Talk:Mario Kart 8/Archive 1

Tentative name
If the name's tentative, it should be moved to where it's called Mario Kart (Wii U)? Overall, the title hasn't been confirmed by Nintendo. - 76.220.45.223 (talk) 02:02, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Drills
A little while ago, information about the game originally using drills instead of anti-gravity was introduced, however it was removed because there wasn't a source provided. It was just re-added again, without a source, but since it is something that is worth mentioning in the dev section, I quickly added in a source. There are actually quite a few sources about this, but some of them are questionable about their status as a reliable source. Would any of these actually be considered suitable? . It's also listed on the Super Mario Wiki, which references Wii U Daily, however neither of these are considered reliable sources here. There might be an Iwata Asks somewhere about it though...  Dark Toon Link Heyaah! 10:46, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Also, I found a source for the Double Dash bit. .  Dark Toon Link Heyaah! 10:58, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Interesting, I hadn't caught that bit about the drills, and I'm usually pretty up on Nintendo-related stuff like this. Anyways, MTV Multiplayer is deemed a "situational source" at WP:VG/S. There doesn't seem to be much consensus for any of the others, other than GoNintendo is unusable. It seems to originate from the MTV source, and its from a excerpt, word for word from an interview, so its not likely the writer would mess that up. I'd favor including it with the MTV source unless/until someone challenges it. Then we can take it from there. Sergecross73   msg me   23:24, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I replaced the GoNintendo source with the MTV interview it referenced. MTV here is probably fine, as it is just an interview with the game's developer, so yeah, I figured it would be best to change it to the exact source. Personally I do consider GoNintendo to be a fairly reliable source, although I understand the consensus about it, as basically all its stories are from other sources.  Dark Toon Link Heyaah! 09:13, 3 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I read GoNintendo, and enjoy the articles, but it's one of the websites where I have to split my personal views from Wikipedia's views on what a reliable source is. There's no editorial staff or anything like that, its just a Nintendo fan who constantly reposts Nintendo stories, usually with a pro-Nintendo slant... Sergecross73   msg me   12:50, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

Release date
Unless there is an official one, we don't use it. As such, these sources speculating its release date through looking at a newsletter, is not official. When its official, it'll be huge news and all over the Internet, it always is when I high profile game gets a release date. Stop re-adding the speculation. Sergecross73  msg me   13:48, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

May release date
I've seen several people trying to add a May 2014 release date. I didn't find this to be true when I searched for it yesterday. Am I missing something? Or is this just speculation/vandalism? Sergecross73  msg me   13:52, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

The best official source I could find it Nintendo themselves, which has Spring 2014. Another source from Nintendo says the same thing. Anything else is just speculation, probably not vandalism. Chiefmartinez (talk) 17:47, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

Look on Nintendo's youtube page, there is a video for Mario Kart 8 that says the release date, wait, is their already a link? Also, I added the part about drills, whoops, I'm still learning about how to use this website! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scomos (talk • contribs) 13:55, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
 * FYI, you're responding to a conversation that is about 10 months old. We now have an official release date for the game, we just didn't yet last June... Sergecross73   msg me   17:29, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 May 2014
The page says "The game is compatible with the Wii U GamePad, Wii Remote and Nunchuk, Wii U Pro Controller, and Wii Wheel." The Classic Controller is also compatible with Mario Kart 8! [1]

92.4.175.150 (talk) 21:19, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (t • e • c) 21:40, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I think he's trying to add that another controller is also compatible with the game? Unless a source is provided though, I would have turned down this request as well. Sergecross73   msg me   22:48, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 May 2014
Shiho Fuji not Shiho Fuiji

Donnycat9 (talk) 06:21, 30 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Yes check.svg Done Google has it as Fujii. Thanks and welcome, Older and ... well older (talk) 06:30, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

Removing the music section
An editor or 2 keep adding this in. As is, it doesn't belong, because it's merely a regurgitation of the credits of the game. There's no explanation as to who the people are, why it's important that it was them, what they did beyond their title, or any info at all, and there's no source or wiki-links for further information. If any of this changes, and theirs some actual information on the actual soundtrack or sound effects, but in the mean time, Wikipedia isn't the place for a half-assed credits listing. Sergecross73  msg me   01:09, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

