too many categories here? The point is to categorize one's significant traits, not list every single thing ever accomplished (with or without an implement). Thoughts? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 20:59, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Fictional characters with super strength can go - he may be very strong, but it's not noticed much, especially in sidescrollers. Changing size is a notable trait of his, fictional plumbers goes along with his origins, as does fictional construction workers (many people know him for having been a construction worker in DK). Flight is iffy, but he shows the ability to do so prominently, especially in Mario 64 (on the box art) and Mario Galaxy. Fictional doctors, he has the whole Dr. Mario spin-off where he's trying to "cure the common cold", and sportspeople should stay because of all of the spin-offs he stars in that involve him doing sports. - A Link to the Past (talk) 21:09, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Fictional Italian-American? I thought he was straight up Italian and only American cartoons gave him an American accent. What source is used to claim that he's American? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.1.222.53 (talk) 19:24, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
 * He comes from Brooklyn. - A Link to the Past (talk) 20:52, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

The following text was removed from "Mass Media" due to irrelevance
In Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door, Mario is given the stage name of "Great Gonzales" during his battles in Glitzville. Before a climatic battle, one of the audience members refers to Mario as "Jumpman", referring to Mario's past identity. Mario's nickname in Mario Hoops 3-on-3 is "The Jumpman", again referring to his original name. Mario is currently voiced by Charles Martinet, who also voices such characters as Luigi, both their baby counterparts, Wario, and Waluigi.


 * Please either ignore or work into the article in better sections.  Esper <font size="-2">rant 05:48, 9 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Also Mario was parodied in Megas XLR as the "Fabio Bros." a video game Thanksgiving balloon. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.246.246.129 (talk) 21:04, 9 December 2008 (UTC)


 * What? Haipa Doragon (talk • contributions) 21:22, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Jumpman is his name before Mario...great Gonzales was just a stage name for the arena at the time it's not consistant enough to use but he was called that only in the Arena...Mario is Jumpman...Jumpman is not "The Jumpman" it was only Jumpman but that was only on Donkey Kong arcade but we can use that becuase thats his Original name(—Preceding unsigned comment by user (talk) 05:52, 12 December 2008 (UTC))

Sales information
I question the validity of the reference being used. First, it has no author, nor publishing name, therefore we cannot assume it is reliable. Then it does not cite references, so we cannot verify that number. It comes from a university site, apparently, so it could be very well some student's homework.

Also, I found a forum thread from 2006 that said Wikipedia had Mario at 285 million. A quick search for the list of best-selling video games back then shows we were using a reference from MobyGames, a site that modifies its contents according to user input. In fact, right now the page says the franchise sold 275 million units as of 2005. However, a press release done in name of Nintendo from November 13, 2007, says it sold more than 200 million.

The best-selling franchise list has a 201 million units sold reference. While the amount is surely larger (maybe 250 million by now), it is the latest verifiable number we have. I suggest using the one from CBC.ca instead of this unreliable one. -- ReyBrujo (talk) 00:31, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Based on this reasoning, I changed the value and reference. -- ReyBrujo (talk) 00:35, 19 January 2009 (UTC)