Talk:Mark Angelo

Request edit on 19 June 2015
What is the issue here. Many sites have consistent entry from single or common sources. This site is referenced to links and while the notice at top of page indicates that there may be false information, there is no such thing on the page. This site has been on line for a long time and is qualifed by number of links and references to other sites and sources. The question today is about Google ranking and the 'close' relationship referred to in thte comments is ridiculous given that page is updated to reflect changes in subjects bio only. How is it promotional to provide a record of outstanding individuals? This individual has recieved numerous national, international and provincial awards and accolades that have been corroborated on this site. If wikipedia is going to start doing this, a form of defamation, then there is little point or interest in continuing to use this resource. It also undermines the credibility the contributor which is also ridiculous given that no false informaiton has been provided here. --Evolve Multimedia (talk) 20:52, 19 June 2015 (UTC)


 * It has 2 references, which is not enough. Also, it's pumped full of puffery that is unencyclopedic. Also, you clearly have a COI, and therefore cannot see what's so wrong. Needs a complete rewrite, with factual information accompanied with sources and no external links. Joseph2302 (talk) 21:14, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Also, thank you for using a COI edit template- I'm glad you've admitted to having a COI. Joseph2302 (talk) 21:38, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

Mark Angelo - eliminating issues concerns
Dear wiki editor, It's Mark Angelo again and, in reference to my last note, I see you have posted a note on the site in my name saying that I have forwarded a list of verifying references. I sent you close to 20 verifiable supporting references for all the points mentioned by contributors and could easily send you many, many more. If needed, I'm happy to do this (but the posting is relatively short so that may be overkill). I see that you have only posted a few of these references on the site itself. The page in my name seems to have been edited by you to eliminate any past wording you thought wasn't needed. This is fine in that the site still provides a reasonable semblance of my work. The page is worded in a way consistent with many of your other biographical postings and has more references than many. My work has also been corroborated by many levels of government and reputable institutions including the Order of Canada, our country's highest honor, which has an extensive vetting process). The page in my name seems to get a lot of traffic and I've seen that it shows up quickly when doing a general search in my name. I know your volunteer staffing is limited in number so my concern is that the issues statement will stay on this site even if unwarranted. The issues statement as worded also gives an inaccurate and unfair impression of the page subject. My preference is to hear from wiki as to when the issues statement might be removed. Being an advocate who works extensively with the public, I'm a believer in what wiki stands for and would like to retain a posting. I'm also happy to provide a phone number or email to a wiki volunteer if there is a willingness to discuss this (I'll also send a copy of this to info-en@wikimedia.org - so they will have a record of my email address). However, if the issues statement can't be removed, I am also happy to discuss page deletion in that a summary of my work is available through other mechanisms. I would greatly welcome hearing from you. Guichon creek (talk) 19:21, 29 June 2015 (UTC)Mark Angelo


 * I've been busy, and Wikipedia doesn't have a deadline, even if you do. Also, thiss isn't a high traffic page like you claim, says there's been 476 page views in 30 days, and half of them were in the 2 days where the person/company you asked/paid to edit the page got exposed. I'm busy in real life, but still decided to start improving it immediately, to try and clear up the mess. Joseph2302 (talk) 19:29, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Also, lots of the things you've posted aren't actually reliable sources- Youtube is not a reliable source, per WP:YOUTUBE, and anything that you wrote is a primary source, so not a reliable source. Joseph2302 (talk) 19:30, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

✅ I've added all the reliable sources you suggested, but ignored the self-published, or otherwise unreliable, sources. See my source evaluation below. Joseph2302 (talk) 19:51, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

Source evaluation
Here is an evaluation of the sources you added:

Mark Angelo receives Lifetime Achievement Award from British Columbia Institute of Technology, BCIT Broadcast, November, 2011 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gDkgPsAa8E- not a reliable source

Global TV interviews Rivers Day Founder, Mark Angelo, “global phenomenon sparked by BC man”, September 24, 2010; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvLRU-VoJBY- not a reliable source

A BC man’s lifelong mission to preserve the Earth’s rivers. Vancouver Sun, September 22, 2006 http://worldriversday.com/documents/vansun.pdf- added

Burnaby Man Named Top Explorer, Burnaby News Leader, June 10, 2015-06-21 http://www.burnabynewsleader.com/community/burnaby-man-named-top-explorer-1.1964990- added

Mark Angelo Inducted into Fraser Hall of Fame, Fraser River Discovery Center, November, 2014 http://rivershed.com/blog/mark-angelo-to-be-inducted-in-the-fraser-river-hall-of-fame/- added

Rivers Day; a time to reflect on the values of our waterways; special to the Vancouver Sun by Rivers Day founder and Chair, Mark Angelo, September 27, 2012 http://www.vancouversun.com/Opinion+World+Rivers+good+time+reflect+values+waterways/7310938/story.html- primary source

“The amazing restoration of Guichon Creek”, BC film feature with urban stream restoration project leader, Mark Angelo, November, 2010 http://www.vancouversun.com/Opinion+World+Rivers+good+time+reflect+values+waterways/7310938/story.html- primary source

Change Agent; Mark Angelo; we talk with the founder of World Rivers Day and Riverblue star; Viva Magazine, New Zealand, April 22, 2015 http://www.viva.co.nz/article/fashion/mark-angelo/- interview, so primary source, not reliable source

Burnaby Creek named after Mark Angelo, BCIT Update, October 25, 2012 by Andrea Bellemy http://commons.bcit.ca/update/2012/10/burnaby-creek-named-for-bcit-rivers-institute-chair-mark-angelo/- added