MK8 Sold 1.2M in 2 Days not 4 Days
The report for Mario Kart 8 selling 1.2M came on June 1st after the week ended. Meaning it sold that amount in a little more than 2 days. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.27.218.5 (talk) 03:54, 4 June 2014 (UTC)
 * The source used is reliable and lists 4 days. Are you taking different regions/time zones/etc? Or have a source that say otherwise? Sergecross73   msg me   11:51, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

Luigi death stare
Considering that Luigi's death stare has now become an internet meme, should we consider adding it to this article? Richiekim (talk) 17:48, 4 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure where it would be best to put it, but it does seem to be getting a lot of coverage, so I wouldn't oppose its inclusion. Sergecross73   msg me   22:17, 4 June 2014 (UTC)
 * As the 'death stare' got quite some media coverage and was even featured on Fox News, I added it to the article. Cortador (talk) 23:24, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
 * It wasn't Fox News. It was a local Fox station. Huge difference. --Ryan0991 (talk) 07:49, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Reggie also makes reference to it, IIRC. - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 04:37, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Characters
We should have a section about playable characters, people would maybe ask why is there no information about the video games's characters. http://www.mariowiki.com/Mario_Kart_8#Characters Egon Eagle (talk) 11:23, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Character lists are generally inappropriate for most Wikipedia articles, as are lists of the race tracks in the game. The Mario Kart article currently covers the characters that appear in each installment. Also, Super Mario Wiki shouldn't be used as a standard of quality. --ThomasO1989 (talk) 12:35, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 June 2014
Add the following sentence and reference to the "Legacy" section:

The Luigi Death Stare was acknowledged by Nintendo during their E3 2014 Digital Event.

136.181.195.25 (talk) 15:14, 17 June 2014 (UTC)


 * ✅ DJAMP 4444  18:56, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 June 2014
Remove "in the Japanese version of the game" from the sentence about the Mercedes Benz DLC under "Promotion", as it has now been confirmed by Nintendo for release in Europe and North America as well.

136.181.195.25 (talk) 17:46, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 14:51, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Those sources are coming direct from Nintendo itself. They ARE reliable. -- 69.136.149.237 (talk) 15:52, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I agree with the first user. Nothing in the picture says they are releasing it in the US or Europe. It's just the same pic, for all we know they're advertising Japan on all their Twitter pages. Find a source not tied to the tweets. C T F 8 3 !  01:54, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Come on... http://www.gamespot.com/articles/mario-kart-8-mercedes-benz-dlc-coming-to-north-america-europe/1100-6420655/ Sergecross73   msg me  02:01, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Percentages are nice, except when they are without context

 * Shortly after the game's UK launch, it was announced that Wii U console sales had risen 666% in the country

666% from what number of consoles exactly? Vague sales percentages are kind of unhelpful if there is no base-line to compare to, or rather what the sales of the Wii U were in the UK before the launch. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.23.23.65 (talk) 12:19, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
 * It can't be helped, that's all that has been announced for the region. Sergecross73   msg me  12:47, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
 * IP's argument is pretty strong, actually. The statement is undeniably vague and has no use to the reader. I am currently in favor omitting the statement from the article until a reliable source that gives a baseline can be produced. --ThomasO1989 (talk) 16:29, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
 * It strikes me as "better than nothing", but if consensus deems it should be removed, so be it. At least we've got the overall "2 million in one month" figure for its worldwide numbers at this point. Sergecross73   msg me  02:10, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but there is nothing at all to that argument, and Serge is correct. No matter how much we wish our already-good information was even better, it doesn't matter what it is; it's highly reliably notable. — Smuckola (Email) (Talk) 00:30, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

I'm sorry
My son messed up the site, adding something about his own site. I made him remove it, but I can see it stays in the page history. He is very upset; can you prevent our IP from getting banned? 85.23.228.230 (talk) 17:24, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
 * It won't be banned for that. I mean, it doesn't belong on here, but it's not so bad it would warrant a block. You're fine as long as he doesn't try to keep on adding it. Sergecross73   msg me  17:46, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

