Talk:Mario Kart DS/Archive 1

Whats with the vandalism?
I just fixed changing all the "Sonic's" back to "mario's". Whats with this?
 * You can revert all changes by going to history and editing the correct version of the page. That way it's not a big deal to delete vandalism.--Zxcvbnm 00:21, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism
This page was vandalised within the last 24 days, so the page has been reverted to the latest edit before the vandalism. It should be fine now. Just keep an eye out for more vandalism. --Matt 06:20, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

67.183.110.69 12:21, 11 February 2006 (UTC)Shy guy is only in DS download wi-fi linked games.67.183.110.69 12:21, 11 February 2006 (UTC) --67.183.110.69 12:21, 11 February 2006 (UTC)Marcus67.183.110.69 12:21, 11 February 2006 (UTC)--

Vandalism 2
Who the **** would put a giant penis as an unlockable character? And big rigs? and the others? &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.166.214.217 (talk • contribs).

Seriously, people should just stop questioning what is obvious vandalism. We know what is true and what has been edited to make the artical look like crap, so I don't see any point in worring about it. Just let the editors do their job. (This is comming from a respected fourmer at the Mystical Forest Zone, so I know what I'm talking about)

More vandalism
Apparently, some journalist thinks this game will end all games and trigger Armageddon (probably misspelled) according to the vandal. I agree, but that doesn't belong here. ~ Doug teh H-Nut &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 172.149.236.106 (talk • contribs).

People from GameFAQs are vandalizing
Just letting you know. &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.34.99.44 (talk • contribs).


 * More specifically, people from the Life, the Universe, and Everything board (LUE), as made obvious by their many LUEshis and obsession with corgis. &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.139.226.226 (talk • contribs).

Wow...
I'm not surprised one bit by all of this brouhaha. They're still alive and causing trouble? I thought they'd all be locked up in juvenile hall/prison by now. Inexcusable little rapscallions, they are. Ron Stoppable 02:01, 8 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Just lock the main page until the kiddies simmer down. &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.41.212.243 (talk • contribs).

Hey, just for clarification, LUE is NOT vandalizing the pages. We never have had ANYTHING to do with Corgis. &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.171.234.111 (talk • contribs).

Stub?!
I don't think this article is a stub. It provides specific information, and also contains up-to-date information. &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.221.137.238 (talk • contribs).

I agree, it is not a stub. We should get a few more people to agree before getting rid of the stub notice though.

The- 07:31, 9 October 2005 &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by The- (talk • contribs).


 * I completely agree with you there. This is the most informative page I have seen on MKDS. --Jacobmp92 13:35, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

Screenshots
Do you think the number of images should be cut down for 56k users? • Thorpe • 20:07, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, or maybe just make them thumbnails...it's going to be awesome Karting against somebody from across the world... -bowlofnoodles- 19:51, 28 July 2005 (GMT)

About the screenshots, is somebody going to put them back up? I, myself, don't know how to. -- Matt 09:20, 31 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Cool. The screenshots are up and they look great.  Can't wait for online racing. &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by Matt Heard (talk • contribs).

Obsolete screenshots
The screenshots arrayed at the bottom of the article are from an early version of the game. Most notably, the character models are less detailed, and Cheep Cheep Beach has grass that is not present in the final version. Some of these differences can still be found in the Mario Kart DS Demo Version at DS kiosks in retail stores. --Poiuyt Man talk 07:58, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Mission Mode Bosses
shadow mario is not any of the 6 bosses. a list of bosses can by found here --Darkain Dragoon 08:15, 8 November 2005 (UTC)


 * here is the revised info  --Darkain Dragoon 15:19, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

I propose removing the headings in the Mission Mode Bosses to prevent from spoiling them in the outline at the top of the article. JerryArr 06:06, 11 November 2005 (UTC)


 * agreed, and done. --Darkain Dragoon 12:13, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

Game Speed
I think it might be worth mentioning somewhere that online WFC matches run at 100cc speeds, and time-attack mode runs at 150cc. This question has come up before on forums online. --Darkain Dragoon 23:51, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
 * The article needs a significant rewrite in order for a section on the WFC portion of the game to be appropriate. Darkain, if you have the game, maybe you can start restructuring the article. I'll help as soon as I get a copy. 66.41.212.243 03:39, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Any idea what the speed for the missions are? --ThrashedParanoid 02:26, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I would think 150cc, as Mirror and Time Trial use it, but I'm not sure. The- 18:18, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Interesting, and on that note, what speed dose battle run at? Perhapse once all the speeds are known it can be added as one subsection. --ThrashedParanoid 21:05, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Merging of two Modes sections
It seems a bit weird having two Modes sections. If I had my DS here I would merge them, but as it stands I would probably make a few big mistakes.