Around the world by river; images by Mark Angelo, National Geographic on line, October 28, 2010 http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/09/photogalleries/riverworld/photo4.html- added

Mark Angelo paddles the Zambezi; the making of RiverBlue, September 1, 2013 http://riverbluethemovie.com/mark-angelo-paddles-on-the-zambezi/- added

The Upstream Battle to Save our Rivers; the impact of climate change on our waterways by Mark Angelo, Vancouver Sun, Feb. 7, 2015 http://www.vancouversun.com/technology/Opinion+upstream+battle+save+rivers/10793825/story.html- primary source

Salmon Miracle on Britannia Creek - Global telecast with renowned river conservationist Mark Angelo, and others on the miracle return of pink salmon to Britannia Creek; September 15, 2011 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDeeqM7-5cI- Youtube is not a reliable source

Celebrating our rivers; Streamtalk, Fisheries and Oceans Canada; by Mark Angelo; Autumn, 2013, Vol. 20, number 2 http://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/sep-pmvs/sci-icp/streamtalk/13-02/13-02-eng.html

Restoring urban streams and our quality of life; National Geographic Voices, by Mark Angelo, August 14, 2010 http://voices.nationalgeographic.com/2010/08/14/restoring_our_urban_streams_by/- primary source

Humble bid to save B.C. Rivers spawns global effort; BC Rivers Day, born 30 years ago, now celebrated worldwide; Vancouver Sun, Sept.24, 2010, by Kim Pemberton Pembertonhttp://worldriversday.com/documents/vansun2010.pdf- added

Six of Canada’s finest receive honorary degrees, Simon Fraser news on-line. May 28, 2009; http://www.sfu.ca/archive-sfunews/news/story_05280909.shtml- added

Water for Life Global TV fundraising special with Mark Angelo; Nature Trust of BC news; April 7, 2011 http://www.naturetrust.bc.ca/blog/?p=231- advert for an event, not a reliable source

Joseph, you've done a good job on the page and thanks for your efforts. I don't know who wrote the original posting about my work but, as the subject, you can only hope that it's a largely accurate reflection of what you do. When I came across the issues statement you posted as a result of your communications with past contributors (in one case, a former student submitting on her own volition) and that you were seeking more verification, I wanted to send you a list of possible references thinking it might be helpful. With the changes you've made, the submission now reads in a more encyclopedic way, which is positive. I appreciate the goals and objectives of wiki, along with the important role that volunteers play.Guichon creek (talk) 20:44, 29 June 2015 (UTC)Mark Angelo

Category:Rivers
Is this category appropriate? I believe it is, since he's a person involved with rivers, and thus basically just a river. Joseph2302 (talk) 20:16, 19 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Are you just trying to be funny somehow? The fact that a person works with rivers does not literally turn the person into a geographic feature consisting of water flowing through a trench in the earth. Bearcat (talk) 20:18, 19 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Do you have a reliable source that he isn't a river? In all seriousness, I guess he probably isn't quite a river. Joseph2302 (talk) 20:24, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

Request edit on 22 October 2015
Hi, I wanted to submit a few additional good citations that were requested by another reader of this wiki page. Hope it's helpful. Also, I appreciate the effort you put into updating this page this past summer. Thanks again.

19. Canadian Universities.net media release. November 22, 2005. Riverworld shares personal journey to world’s wildest waters. http://www.canadian-universities.net/News/Press-Releases/November_22_2005_Riverworld_shares_personal_journey_to_the_worlds_w.html

20. Wild Water, Wild Earth; a seven continent odyssey to wondrous places and cultures. British Columbia Institute of Technology, Fall, 2009. http://commons.bcit.ca/riverworld/articles/WELeaflet.pdf

21. Canada.com, Burnaby Now, October 3, 2007. Traveling the world; an around the world journey with Mark Angelo http://www.canada.com/story.html?id=4eb3b9b9-ff0e-4152-8c62-f8628c437377

22. Outdoor Recreation Council annual endangered rivers campaign archives, 2014. http://orcbc.ca/pro_endangered.htm

In the text, #19 should be referenced in the "career" section at the end of the 2nd sentence that talks about Riverworld. Both #20 and #21 coulld be placed at the end of the 3rd sentence in same section (end of paragraph) that talks about the show Wild Water, Wild Earth. And finally, #22 belongs in the "positions" section at the end of paragraph 1 where the endangered rivers campaign is mentioned. Blackfootriver (talk) 18:36, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Primary sources and press releases are generally not acceptable sources. See WP:RS - we want what third parties state and think about the subject. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  18:41, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Also, I'm suspicious this user is a sockpuppet of the blocked spammer from a few months back. Joseph2302 (talk) 18:47, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

Request edit on 28 October 2015
Thanks for the clarification on references. At least one of the citations I came across is a newspaper article written by a Canadian journalist describing the show you ask for a citation about - that one would still seem to qualfify according to your description. - 21. Canada.com, Burnaby Now, October 3, 2007. Traveling the world; an around the world journey with Mark Angelo http://www.canada.com/story.html?id=4eb3b9b9-ff0e-4152-8c62-f8628c437377 Blackfootriver (talk) 17:12, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

Request edit on 29 October 2015
Hi Joseph, just as a final note, I forgot to mention that, after reading your earlier post and submitting a newspaper citation on one of the shows you wanted a citation about (Wild Water, Wild Earth), I also found a second National Geographic article that relates to the other program you wanted a citation for. They interviewed the subject about the Riverworld program. It's entitled Concervationist takes Rivers on the Road. Link is http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/09/0929_030929_riverworld_2.html Blackfootriver (talk) 17:40, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

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