About the early edit
why is the early edit for this page redrtect to Mario Kart Advanced?. it should be not to be confused with Mario Kart: Super Circuit... oh. and the later-early edit. why its use Old Revision for the Mario Kart 7 page as a placeholder?. --Chazpelo (talk) 00:07, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure I follow. Can you give direct links to the edits you have questions about? Sergecross73   msg me  02:58, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Probably something to do with these edits, when the page started out as a redirect to "Mario Kart Advanced" way back in '06. The early history of the article is full of crystal balling and/or hoaxes. Satellizer   (´ ･ ω ･ `)  11:32, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Whoa, did not realize people were predicting a Mario Kart 8 about 8 years before it came out. (Especially since they weren't numbering entries back then.) So yeah, short version is, those early iterations/edits were mistakes and never should have happened, Chazpelo. Sergecross73   msg me  16:19, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
 * But. when there was a db-r1 Template Showed.. it got removed at a little bit later in 2011 &#32;Chazpelo (talk)
 * in the early history for this page. the firstest edit sayed "i cant lie". this was lies. (The Sign is not showed. there is already a sign)
 * Yes, bogus versions of the article were created well before the game actually existed or was announced. But they're still part of the article history, and thus you can still see them in the history. Sergecross73   msg me  15:00, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

"Stylized"
It's the standard in many articles: WakuWaku Japan, Avex Trax, Hoopla (digital media service), Multimedia Records, Allkpop, but I'm not going to fight over it. - Richfife (talk) 15:32, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, its done on a wide variety of articles, though it is commonly in ones in rather poor shape (like most of your examples, no offense.) I just don't see the point. How can someone look at the article title, look at the boxart, and not come to this conclusion on their own? I completely get it when its an actual different spelling (like Ke$ha/Kesha), but when its just writing the title in all caps? It extremely common for video game boxart to be in all caps. Honestly, I just did a spot check and found 6 in a row that were written in all caps. (Super Mario 64, Super Mario 3D World, Assassin's Creed 3, Assassin's Creed 4, Sonic Heroes, Tony Hawk 3) It's pretty common, obvious stuff. Sergecross73   msg me  15:49, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

Speed boost
Under the "deluxe" section, could someone work on the wording of the part that says that the new game has an extra speed boost; or maybe just work on the general topic of the new game? thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:374A:8F70:0:0:0:49 (talk) 17:08, 3 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Hello. I assume when you say 'extra speed boost', you mean extra drift-boost? Yes, that is a change from Mario Kart 8 to Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, but as per guidelines like WP:N, we can't have it the article, as Mario Kart 8 Deluxe's section is only very small. Manfred (talk) 21:39, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

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Genre
I'm not sure why this is surprisingly a controversial issue, but the game/series is the archetypal kart racing game, so why are we using a more generic term instead? We have no issue with calling Hollow Knight a metroidvania, when all it really is is a platformer. So unless there is a valid reason for not calling this a kart racer, it should stay. This also should apply to every game in the series. ~ Dissident93  ( talk ) 19:56, 12 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure it was mostly this disruptive IP's doing. (The same one who kept adding the "Mario Kart 8 is a 2014 racing game released in 2014" type redundant wording a few weeks ago. I gave him a final warning to cut it out with the unconstructive edits and start discussing, and he hasn't edited since. I think he was the only one in favor of that wording, and it just never got cleaned up. Sergecross73   msg me  20:01, 12 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Must have just slipped through the cracks then. ~ Dissident93  ( talk ) 04:32, 13 October 2017 (UTC)

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Should I add this?
Hello, I recently found something about Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, but I wanted to add it under an expert's permission. The topic is about an offensive gesture that was in Mario Kart 8 Deluxe. Should I add it? Please let me know, and thank you. -Leo Aguado (talk) 20:16, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Well, Wikipedia is not censored, so it being offensive isn't really an issue. So it's more comes down to whether or not it seems important enough to mention or not. There's generally two things that factor it it. 1) Do reliable sources (IGN, Eurogamer, etc) ever mention it? And 2) is there a WP:CONSENSUS of Wikipedia editors believe it should be added? Anyways, that's the general guidance, you'd have to be more specific on what you're talking about to discuss any further. Sergecross73   msg me  21:12, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure that this is what they're referring to. It's covered by a few sources and is a bit similar to the SSBU patch that removed the feather from one of Mr.G&W's animations, which that article also mentions, but of course that doesn't automatically make it notable. --ThomasO1989 (talk) 21:24, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah, if it's that, then I think it's best not to include. It was a pretty minor thing that was rectified quickly and that was the end of it. Sergecross73   msg me  21:59, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