Also, from what I can see, time trial mode is missing from both sections. --Croperz 13:36, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

Time trials
I think this information should not be in the wikipedia article, isntead, i think it should be featured in the wikibooks instead. --Darkain Dragoon 09:38, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
 * It might just be me, but I think it's too short for a full wikibooks entry. Unless somebody altered the segment on time attacking. I could see this being posted on wikibooks if the staff ghosts times were recorded, but otherwhise I think it should stand. -- • An_User • 12:16, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Item stat
From what I've seen in my own racing, how long a kart remains affected after getting hit by a Lightning Bolt does not seem to vary by the kart's own Item stat, but more on its position within the race (as described in the 'Items' section of the article). It could vary by the attacker's Item stat though... (this may need verification). Stratadrake 05:58, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Hidden Characters
Where is it confirmed that Koopa Troopa is a secret character? --JerryArr 04:17, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

R.O.B. is confirmed to be in the game, as shown in the lower right corner of the character selection screen. --Darkain Dragoon 16:40, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

How do I unlock rob? &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by Cfive (talk • contribs).


 * To unlock R.O.B, beat the 150cc Mirror normal cup. If you beat the 150cc Mirror classic cup, you get access to all 36 karts for any character. -- ReyBrujo 03:25, 12 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Here is a cleaner screen shot . he is a confirmed character, so lets keep him in that section  --Darkain Dragoon 02:05, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

I just got rid of the "Rumored Unlockable Characters" section and changed "Confirmed Unlockable Characters" to, simply, "Unlockable Characters". Any objection? &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.41.212.243 (talk • contribs).

Koopa Troopa, Toadette, Petey Piranha, and Shy Guy have been confimed by several reliable sources. &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.139.226.226 (talk • contribs).


 * The screenshots I've seen don't show them, and there's no room for anyone else. -- VederJuda 00:33, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

The source wasn't reliable. It was some emerging site who had no evidence they were in the game. --EmperorPenguin 02:35, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

Remove the rumoured characters section?
Plenty of people have had preview cards of Mario Kart now. There are 13 characters, which are all accounted for. &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.3.146.114 (talk • contribs).


 * I did it. Go me! &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.41.212.243 (talk • contribs).

Shy Guy
I've heard some people say that they've hacked the game and made Shy Guy a playable character. I was told that his weight stat is the same as Yoshi's, but could somebody with a flash cart and passme check? -- • An_User • 12:16, 20 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Far as I know Shy Guy is only available during download play.--Acebrock 18:07, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Tracks
Are there 32 or 40? The chance of there being 5 tracks per cup are unlikely, but if anyone can provide a credible source. None of the previous Mario Karts have had 5 tracks in a cup. The Mario Kart website states that there are 30 tracks, which is most likely the 32 which have been shown. Can somebody prove that 40 tracks is unsupported speculation, or that it is actually the truth? IMO, I hope there are 40 tracks, but I'm skeptical. 32 is still great. Plus Mirror Mode. -- Matt 10:02, 9 November 2005 (UTC)


 * There are definitely only 4 tracks in a cup (though the original Mario Kart did have 5 per cup, just for the record), and there are many reliable sites confirming this (GameSpot makes a comment about "the full 32 tracks" here when mentioning that they won't all be available online). So unless there are secret cups or something, which would have probably been discovered by now, then it's just 32 tracks. --Tumalu 06:52, 10 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Sorry. Forgot about the 5 in Mario Kart.  It's been ages since I've played that.  NES stored away somewhere in the attic.  I should get it out sometime... -- Matt 20:57, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

Home Course On Nitro Cups
The home course for Mario and Princess Peach is Delfino Square, the home course for Luigi and Princess Daisy is Luigi's Mansion, the home course for Wario is Wario Stadium, the home course for Waluigi is Waluigi Pinball, the home course for Bowser and R.O.B. is Bowser Castle, the home course for Yoshi is Yoshi Falls. --ZachKudrna18@yahoo.com

Available courses online
Someone has said that all 32 courses are available for online play, but I can't find any such source. TYP at PlanetGameCube answered several times in the mailbag that only 20 courses are available, and listed exactly which ones. Does anyone have a link that says all 32 are available. Until then, I'm leaving the list of courses with the unavailable courses marked. -- VederJuda 13:39, 8 November 2005 (UTC)


 * there are only 20 courses online. (this coming from someone who is practically living on the game online) --Darkain Dragoon 02:45, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

A racer called parasyte hacked mario kart online so he could use the other tracks online.

