Talk:Mark Bingham

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>> Holm describes Bingham as a brave, competitive man, saying, "He hated to lose — at anything."

Need a citation for that.

Randal Oulton (talk) 05:25, 9 September 2010 (UTC) -

For an August 2004 deletion debate over this page see Votes for deletion/Rodney Dickens et al

Paul Holm was not Mark's partner of eight years. Paul was Mark's former partner of 6 years. The two had not been together for a couple of years.

9-11-03 You are not forgotten. Thank you for your sacrifice - you gave us all hope on a hopeless day.

- I would like to see some references for the claim that he prevented the deaths of "hundreds of thousands" of people. Less than 3000 were killed during the entire 9/11 attacks, was this passenger jet loaded with nuclear weapons or something?

--66.153.153.59 (talk) 12:15, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I believe it says "hundreds or thousands". Either way, you'll never know. 僕曜日 (talk) 23:17, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Mark_Bingham2.jpg
This image problematic on several counts. If there are no objections, based on policy, I will remove the offending image in violation of WP:FAIR. Lionel (talk) 00:28, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) It is non-free and there is already a non-free image in this article. It fails WP:FAIR #3a, 8
 * 2) My removal was reverted and the edit sum was "... the other showing him doing what he is famous for" i.e. rugby. Well, he is not famous for playing rugby; he is famous for being a passenger on foomed Flight 93. This explanation provided by the editor is insufficient rationale for a fair use claim. Lionel (talk) 00:28, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

It's fine based on policy, he is certainly known for playing rugby, that is his recreation.STL1989 (talk) 04:47, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
 * It seems as though you are dismissing my points out of hand. With all due respect, did you even read WP:FAIR? Lionel (talk) 06:47, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Gay American
It a shame the author is afraid to mention that Mark Bingham was gay. Gay American would take pride in having that fact mentioned in the article, because that's part of who he was. --Eddylyons (talk) 01:57, 4 January 2012 (UTC)


 * That's a very strange omission in this article. I've just added a statement to the lede that Bingham was gay.  Textorus (talk) 07:10, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Notability
This article mentions several people who've honoured and character-played this victim in the media; but neglects to explain his significance.Beingsshepherd (talk) 01:01, 27 February 2013 (UTC)Beingsshepherd


 * The final sentence of the Lead section explains his significance:
 * "As a gay man, Bingham has been widely honored posthumously for having 'smashed the gay stereotype mold and really opened the door to many others that came after him.'"
 * In addition to this, there's the fact that he was one of the four ringleaders who came up with the plan to take the plane back from the hijackers. This was not adequately stated in the Lead or the article, so I added it, with a citation. Thanks for pointing this out. Nightscream (talk) 05:15, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

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Puffery
In general, this article needs some tightening up. While it's clear that Mark Bingham acted bravely with his fellow passengers on that airplane, the article is tends to glorify him and includes information such as he had saved lives on several previous occasions, including that of his partner's twice. This may be true (and documented) but is it really relevant here? The events of 9/11 caused many people to act in heroic, extraordinary ways no matter what they had done previously. Also, I cleaned up some extraneous information, such as the names of many of the Hoagland (his mother's) family who survived him; such detail weighs down the more relevant parts of the article.ChiHistoryeditor (talk) 13:03, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

The height of several passengers?
In the 9/11 section it says: "Bingham, Burnett, and Glick were each more than 6 feet (1.83 m) tall, well-built and fit."

Is this necessary? Bingham's height is noted elsewhere in the article, but this sentence feels superfluous and doesn't add anything, nor is there an explanation of why it matters. Lindsey40186 (talk) 22:45, 27 March 2023 (UTC)


 * The cited source mentions it when it describes how the three men spearheaded the attempt to retake the plane. Nightscream (talk) 16:01, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I can appreciate that it was mentioned in the source material. I guess I'm just wondering if it's important enough to mention in the article. I'm fine with whatever the consensus is. Lindsey40186 (talk) 12:34, 30 March 2023 (UTC)