Ok, I think I've finally decided to include it. I found many sources, and I'm pretty sure that the reliable sources that Sergecross73 gave included Polygon, a website for video game news. If you think I shouldn't, then let me know here or message me on my talk page. Thank you. -Leo Aguado (Message me --->) (talk) 14:49, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
 * You still haven't even explained what you're talking about yet, and as I explained, having sources is only half the equation... Sergecross73   msg me  15:14, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

Feel free to remove it if you like. If you didn't like my work, you may remove it. You are an admin of Wikipedia, after all. Message me on my talk page if you disagree with my edit. -Leo Aguado (Message me --->) (talk) 15:33, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I removed it because it's WP:UNDUE trivia in the long scope of things. How offensive is it (or not) has nothing to do with its exclusion. Maybe it can return as a single sentence in the reception section, but no way does it deserve its own mini section. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 21:54, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

Mario Kart 8 Deluxe
Being the highest-selling game in the Switch, it deserves it's own page. MarioFyreFlower (talk) 14:00, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
 * What information would you put in the new article that isn't in this article already? --ThomasO1989 (talk) 18:43, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
 * That's not a factor to how we determine whether or not things get their own article. Sergecross73   msg me  21:33, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Merge discussion
There is no reason Mario Kart 8 Deluxe needs to be split into a separate article. There's no need for a split. Sergecross73  msg me  01:52, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
 * 1) Deluxe is literally the same game with some DLC packed in. This isn't even the usual "do remakes/remasters need their own article" debate as of late. It's the same game.
 * 2) The split article wasn't even done well. It's just a bloated, hastily put together reception section. No sort of development info. Any if this could fit in the parent article just fine.
 * Merge per nom. Sergecross73   msg me  01:52, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Merge, the only really new thing to Mario Kart 8 Deluxe that wasn't in the original is a fully fleshed out Battle Mode. Otherwise it's the same game with DLC, a new battle mode, and some other minor QOL improvements. Also it's only a reception section. No development or gameplay section. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 02:02, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Oh ya and I think there may be 1 new kart (the Master Cycle Zero from the BoTW expansion pack, still doesn't make it much of a new game). ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 02:03, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Strong/speedy merge. This is silly. As is evident from the current article, there is far too little standalone content/media coverage to warrant a separate page for the Deluxe release.  The fact that there are a handful of "reviews" of the deluxe game does not mean that a separate article is warranted.  None of the editors that favor a separate article have shown one is needed. DocFreeman24 (talk) 02:04, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I agree that this is a silly. I do agree that this should be a speedy merge. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 02:06, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I tried boldly redirecting it because it was a pretty obvious call, but was immediately reverted by the article creator with an edit summary that totally missed the point, so I started this discussion up. Sergecross73   msg me  02:09, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Merge Basically the same as any typical "GOTY Edition" and not requiring its own article.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 02:07, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Merge Per nom, Blaze, and DocFreeman. Nothing to add. -- ferret (talk) 02:07, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Merge Per nom. – Pbrks (t • c) 02:18, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Merge, they should be one article. Sultan the Sultan (talk) 06:13, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Merge; while 8 Deluxe has some new reimagined content (with a glorified Battle game-mode), there isn't anything here that would make a split necessary. There's an argument that the content is big enough to warrant a split, but that's not what we're looking for. Per WP:CONSPLIT, two pieces of content that are different enough have the ability to split to avoid confusion. However, with 8 and 8 Deluxe, their Gameplay and Reception sections are gonna be exactly the same anyways, and since there's little to no development info abut 8 Deluxe, what's the reason to split? I disagree with point 2 made by Serge, though; an article doesn't need to be made good to be split or created (take Mario & Luigi for example, and article I worked on in the draftspace and was no where near done with but someone moved to mainsapce anyways). Panini! 🥪 12:28, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Merge. The Nintendo support page lists all of the differences in a list with only nine different bullets on it-- one of these includes playing in "TV mode" on the Switch. This is basically the same game with just little tweaks.  Nomader  ( talk ) 00:29, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

