Talk:Mark Blagrove

Suggested changes, 5 November 2021
Dear Wikipedia editors, Could I please make the following 6 suggestions to the Mark Blagrove (British psychologist) page:

1.	An article referred to on this page that was in press has now been published and has volume, page numbers and doi. In the section 'articles in journals', could you therefore please amend Lockheart, Julia; Holzinger, Brigitte; Katharina, Adler; Barrett, Deirdre; Nobus, Dany; Wessely, Zora; Blagrove, Mark (2021). "120th anniversary event for 'Dora' telling her burning house dream to Freud". International Journal of Dream Research. 14 (2). Retrieved 3 June 2021.

To

Lockheart, J.; Holzinger, B.; Katharina, A.; Barrett, D.; Nobus, D.; Wessely, Z.; Blagrove, M. (2021). "120th anniversary event for 'Dora' telling her burning house dream to Freud". International Journal of Dream Research. 14 (2), 202-208. doi:10.11588/ijodr.2021.2.77283

Please change link for this paper to the permanent paper at the journal site, which is: https://journals.ub.uni-heidelberg.de/index.php/IJoDR/article/view/77283

2.	Could a reference to that Lockheart et al. (2021) paper just published please be added to the following sentence in the DreamsID section:

In October 2020 and January 2021, Blagrove and Lockheart[29] held online events to commemorate the 120th anniversaries of Sigmund Freud's patient Dora telling two dreams to Freud. Next to 29 please add reference to Lockheart, J. et al. (2021).

3.	The Lockheart et al. (2021) paper refers to DreamsID as having ‘a Dadaist and Surrealist performative aesthetic’ (p.207).

Could the following whole sentence ['This follows a Dadaist and Surrealist performance aesthetic (Lockheart et al., 2021).'] with reference please be added to the start of the DreamsID section as follows: ….to create "a tapestry of elements, plot, metaphoric imagery, and Freud's words." This follows a Dadaist and Surrealist performance aesthetic (Lockheart et al., 2021). Then, later in the session, the audience is invited to join in the discussion, referencing the dream to waking life, according to the method devised….

4.	Could the following paper please be added to Articles in Journals: Blagrove, M.; Lockheart, J.; Carr, M.; Basra, S.; Graham, H.; Lewis, H.; Murphy, E.; Sakalauskaite, A.; Trotman, C.; Valli, K. (2021). Dream sharing and the enhancement of empathy: Theoretical and applied implications. Dreaming, 31(2), 128–139. doi:10.1037/drm0000165

5.	Under external links, the sleep lab link has been changed by Swansea University to https://www.swansea.ac.uk/psychology/research/swansea-university-psychology-sleep-lab/

Please change this link also at reference 4.

6.	Under external links, could the following please be added: DreamsID science art collaboration [with link https://DreamsID.com]

Thank you. This is much appreciated. Mark Blagrove

137.44.161.23 (talk) 16:40, 5 November 2021 (UTC)


 * ✅: Many thanks once again. Note that I added a URL to the latest journal article (cronfa.swan.ac.uk/...). There were several to choose from, but if this is not the correct or best URL, please let me know.  Esowteric +  Talk  +  Breadcrumbs   17:13, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Suggested changes 7th November 2021
Dear Wikipedia editors, Thank you editors for previous suggested changes made. And noted that link provided in Lockheart et al. (2021) reference is now to the official journal site rather than an institutional repository. I suggest the following: 1.	Following a change to the DreamsID.com website, in the DreamsID section please amend They hold 50–60 minute sessions with the dream subject….. to They hold 60 - 90 minute sessions with the dream subject….

2.	There is an unreferenced quotation in the DreamsID section: ……. "a tapestry of elements, plot, metaphoric imagery, and Freud's words."

Reference 10 is the source of the quotation. [Reference 10 is https://sublimemagazine.com/dream-sharing]

3.	Reference 16, please change e26708–. to e26708. 4.	Reference 20: please change 6: 831–. to 6: 831. 5.	Reference 25, please change 10:1351-. to 10: 1351.

