Talk:Mark Baldwin (baseball)

Incorporative sources

 * Harry Stovey quote, Bug Holliday quote
 * "terrific speed"
 * Tiemann
 * "Although never known for a good curve or changeup, he had plenty of speed and the gumption to challenge the best hitters"
 * "With the demise of the PL after one season, Baldwin was theoretically the property of Columbus again, in the AA. But he ignored the fact and signed with NL Pittsburgh."
 * Won two complete games in one day in 1890
 * Jail, false arrest, and kidnapping
 * Homestead strike


 * Baseball in Columbus 1889 image

Uncited text
"He posted a 25–17 win–loss record for Duluth, where pitched 373 innings in 43 appearances and completed all 41 of his starts." Needs a reference. Therapyisgood (talk) 22:02, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

Jump contract
In July 1891, Baldwin was in Philadelphia, reportedly to convince Denny Lyons and Jack Boyle to jump their contracts and join Pittsburgh. Baldwin denied the allegation, saying there was "no truth" to it. Those two lost the train rumor is false Therapyisgood (talk) 09:48, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

Requested move 18 January 2024

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved to the proposed title at this time, per the discussion below; however, please note that the possible creation of pages in the future is not a factor in the determination of primary topics. Dekimasu よ! 02:19, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Mark Baldwin (baseball) → Mark Baldwin – Primary topic in a TWODAB situation due to long-term significance. Sahaib (talk) 10:35, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment don't move before his days on the Main age are over, three more days. Is it really worth the trouble of misleading links after such move? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:25, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose There are already two Mark Baldwins listed in the Mark Baldwin [disambiguation] page. There may well be more in the future. It would be rank presentism to say that this Mark Baldwin is the supreme defining one, now and henceforth. Minturn (talk) 22:01, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
 * the future is irrelevant in determining the primary topic per WP:CRYSTAL as the page can always be moved again in the future. I also think it is unlikely that a new more significant Mark Baldwin will appear as although Baldwin is a common surname, according to this website the name Mark has declined a lot in popularity since its peak in the 1960s. Sahaib (talk) 07:29, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
 * From the "Primary Topic" discussion (WP:PT1), with relation to a disambiguation, a topic is the primary topic "if it is highly likely—much more likely than any other single topic, and more likely than all the other topics combined—to be the topic sought when a reader searches for that term", or "if it has substantially greater enduring notability and educational value than any other topic associated with that term." Given that this Mark Baldwin has been dead for nearly a century, while the other one on the disambiguation page is still alive, and that this one isn't a household name (the other one isn't, either), I don't think it's right to say that this one is "much more likely" to be the one a reader is looking for.  He may well be the most-searched Mark Baldwin on Wikipedia, but per the guidelines, that's not enough.  No diss intended, but the "highly" gets in the way.

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
 * Leaning oppose, as I am not seeing a clear primary topic out of the possibilities. BD2412  T 01:05, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose. An obviously well-documented career. But long-term significance? I don't see that. Tassedethe (talk) 05:33, 29 January 2024 (UTC)