DLC reception
See https://www.theverge.com/22989188/mario-kart-8-deluxe-booster-course-pass-dlc-tracks-price-features-nintendo-switch - Verge is a reliable source, and gives a much more detailed and well-written/nuanced review of the new DLC content. It's far better than a lot of the "gamers are mad on the internet" stuff that's been proposed lately. We should be aiming to add more content like this. Sergecross73  msg me  21:00, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Why not just use both? I think having reviews from professional critics and reliable sources reporting on the opinions of general consumers would better indicate the mixed feelings people have on the DLC. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 21:07, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Because gamers complain about everything always on the internet. They always want more and it's never enough. Pretty run of the mill stuff. If Nintendo (or any game company) announced 200 course for free, there'd be people complaining that it was 300 courses back in 2019. I'm not saying scrub it, I'm just saying we should keep due weight and keep it brief because it's mostly fringe-level blogs covering right right now. It's better to keep including more critical commentary as it develops, like the Verge stuff.  Sergecross73   msg me  21:52, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
 * What do you mean "fringe level blogs?" Aside from the Verge source you mentioned, all the current sources are from Nintendo Life, Eurogamer, VideoGamesChronicle and Kotaku, four sources that are considered unambiguously reliable. And again, if it wasn't notable, multiple reliable sources wouldn't be writing about it. (Plus, it's literally one sentence. I don't think that's undue weight.) -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 01:02, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm not talking about that, I'm talking about all that Gamerant and other junk source type junk those other editors have been adding. Sergecross73   msg me  01:19, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Yeah, no, we're in agreement on that. At this point, it's just Trekker-J1 trying to force it through. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 02:17, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I think we're more or less on the same page. I dont wish to remove the content you're referring to. I just don't want it it to keep unnecessarily expanding out. I just know how example bloat works on Wikipedia. Someone adds an example of something. Someone adds a second one. And then before you know it there's an editor that thinks we need 15 examples of virtually the same exact thing. Sergecross73   msg me  03:03, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Excuse me, Sergecross73, Cyberlink420, Dissident93?
 * Listen, I owe you all an apology.
 * Look. I stopped by and I wanted to apologize for all the trouble I never meant to cause. I never meant to be a pest when I kept editing the Mario Kart 8 Deluxe section to explain that the Mario Kart 8 Deluxe DLC has more than one issue. I only wanted to share additional info & issues that I felt Mario Kart fans should at least be aware of. Needless to say, I've made an apology message to let you know that I'm sorry, but also want to explain my reasons to why I added the information that I made.
 * Just in case you didn't receive it yet, here's what my apologies & reasons say.
 * My apology reads, and I quote...
 * "Please forgive me, Sergecross73, Cyberlink420, & Dissident93. I am so very sorry. It was never my intention to engage in an edit war.
 * But at least please try to hear me out.
 * In my opinion, talking only about one issue about the Mario Kart 8 Deluxe DLC is NOT enough.
 * In addition to people's gripes with the graphical differences of the tracks between the DLC & the Base game, other players & fans of the Mario Kart have raised other issues, like the DLC tracks' lack of Anti-Gravity Mechanics, & especially the DLC's lack of other content like characters, vehicles, wheels, gliders, outfits / skins (aka the "characters alts from Tour"), power-ups, & so on.
 * Besides GameRant & Essentially Sports, the ONLY 2 internet sources who've touched about the latter topic in regards of lack of other contet such as characters, vehicles, & more, many people on Platforms such as Twitter & YouTube have either at least mentioned said issue, or even criticized the issue. Even big name YouTubers like GameXplain, NintendoLife, & Arlo have mentioned or even wished that said content would be implemented to Mario Kart 8 Deluxe to go along with the tracks.