Regards, Mark Blagrove DreamerMTB DreamerMTB (talk) 20:42, 7 November 2021 (UTC)


 * ✅. Thanks for spotting these errors.  Esowteric +  Talk  +  Breadcrumbs   21:25, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

Suggested additions, 4 September 2023
Dear Wikipedia editors, Thank you editors, for previous suggested changes made. I suggest the following: 1. In the DreamsID section please change Para 3 ‘and a Senior Lecturer at’ To ‘and a Professor at’ Source: https://www.uwtsd.ac.uk/staff/julia-lockheart/

2. At the end of the DreamsID section please insert: In June 2023 Blagrove and Lockheart held an event at the CG Jung Institute Zürich, in Küsnacht, Switzerland (https://2023emotionsconference.ch/blagrove-and-lockheart), as part of the conference marking the 75th anniversary of the founding of the Institute (https://2023emotionsconference.ch/). [suggest adding link here to the Wikipedia entry on the CG Jung Institute Zürich.] In recognition of the Dadaist influence on the DreamsID collaboration, in July 2023 Blagrove and Lockheart held an event at the Cabaret Voltaire, Zürich. https://www.cabaretvoltaire.ch/#node-80648-en. Cabaret Voltaire was the birthplace of Dadaism in 1916 [suggest link here to Wikipedia entry on Cabaret Voltaire (Zurich)).

3. Under Books Can the following please have links removed, so all letters are in black, as links do not work. ISBN 978-0367479961 (Hardcover), ISBN 978-0367479947 (Paperback) Could the following link to the book please be added as it gives full details of the book: https://www.amazon.com/Science-Art-Dreaming-Mark-Blagrove/dp/036747994X/

4. Under articles in journals, please add at top 1.	Reid, A., Bloxham, A., Carr, M., van Rijn, E., Basoudan, N., Tulip, C., & Blagrove, M. (2022). Effects of sleep on positive, negative and neutral valenced story and image memory. British Journal of Psychology, 113(3), 777-797. https://doi.org/10.1111/bjop.12559, 2.	Williams, J. & Blagrove, M. (2022). Paranormal experiences, sensory-processing sensitivity, and the priming of pareidolia. PLOS ONE, 17(9), e0274595. https://doi.org/10.1371/journal.pone.0274595,

Thank you. DreamerMTB 81.104.160.203 (talk) 09:42, 4 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks a lot for the helpful updates. Have updated 1 and 2. I've left 3 (books) as it is, since if you click on the ISBN number it takes users to a page where they can search a number of locations for the book in hardcover or paperback format. Have not included a direct link to Amazon as it's not our job to direct users to a commercial site. Also updated 4 (journal entries).  Esowteric +  Talk  +  Breadcrumbs   10:54, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
 * On second thoughts, have added the link to amazon.com as a ref (though not as a reliable source), since it contains a full description of the book. Can't add external links in the body of an article.  Esowteric +  Talk  +  Breadcrumbs   11:24, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

Suggested additions, 3 February 2024
Dear Wikipedia editors, Thank you, editors, for previous suggested changes made. I suggest the following: At the end of the section Dreaming, metaphor, insight, and memory consolidation

To create a new, 4th paragraph in this section I suggest adding: Whereas Blagrove had found evidence for memory consolidation being promoted by sleep (Van Rijn, E., Lucignoli, C., Izura, C., & Blagrove, M. T. (2017). Sleep‐dependent memory consolidation is related to perceived value of learned material. Journal of Sleep Research, 26(3), 302–308. https://doi.org/10.1111/jsr.12457) and by dreaming (Eichenlaub, J.‐B., van Rijn, E., Phelan, M., Ryder, L., Gaskell, M. G., Lewis, P. A., Walker, M. P., & Blagrove, M. (2019). The nature of delayed dream incorporation (‘dream‐lag effect’): Personally significant events persist, but not major daily activities or concerns. Journal of Sleep Research, 28(1), 1–8. https://doi.org/10.1111/jsr.12697), he and Lockheart (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julia_Lockheart) later suggested that dreaming might only have a function after sleep, when the dreams are shared with others (Blagrove, M., Hale, S., Lockheart, J., Carr, M., Jones, A., & Valli, K. (2019). Testing the empathy theory of dreaming: The relationships between dream sharing and trait and state empathy. Frontiers in Psychology, 10, Article 1351. https://doi.org/10.3389/fpsyg.2019.01351). Dreams would thus be fictions produced while asleep, but which only have an effect and significance when recalled and shared after waking (Blagrove, M., & Lockheart, J. (2022). Dream-sharing and human self-domestication. International Journal of Dream Research, 15(1), 86–94. https://doi.org/10.11588/ijodr.2022.1.83442). This approach was expanded on in Blagrove and Lockheart (2023) The Science and Art of Dreaming, and in Psyche Magazine (2024) https://psyche.co/ideas/the-reason-we-dream-might-be-to-bring-us-closer-together.