Track tables
I reformatted the track listings from a standard bulleted list to tables (except for battle). If anyone has any problems with it or changes they want made to the tables, but do not know how, just post. Tables present information much more easily and they take up a lot less space vertically. I also created the WFC redirect. &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.41.212.243 (talk • contribs).
 * I was working on making the tables look better while the vandalism occured. It was locked moments before I was about to save my changes. Here's the track section with the changes that I've made.

thealexfish 08:45, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

Trivia
Do we actually have any valid information that the Rainbow Road from this game is the beta from Mario Kart 64? I've heard the rumor too, but unless a source from Nintendo is cited, I think it should be removed. The same goes for the intended launch title release. It's all well and good to speculate, but you can't post things you don't know as facts. Also, should we trim it even further by removing the tidbits about unlockables and King Boo? At the very least, it deserves some reformatting (it seems to "break" from the article's writing style) -- • An_User • 12:16, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Ghost's Invisibility
I noticed that in this video of a normal race, when the user activated the ghost item at 0:20, he didn't turn transparent, as characters did in other Mario Kart games to indicate that they had turned invisible. Thus, I'm not sure whether using the Ghost item causes invisibility in racing mode.

This does, however, prove it's avalible in modes other than battle. &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.114.203.249 (talk • contribs).


 * I get a file not found error on that site, but then I tend to block cookies like the plague, and these sites don't like that; can anyone else see it? -- VederJuda 03:34, 8 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Nevermind, I looked at mariokart.com, and it states that Ghost does give invisibility. 70.114.203.249 04:54, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Item categories not fully correct.
The current category sorting of the items is not fully correct, since many of the items can be obtained outside of their category, depending on the Item rating of the player's kart. It also is not accurate when there are less than eight players in a race. It needs to be reworded a bit to note that the item categories are not set in stone. --Poiuyt Man talk 04:55, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

Well, we can just put a note saying that it is the karts with average item stats that it is for. I think they are in fact correct for all item stats; all high item stats do is increase your chance of getting Triple Shells, Bananas, and Mushrooms as opposed to their single counterparts, make items such as Bullet Bills and Stars last longer on you, increase the amount of time items such as Thunderbolts and Bloopers affect you for, and give you more Mushrooms for Time Trial. I think items can only be obtained outside the category if you steal them with a Boo, or get them in a different category to when you ran over the Item, as the Roulette is determined by the position you are in when you get the Item Box. For example, if you run over an Item Box in second, move up to first while the Roulette is going, and get a Mushroom (a 2nd-3rd item), it is because you were in second when you ran over the Item Box. If you are sure that it does affect the categories, give your evidence and we can maybe put up the note mentioned earlier. The- 08:06, 24 December 2005 (UTC)


 * It's quite easy to observe that these categories aren't correct by simply starting up an 8-player versus round in Single Player, and pausing to record the results. Here are some results I recorded in Wario Stadium, 100cc Special Cup, playing as Daisy in the Standard DS Kart. To avoid complications, I only recorded those items where I did not change my place between getting the box and the roulette stopping.
 * While in 2nd Place, received Green Shell (should require 1st) twice
 * While in 4th Place, received Red Shell (2nd-3rd) once
 * While in 8th Place, received Triple Mushroom (4th-5th) three times, Golden Mushroom (6th-8th) once, Star (6th-8th) once, Thunderbolt (6th-8th) twice, and Bullet Bill (6th-8th) twice.
 * According to the article (and various FAQs), it should not have been possible for me to get 6 out of those 12 items. Try it out yourself.


 * Additionally, out of the three FAQs on GameFAQs that list required places for items (1, 2, and 3), all of them list different information. The article appears to use the third FAQ for the item information. Three conflicting sources, with no official word from Nintendo, is enough to deem the item information unverifiable. --Poiuyt Man talk 15:52, 11 January 2006 (UTC)


 * That information should go in a Wikibook, not in the main article. -- ReyBrujo 15:19, 24 December 2005 (UTC)


 * There is a Wikibook already located at Mario Kart DS Gerard Foley 21:09, 24 December 2005 (UTC)


 * THe items are orginzed so when you are in first, you can only get the first group of items, when 2 or 3, you can get items from the first and the second group. When you are in 4th or 5th you can get items in group one two and three. ANd when you are in 6-8 place you can get any item. &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 167.102.161.90 (talk • contribs).


