Talk:Marjorie Harris Carr Cross Florida Greenway

Title Change
I recommend changing the title of this article to the "Marjorie Harris Carr Cross Florida Greenway" as that is the current and correct name for this piece of land. Marcinus PhD (talk) 22:45, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Came here to say this. It's confusing to have an article about an existing greenway bear the name of a nonexistent canal. Moving the article. — ℜ ob C. alias ALAROB 14:13, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Further discussion below under History of proposed waterways across Florida. — ℜ ob C. alias ALAROB 14:42, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

Opposition Background
More details regarding why this project was opposed would be useful for this article.69.15.219.71 (talk) 21:58, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Marjorie Harris Carr
Vital stats on the woman who led the opposition to this project:

Florida Death Index, 1877-1998 about Marjorie Harris Carr Name: 	Marjorie Harris Carr Death Date: 	10 Oct 1997 County of Death: 	Alachua State of Death: 	Florida Age at Death: 	82 Race: 	White Birth Date: 	26 Mar 1915

Ryoung 122 22:01, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

I added more reference to Marjorie Harris Carr. See also the newly updated page for her bio! Marcinus PhD (talk) 22:43, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

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Timeline
References are needed for the timeline section. Marcinus PhD (talk) 23:48, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

History of proposed waterways across Florida
I just moved the article back to Marjorie Harris Carr Cross Florida Greenway. However, much of the material in this article could be used in a separate article — or two. Current redirects to this article include
 * Cross Florida Barge Canal, the specific 20th-century project that was partially built and then converted to the greenway, and
 * Cross-Florida Waterway, probably a good title for the more general subject of plans since the 16th century to dig a canal across the Florida Peninsula. It could refer to the abandoned Barge Canal, the earlier proposals by Philip II et al., and the actual Okeechobee Waterway completed in 1937.

Currently the majority of links to this article are from a template via the redirected link "Cross Florida Barge Canal." However that is not a reason to change the name of this article. The article should use the current name of the location in question — especially when the choice is also a difference in kind, between a) an existing state park, and b) an abandoned canal project that was never used. Instead of changing the name, why not turn the redirect link into an article on the Cross Florida Barge Canal? — ℜ ob C. alias ALAROB 14:39, 15 August 2022 (UTC)


 * The article is about the canal project - it has been since it was created - not the modern so-called park. This title is confusing to most people that come across it (probably all non-Floridians). Further it obviously expresses the POV that t1he canal was a horrible idea and is a practical lie. It is the article about the current location that ought to be new, and you should have created it if you care that much.

Intended dimensions and specs
What are the dimensions of the locks? It is also mentioned that the St Johns River has high bridges but really how big of barges and ships were ever going to go through here especially by mid-century when container shipping was getting big, this thing seems way outdated as a quaint historically sized barge not ship canal. B137 (talk) 06:10, 7 September 2022 (UTC)


 * On Google maps it looks like the locks are at least 60 by 600 ft accommodating 50x500 ft ships. Not even great lakes size ships maybe and maybe not enough draft depth, plan to be 30 but only built to 12 f11t deep. B137 (talk) 06:16, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
 * A link in this article says 600x84 locks, 12 ft deep - it's a barge canal, not a ship canal.