Talk:Mark Lewisohn

Interview link
I'd recommend to anyone interested in The Beatles to click on the "Catching up with Mark Lewisohn" link as I have just done. It's a fascinating interview. --kingboyk 22:42, 24 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree. LuciferMorgan 00:43, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Article re-write
I've just re-written the article and added in a handful of references. I appreciate that more are needed, but it is quite difficult to find them, and some is better than none, I feel. Once I work out how to cite books, I'll add a few more. Estesark (talk) 04:51, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

External links modified
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Trilogy worthy of page? "The Beatles: All These Years, Volume One – Tune In"
Hi Wikipedians,

I'm a new editor, so asking too many questions...

I wanted to raise the possibility of starting a page for Mark Lewisohn's proposed trilogy (Vol 1 out The Beatles: All These Years, Volume One – Tune In), which seems to me to be a notable achievement, and a project that is due to run to 2028. I think it's already fair to call it the definitive Beatles biog thus far, and it adds a number of new discoveries to the Beatles story.

And, that said, I have no idea how to set up a new page, even if everyone goes

yeah yeah yeah yeaaaahh

Maybe I'll learn tho!

Thank you. SkagwayEntropy (talk) 12:39, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi . Absolutely, there are surely enough reliable sources to be able to reference and to be able to assert notability. Actually I'm surprised there isn't an article already. If you're still game please get to it! This primer may help. --kingboyk (talk) 20:02, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

Best drummer in the Beatles
"Lewisohn was responsible for identifying comedian Jasper Carrott as the source in 1983, of the famous remark, "Ringo isn't the best drummer in the world. He isn't even the best drummer in the Beatles."

That joke occurs in Radio Active, series 1 episode 5, first broadcast October 6th 1981. So Jasper Carrott may be 'a' source, but he can't be 'the source'. --Guyal of Sfere (talk) 20:57, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Wasn't that comment originally from John? --kingboyk (talk) 19:59, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

Lewisohn is Jewish.
Tagged onto the end of the first main sentence, "Lewisohn is Jewish". So what? What relevance does that have? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2a02:c7d:3217:c400:6dae:9191:71da:6980 (talk)
 * Yes, exactly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brett Alexander Hunter (talk • contribs)

Conflict of interest editing
An IP editor from the New York/New Jersey-area (24.189.32.150) made several edits to this page mostly made up of unsourced material. After I rolled those and several other edits back, I posted a warning on the editors' talk page. The editor advised that he or she is "Working with Mr. Lewisohn's behalf [sic] on this currently", so I pointed to WP:CONFLICT.  Tkbrett  (✉) 15:57, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

Controversy
Lewisohn's work has recently been criticized for having many fabricated quotes. How do incorporate this material?

https://therealtamishow.com/2024/05/12/the-mark-lewisohn-disaster/ 2601:152:4B80:CC10:EA15:C6CF:65C7:329E (talk) 11:19, 23 May 2024 (UTC)


 * WP:BLOGS are not reliable sources. Unless it is reported in a reliable source, it has no place on a WP:BLP.  Tkbrett  (✉) 12:18, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
 * This article currently calls Lewisohn the world's leading authority on the band, but hundreds of reliable sources and published Beatles interviews contradict Lewisohn's work.
 * therealtamishow.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/05/sharons-error-spreadsheet-readme-w-serenes-major-error-count-note.pdf
 * docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1YQV_SlTPiRd1HDRL2if5bTEK1ziQ9ahl5xmotyjylQQ/edit#gid=0 73.250.157.148 (talk) 13:35, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
 * "...hundreds of reliable sources...": Great. Which ones?
 * Keep in mind that a Google Doc that someone made is not a reliable source; perhaps review WP:SPS, WP:RS and WP:OR.  Tkbrett  (✉) 14:30, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Is Lewisohn a "Historian"?
The article calls Lewisohn a "historian and biographer" and "leading authority" based on Louise Jury's entertainment news article whose source is Lewisohn's literary agent Simon Trewin. This is Wikipuffery. Lewisohn's own webpage more modestly asserts he is a school dropout fanzine writer. 2601:152:4B80:CC10:AD25:50B9:6663:C031 (talk) 13:37, 26 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Unlike engineer or nurse, historian is not a protected title, so all we have to go off of is what reliable sources call him.
 * The leading figure in Beatles historiography, Erik Torkelson Weber, describes Lewisohn as the "[p]reeminent Beatles scholar" (The Beatles and the Historians, p. 14). Later, she calls him a "Beatles researcher" whose reference works "altered the direction of Beatles history" (ibid., p. 157). A few years ago, the Washington Post called him a "Beatles historian". In an article a month ago, The New York Times called him "the pre-eminent Beatles scholar".  Tkbrett  (✉) 00:48, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Then cite those references instead of a thinly veiled entertainment news press release by his literary agent.
 * The generic "historian and biographer" label insinuates he is a broadly trained scholar and journalist. Reliable sources use "Beatles researcher", "Beatles historian", and "Beatles scholar" because they are more precise and accurate.  This article could also use an "Early Life" section.  His webpage brags about going to work at age 16 and "living by his wits".  That completely changes my expectations about the professionalism and objectivity of Lewisohn's work. 73.250.157.148 (talk) 00:44, 29 May 2024 (UTC)