Talk:Maris Crane

Unseen Character category
Some anonymous contributor keeps reversing the application of the Unseen Character attribute to Maris. This should at least be discussed. My belief is that despite her 'shadow' being seen, or a dream of her wrapped in bandages, she fits the definition of an Unseen Character: her face is never seen, she never talks but is only talked about, and her persona is more caricature than real. When I think of the archtypical off-screen character in television sitcoms, she is it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Patrourke (talk • contribs) 23:00, 20 June 2011 (UTC)


 * You need to read the definition of "unseen character" before complaining. That her face is never seen is not sufficient to fit the definition. If there is any direct observation of the character then she is not an "unseen character". The description of her on the Minor characters on Frasier page claims she is seen twice. If you want to challenge those claims, go right ahead. But seen almost completely covered by bandages is still seen. 99.192.49.166 (talk) 14:18, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

From article "Maris"
Maris was also a major character on the television show Frasier. She was the wife of David Hyde Pierce's character Niles Crane, before they eventually divorced but she continued resurfacing, even being arrested for murder in the show's eleventh and final season.

The interesting thing about this character was that she was never seen. Despite the fact that we knew so much about her, we never met Maris. At the beginning of the eleventh season, the producers dropped hints that they may reveal her in the final episode, but ultimately didn't - possibly because it would have been too hard to find any actress who could embody the hundreds of crazy things we knew about the character.

I'm a little confused about events over the course of her divorce from Niles. In this article, "Maris repeatedly tries to lure Niles back, but Niles remains firm". In Niles's article, it says there were "Numerous attempts at reconciliation (mainly initiated by Niles)". Which is true? Is one of these articles wrong, or are both telling half-truths? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.174.89.239 (talk) 14:23, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

The divorce was triggered by Niles' decision to assert himself in their relationship and Maris' inability to cope with not getting her way. She did repeatedly attempt to get him to reassume his old submissive role. While he does often come close to giving in, either bad memories of the past or persuations from his family convince him not to reconcile. 206.255.202.244 (talk) 08:44, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Why is my info that added they producers considered Calista Flockhart for the role continually removed? I believe it adds value to the article and shouldn't be summarily deleted. --24.144.146.167 (talk) 07:25, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

References?
This is an otherwise excellent article which is sorely let down by its complete lack of references. Every detail in this was gathered from some episode or other; the least the editors could do is tell us which ones. MultipleTom (talk) 13:36, 25 February 2009 (UTC)