Thank you, DreamerMTB 81.154.219.195 (talk) 15:35, 3 February 2024 (UTC)


 * ✅. Thanks a lot for these suggested updates.  Esowteric +  Talk  +  Breadcrumbs   16:43, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

Suggested additions, 5 February 2024
Dear Wikipedia editors, Thank you, editors, for previous suggested changes made.

I suggest adding after the Sensory processing sensitivity sub-section and before the Dream-lag sub-section a new sub-section: New subsection heading: Lucid dreaming

Blagrove has shown that people who have lucid dreams score higher on personality measures of Internal Locus of Control (Blagrove, M. & Tucker, M. (1994). Individual differences in locus of control and the reporting of lucid dreaming. Personality and Individual Differences, 16(6), 981-984. https://doi.org/10.1016/0191-8869(94)90242-9) and Need for Cognition (Blagrove, M., & Hartnell, S. J. (2000). Lucid dreaming: Associations with internal locus of control, need for cognition and creativity. Personality and Individual Differences, 28(1), 41–47. https://doi.org/10.1016/S0191-8869(99)00078-1). In 2010 he hypothesised that lucid dreaming involves the attentional skill of the dreamer having metacognition about their state of consciousness at the same time as being engaged in the dream scenario. Congruent with this he showed that frequent lucid dreamers are more proficient on the attentional Stroop task than are non-lucid dreamers (Blagrove, M., Bell, E., & Wilkinson, A. (2010). Association of lucid dreaming frequency with Stroop task performance. Dreaming, 20(4), 280–287. https://doi.org/10.1037/a0020881). He concluded that these greater attentional abilities required for lucid dreaming may counteract the psychophysiologically dominant and possibly evolutionarily selected usual lack of self-awareness in dreams (Blagrove, M., Bell, E., & Wilkinson, A. (2010). Association of lucid dreaming frequency with Stroop task performance. Dreaming, 20(4), 280–287. https://doi.org/10.1037/a0020881). This usual lack of self-awareness / lack of lucidity in dreams was then shown, in a 2023 study led by Michelle Carr, to be overcome by a pre- and within-sleep training method of giving auditory and visual cues to the sleeping participant in the sleep laboratory. This training method elicited lucid dreams even in participants who had never had a lucid dream before (Carr, M., Konkoly, K., Mallett, R., Edwards, C., Appel, K., & Blagrove, M. (2023). Combining presleep cognitive training and REM-sleep stimulation in a laboratory morning nap for lucid dream induction. Psychology of Consciousness: Theory, Research, and Practice, 10(4), 413–430. https://doi.org/10.1037/cns0000227). Thank you, DreamerMTB 81.154.219.195 (talk) 13:45, 5 February 2024 (UTC)


 * ❌: Hi and thanks for your suggested additions. Unfortunately, all the citations provided are primary sources, as they reference research of which Mark Blagrove is a co-author, and we would be veering into the territory of original research. We can use primary sources in a limited way, to back up material that gives significant mention of the subject matter in independent, reliable, secondary sources (reliable web sites, news, radio, TV, official video channels or podcasts, books, magazines, other people's journal articles; etc). Significant facts and interpretations should be presented in a way that fairly represents what reliable sources state. See also synthesis and the Golden Rule.  Esowteric +  Talk  +  Breadcrumbs   16:22, 5 February 2024 (UTC)


 * The thing to do is to find reliable secondary sources and fairly represent what they actually have to say, rather than say what you want to say and then hunt around for sources to back that up, which is back-to-front.  Esowteric +  Talk  +  Breadcrumbs   16:29, 5 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Sorry to be so unhelpful on this occasion, and apologies for not having come to this realisation myself, earlier.  Esowteric +  Talk  +  Breadcrumbs   16:39, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, editors, for the comment on a previous suggestion that was too reliant on primary sources and did not use a secondary independent source. I will make the following suggestion in case this one is acceptable, but can appreciate what the editor has said on proper objectivity and balance. My apologies if this does not meet Wikipedia standards, thank you for keeping me informed on editorial requirements and standards.