 * My reasons for adding the information I've been trying to add in the Mario Kart 8 Deluxe section of the Mario Kart 8 Wikipedia page is because NOT everyone focuses on only one issue that the Mario Kart 8 Deluxe DLC has. You can't always say that the graphical differences is the ONLY issue that the DLC, you need to discuss OTHER issues, too.
 * And everytime I saw that information removed, I felt that you were censoring information that Mario Kart fans could at least be aware of.
 * As much as I want to share legitimate sources that discuss the DLC's issue of Lack of characters, vehicles, & other content, the PROBLEM is that other than GameRant & Essentially sports, big name news sources, as far as I know of, DON'T DO THAT.
 * The only people I know who discuss on or even at least mention such an issue are...
 * -GameRant
 * -Essentially Sports
 * -YouTubers, including big names like GameXplain, NintendoLife, & Arlo
 * -Twitter Users
 * At least consider that you can't always focus on only one issue that fans have with the DLC. You have to consider OTHER issues, too.
 * Besides, if YouTube Videos & Twitter Tweets are allowed as references so long as they're legitimate, like with the Green Eggs & Ham (TV Series) Wikipedia page having the Trailer on YouTube & the Announcement Date on a Netflix Twitter account as references, why not videos made by big names like GameXplain & NintendoLife?
 * But all things considered, if you really don't want to me to edit the Mario Kart 8 page anymore, then fine, I'll knock it off.
 * Just at least PLEASE consider the OTHER issues that the Mario Kart 8 Deluxe DLC has, and not only one issue it has. Okay?
 * Sincerely & with humblest apologies,
 * Trekker-J1"
 * So I hope you understand my reasons to why I wanted the information added to the section. But regardless, I do want to apologize to you & tell you that I'm sorry. I only wanted to share information to help Mario Kart fans be aware of, & not cause any trouble at all.
 * And with Mario Kart's 30th Anniversary coming this August, I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo added more characters, vehicles, wheels, gliders, outfit / skins (characters alts from Tour), power-ups (maybe), & other content to Mario Kart 8 Deluxe.
 * Besides, in my honest opinion, if tracks from Mario Kart Tour are coming over to Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, then surely, Nintendo should do the same with Tour's characters, vehicles, wheels, gliders, outfit / skins (characters alts from Tour), power-ups (maybe), & other content.
 * Not to mention that one day, Mario Kart Tour will shut down, just like Dr. Mario World did, so it'd be wise to preserve Tour's content in Mario Kart 8 Deluxe.
 * But regardless, please... Forgive me for all the trouble that I never meant to cause. I am truly sorry.
 * P.S. If you see my apology in your User Talk pages, as well as my own User Talke Page, please forgive me for that, too. I wasn't for sure if you were referring to User Talk Pages, or Mario Kart 8's Talk Page.
 * Anyway, thank you very much, have a nice day, & you all stay healthy & safe.
 * And in the case with Mario Kart 8 Deluxe & other racing games, keep on racing! Trekker-J1 (talk) 04:59, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I haven't been involved in this edit war but here's my perspective. If it is a significant and notable enough to be on Wikipedia, a reliable source will have reported on it. Youtube and Twitter are reliable in some cases but not in all. For instance, as you mentioned if something were announced by Twitter or Youtube on an OFFICIAL verified account that is reporting ON ITSELF (such as a trailer or a writer of a show announcing something related to the show) then it would be reliable. telling people to look it up because people have talked about it on twitter and youtube is NOT how wikipedia works, the information needs to be cited there for readers to see, just because there are sources for something does NOT mean it doesn't have to be cited. If you can find a good reliable source talking about it then great, until then it's not quite notable enough to be on Wikipedia. You should take a look at WP:N, while this is technically about whether or not a subject is notable enough to have it's own article, it's still a similar idea.
 * Also, normally this kind of thing would be in a reception section. AFrickingNerd (talk) 17:46, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