 * I repeat, all that information should be moved to a Wikibook, or deleted from this article. -- ReyBrujo 20:41, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

I think 167.102.161.90 is correct; all the "wrong category" items were received below the supposed category. The- 18:06, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Snaking?
The part of the article referring to snaking appears to be wrong. I was under the impression that it was achieved by boosting (powersliding), rather than drafting. --Croperz 14:44, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Mini Turbos
Quit changing it back. Nintendo has not confirmed snaking is intentional. If it is, produce a reference. &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.147.113.244 (talk • contribs).
 * There used to be a reference to a forum post, it seems it was deleted during the vandalism time. -- ReyBrujo 16:40, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Here's your reference: http://forums.nintendo.com/nintendo/board/message?board.id=mario_kart_ds&message.id=165162&query.id=0#M165162

That is from a forum so you can't be sure how reliable it is. Dlong 20:47, 17 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Supposedly, one of the Nintendo execs has officially confirmed snaking as not part of the game's intended design. But can we verify that? Stratadrake 03:47, 2 May 2006 (UTC)


 * The link to the Nintendo forum should be enough. He is one of Nintendo playtesters, so he should know. Maybe it was not intentional when it was first created, but that post should confirm it. -- ReyBrujo 03:50, 2 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I disagree, myself. That's why an official answer on the subject would be ideal -- forum posts aren't necessarily as credible.Stratadrake 00:15, 3 May 2006 (UTC)


 * http://www.nintendo.com/newsarticle?articleid=Ln6VXJsPH0N3bG3US-eV1Hi8CfRY2Qum&page
 * A news article is more officiated than a forum post, but personally, I'm still labelling it as just his opinion on the subject. --Stratadrake 03:00, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Microphone
What part of the game does the microphone come into this? --Thorpe 14:35, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
 * In the battle mode, you can inflate new balloon by either pressing Select or by blowing into the microphone. -- ReyBrujo 14:45, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Official Website
Looks like there's a problem with that website. I tried to reach it the last time, but there was nothing there and the bar at the bottom part of the window claimed that the searching was completely done. --ZachKudrna18@yahoo.com

Move to Wikibooks
This is a very good article but I feel as if a lot of it would be better at Wikibooks. I started to move some stuff over but I didn't delete anything here. Gerard Foley 14:34, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

New User Template
I made a new user template if anyone is interested. Gerard Foley 03:09, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Excellent template, too bad nobody uses it...--ThrashedParanoid 02:48, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I have slightly modified it to give it more visibility by using the box art. Feel free to revert it if it is not that good. I would use it, but I haven't yet tried it online. -- ReyBrujo 03:37, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

I reverted the image because it is probably a violation of copyright. Gerard Foley 16:43, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Option pack?
An anonymous user in this edit said that when MKSC was in Slot 2, it could not be played. I've removed it because I've been able to play MKSC when MKDS was in Slot 1. Hbdragon88 05:48, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
 * The first time I turned on my DS with MKDS in it, it detected, MK:SC as an option card. I don't think you can play it while it picks it up as an option card. It hasn't done that since then though so I don't know if it was a glitch or something. I don't think it did anything to either game but I'm not sure.Some guy 05:50, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
 * It's a "glitch" in the DS itself, happens when a GBA game isn't detected properly(Usually caused by dust or the game not being inserted fully) Happens from time to time, especially if you swap games often. Smoke 21:24, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Ratings
I added the ratings for the other two releases, and added graphics for ESRB and Pegi. Sources: OFCL Source Cero Source--ThrashedParanoid 23:55, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

There's cartoon violence in that game, which is, you get hit by a solid car and flip, and you get hit by a Spiny Shell and you also lose items when you take damage. --Zachkudrna18@yahoo.com

Kart page merge
Please merge karts like B Dasher into this page please. Thanks. Voice of  All T 06:10, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Quick Question
Just curious: why does the information regarding the race start boost (accelerating just as the 2 fades) get removed? Is it because it is a cheat/hint rather than valuable information? --Teabagged 04:39, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Online Scoring
I see someone took out the part about losses being subtracted from a player's record, it doesn't happen. But are these worth mentioning?


 * A player can disconnect before the first race (i.e. during the kart- or track- selection screen) without taking a losses penalty.
 * If the fourth race of a multiplayer set cannot be completed because all other players have disconnected, the remaining player does not receive any wins (though the others still receive losses for disconnecting).

...Also, there are rumors floating around on Nintendo's forums of a glitch that allows losses to be subtracted from a player's record under certain conditions. Stratadrake 04:39, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

You guys didn't even mention PRB
PRB = Prolonged Rocket Boost, its starting to become common

(Sort of like Snaking, but timed perfectly with the starting boost so that when you go offroad you lose no speed) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.54.187.181 (talk • contribs).

Do we need this?
Someone added this to the article -- I'm unsure if it's actually noteworthy, so I'll post it here in the meantime.

====Leading On==== Another tactic is the use of "leading on." It is done when a player goes in the path of a dropped item, like a banana or a shell when there is an opponent behind the player. Once the player reaches within mere feet of the item, he or she will move out of the way. If done correctly, the opponent will smash into that item.

My thoughts:
 * Not specific to MKDS, or even the Mario Kart series -- can be done in just about any racing game featuring items and/or obstacles.
 * Not actually a feature (unlike drafting).
 * Unsure if this is even a common tactic in the first place (unlike snaking).

--Stratadrake 01:33, 25 May 2006 (UTC)