I suggest adding after the Sensory processing sensitivity sub-section and before the Dream-lag sub-section a new neutrally phrased sub-section:

New sub-section heading: Lucid dreaming

Blagrove has shown personality and cognitive characteristics of people who frequently have lucid dreams (Blagrove, M. & Tucker, M. (1994). Individual differences in locus of control and the reporting of lucid dreaming. Personality and Individual Differences, 16(6), 981-984. https://doi.org/10.1016/0191-8869(94)90242-9; Blagrove, M., & Hartnell, S. J. (2000). Lucid dreaming: Associations with internal locus of control, need for cognition and creativity. Personality and Individual Differences, 28(1), 41–47. https://doi.org/10.1016/S0191-8869(99)00078-1; Blagrove, M., Bell, E., & Wilkinson, A. (2010). Association of lucid dreaming frequency with Stroop task performance. Dreaming, 20(4), 280–287. https://doi.org/10.1037/a0020881), and addressed the possibility of using training to increase individuals’ frequency of lucid dreaming (Carr, M., Konkoly, K., Mallett, R., Edwards, C., Appel, K., & Blagrove, M. (2023). Combining presleep cognitive training and REM-sleep stimulation in a laboratory morning nap for lucid dream induction. Psychology of Consciousness: Theory, Research, and Practice, 10(4), 413–430. https://doi.org/10.1037/cns0000227). However, Soffer-Dudek’s review of lucid dreaming research, which included the personality findings above, concluded that there may be possible adverse effects of lucid dreaming and of induction of lucid dreaming (Soffer-Dudek, N. (2020). Are lucid dreams good for us? Are we asking the right question? A call for caution in lucid dream research. Frontiers in Neuroscience, 13, 1423. https://doi.org/10.3389/fnins.2019.01423). Thank you, DreamerMTB 81.154.219.195 (talk) 17:18, 5 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Sorry, this arrived while I was editing the article, so I self-reverted until I've read this new proposal. Will have a look at it, thanks.  Esowteric +  Talk  +  Breadcrumbs   17:54, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
 * ✅ Thanks again, I'm grateful for the reworking. I've made the changes.
 * By the way, as a long-time fan of fields like dreaming, altered states of consciousness; etc, have you looked at hypnagogia and/or hypnopompia, and "insights" derived from internal dialogue during these intermediate states, hovering on the edge of sleep?  Esowteric +  Talk  +  Breadcrumbs   18:23, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes, at the end of 2023 with my PhD student we have been studying the use of hypnogogic imagery by poets who wish to obtain inspiration for topics or composition of poems. We repeatedly woke up about 20 poets in the sleep lab each time they had drifted off to sleep and asked about any dream /images and then asked them to write a poem. Analysis of data currently at very early stage. 81.154.219.215 (talk) 12:32, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

Suggested additions, 17 March 2024
Suggested addition of new reference to end of the Selected research section Change This approach was expanded on in Blagrove and Lockheart (2023) The Science and Art of Dreaming,[32] and in Psyche magazine (2024).[33] To This approach was expanded on in Blagrove and Lockheart (2023) The Science and Art of Dreaming,[32] in Psyche magazine (2024)[33], and in The Psychologist (2024) , a publication of the British Psychological Society.

Suggested addition to Other articles section, if podcasts with transcripts are allowed there. Speaking of Psychology is the weekly podcast of the American Psychological Association. Podcast (Speaking of Psychology: Why do we dream? With Mark Blagrove, PhD) and transcript created October 2023. https://www.apa.org/news/podcasts/speaking-of-psychology/dream DreamerMTB 81.154.219.215 (talk) 12:35, 17 March 2024 (UTC)


 * ✅: Thanks again, have made the additions.  Esowteric +  Talk  +  Breadcrumbs   13:20, 17 March 2024 (UTC)