, as Serge mentioned at his own talk page, this is not what Wikipedia is for. It's not our job to propagate outrage against anything. We're not here to list off every grievance the "fans" have. Take that to social media. --ThomasO1989 (talk) 16:10, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
 * For the record, my response was here. I didn't realize this was posted on multiple areas, so I had just responded there. Sergecross73   msg me  16:14, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

Deluxe boxart
I added the game icon for the Deluxe version of the game as this version of the game is generally considered notable, the logo is stylized differently from the Wii U box art, and this version of the game has sold more copies than the Wii U version. However, I am willing to open this up for discussion if other users' have differing opinions. Theknine2 (talk) 09:37, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Being the box art of the higher selling version doesn't make it notable, unless multiple reliable sources have explicitly commentated on the change. That said, the existing consensus is that the image is copyrighted, and the fewer copyrighted images we have per article, the better. IMO, this image does not add additional context and is just decoration. --ThomasO1989 (talk) 18:01, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia image policy is pretty strict when it comes to copyrighted images - box art, icon art, any official art really - so there's not a good chance of images like this sticking around long-term. Sergecross73   msg me  22:49, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I don't see opinions changing much from last time someone tried to add the Deluxe box a month ago. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 02:02, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Separate articles
I believe Mario Kart 8 and Mario Kart 8 Deluxe should be separate articles. Nate-Dawg921 (talk) 14:02, 22 May 2022 (UTC)


 * See the archived discussion on this very page. That proposal failed pretty strongly. Sergecross73   msg me  16:30, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

Consensus request: Shy Guy daredevils in Coconut Mall
In one of the tracks for Mario Kart 8 Deluxe; Coconut Mall, a track remastered from the Wii and included in the First Wave of the Booster Course Pass; two Shy Guys riding elaborate cars are encountered before the last turn to the gate. When the track was released for the Switch, the Shy Guys were stationary, unlike the original incarnation in which they moved to and fro. From what I understand, that apparently displeased many MK8 fans. Since the Second Wave, the Shy Guys now perform daredevil stunts, including donut spins to frustrate the racers. This, according to an IGN article, has lead to all sorts of viral videos, including one in which a spinning Shy Guy hits Princess Peach after she was struck by a Red Shell. Other videos show players attempting to emulate those stunts; then, of course, come parodies and oft-irrelevant pop references. This positive reception seems similar to the "Luigi's death stare" that carries the potential as an Internet meme.

Admittedly, IGN writes that the "Shy Guy daredevils" haven't achieved the level of a meme right away. Assuming it does, however, would this be worth mentioning in the article? Until there is a consensus, don't add anything about it.

As a sidenote, I was hit by the Shy Guys at least once. I was playing as Toad on my final approach to the finish line when they performed a donut, bashing me out of the lead—talk about the worst case of hit-and-run! Nebulous2357 (talk) 15:57, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I guess maybe a sentence about it could happen, since there's already an "internet meme" section, but there's not much of encyclopedic value to discuss here really. Sergecross73   msg me  00:19, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I would think a sentence in the meme section would be alright, but not really anything more than that. (Oinkers42) (talk) 14:35, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Preferably there should be another RS covering it other than just IGN. But IGN is already a reasonably good source for gaming in general, so if kept brief and curated carefully to avoid WP:UNDUE, the mention would work well in the article.  Invading Invader  (userpage, talk) 06:27, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

8DX content
The result of the merge discussion of this article to Mario Kart 8 Deluxe was no consensus, so I made a couple edits to remove all 8DX information. But, it was reverted by @Axem Titanium because "the close does not indicate to strip out MK8DX content from this article". But compare the current version of this article to the current version of the 8DX article. Almost all of the information pertaining specifically to 8DX is in the 8DX article, almost verbatim. If there's no merge happening, then why do we need to repeat all this information? ThomasO1989 (talk) 17:57, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I believe a No Consensus outcome from the discussion should result in a return to the prior status quo, which was a single article. This is not a "merge" per se, but rather an "un-split". See additional discussion with the closer. Axem Titanium (talk) 20:37, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

GA preparations
@Axem Titanium—pinging you here to bring the discussion over to the appropriate talk page: Yeah, I'm happy to help with the GA! Looking through, though, there are some things that should be done before the nomination: DecafPotato (talk) 04:05, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Finish adding some information from the Mario Kart 8 Deluxe article added after the merge draft was made – I don't know if there's that much left, but info on the Black Friday bundle should be moved over.
 * Expand the prose of the Reception section to include all Mario Kart 8 reviews listed in the table – this is outlined as a requirement at Video game reviews.
 * Update Booster Course Pass reception to include Wave 3


 * Another thing: the two non-free screenshots in the Gameplay section could be reduced to one—I'll boot up 8 Deluxe to see if I can get a screenshot of Renegade Roundup showing renegades and authorities in split-screen driving on an anti-gravity section. DecafPotato (talk) 04:28, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for putting this together; I got busy over the weekend so I didn't have a chance to respond. I'm not sure Black Friday stuff is that critical to include, feels kind of buyers' guide-y. For Reception, I don't know that there were more topics I wanted to discuss, so let's look at the table with an eye for removing entries. RE: Screenshots, that's great. They'll definitely ding us on WP:NFCC with this many screenshots. Axem Titanium (talk) 21:55, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

Wave 4 of Booster Course Pass
Wave 4 of the Booster Course Pass has been announced in a Nintendo Direct today. Please provide a source for it. 45.72.238.106 (talk) 00:53, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Mario Kart Booster Pass should be its own page
mario kart 8 deluxe can be its own page or it can be part of this, that one doesn't matter as much 2.102.42.98 (talk) 21:19, 22 February 2023 (UTC)


 * We had a lengthy community discussion about that a few months back, and it was decided that we don't need to split it at this point. Sergecross73   msg me  21:59, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
 * we shouldn't even have separate pages for Mario Kart 8 and Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, let alone DLC... Popcornfud (talk) 22:01, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Please see this discussion here. Pizzaplayer219TalkContribs 17:11, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

"Best-selling Mario game"
This unsourced/poorly sourced claim keeps getting added to the article. This is a very substantial claim to make. Per WP:V, we need to source everything, let alone massive claims like this. If its true, so be it, but we need the source to include it. And it needs to be a source that directly states it, comparing separate sales figures and making the claim yourself violates WP:OR/WP:SYNTH.

As a side note, if this is confirmed to be true, it really seems like it would be a major headline or promotional point for Nintendo or something. I find it hard to believe this officially happened and no one's talking about it. Sergecross73  msg me  16:17, 13 April 2023 (UTC)


 * But mario kart 8 sold more copies than super mario bros. Why can't I put some edvience of that, or at least some ciation needed thing? 178.35.232.66 (talk) 07:53, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Please provide your evidence here, on the talk page, and editors can determine whether or not it's appropriate to add to the article. Your first few attempts lacked a source and/or violated our "no original research" policy. Sergecross73   msg me  11:13, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
 * What Serge said. Per Wikipedia policy we need secondary reliable sources to include this information, we can't use our own working. Popcornfud (talk) 11:16, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I found this reliable source that talks about the best selling Mario games. <b style="background:#f5b836;color:#d12b1f;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Pizzaplayer219</b>Talk<sub title="C" style="margin-left:-22q;">Contribs 14:23, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
 * If we can verify where they got those sales, then maybe, but their methodology, which they outright state, is not great:
 * Methodology: Brightspeedplans.com, an internet and telecommunications company, began the study by compiling a list of the most popular Mario game series in the Nintendo franchise using ratings from Fandom, VGChartz and Metacritic
 * Sergecross73  msg me  14:39, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Yeah I know. I think we should wait for a month before adding this information. Especially since The Super Mario Bros. Movie is still premiering, I think that reliable sources will report on this after the premiere since they’re more focused on the Mario movie right now. <b style="background:#f5b836;color:#d12b1f;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Pizzaplayer219</b>Talk<sub title="C" style="margin-left:-22q;">Contribs 14:43, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Literally the worst possible sources for them to claim :P -- ferret (talk) 14:45, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Yup. And like I alluded to in my edit summary, this isn't the sort of thing that one should have to do much digging to find if it's official. Kind of like official release dates with major games. For example, the release date of Tears of the Kingdom. Before it had an official date, people would question/dig/debate for answers on a release date. But as soon as it was officially announced, every gaming website in existence wrote an article about it. Now that it's official, the simplist of Google searches yields hundreds of results. Same applies here. Once it's confirmed, it'll be all over the internet and easy to find. (Or if it's not, then it's likely not true and we're missing something here.) Regardless, there's no rush to add something like this. The articles already quite clear about it being a massive seller, which is the most important thing to establish. Sergecross73   msg me  18:00, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
 * But, what if I add ciation needed thing on some info that I wrote? 95.215.116.145 (talk) 13:48, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
 * It'll just be removed since you must provide the citation for any information you add. ― <b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Blaze Wolf</b>Talk<sub title="Discord Username" style="margin-left:-22q;">Blaze Wolf#6545 13:51, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
 * That's a bad choice when there's multiple editors already contesting the claim. Sergecross73   msg me  14:08, 9 May 2023 (UTC)