Talk:Mark Robinson (American politician)

Political views and remarks
It says that he called children spoiled brats but I cannot find anything about that can someone send me a link to prove it? 2603:6080:2100:D12B:2DE1:552E:4F29:80AB (talk) 01:25, 28 November 2023 (UTC)


 * The link is in the citation at the end of the sentence. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:57, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

UNDUE
The Political views and remarks section has too many extraneous quotes by people who are not Mark Robinson. Per WP:UNDUE, not every viewpoint Robinson has needs to be extensively contextualized or criticized by a political opponent. Cf. for an example that reads much better. —  AjaxSmack 17:41, 11 December 2023 (UTC)


 * I took a pass at the first two subsections. More to be done. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 17:57, 11 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks! I wasn't volunteering someone else, but just didn't want to step into anything too fast. —  AjaxSmack  18:42, 11 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Let's face it, if Robinson's career had happened 40 years ago this wouldn't be an issue. This is why I struggle to keep up with articles involving current controversial political figures, and am resigned to leaving them in such poor state. A bunch of WP:RECENTISM and WP:NOTNEWS issues. Every thing they say gets reported on and then within 48 hours is added to the laundry list of "can you believe they said this" in their respective article. Granted, the lieutenant governor can't do much but deliver speeches, but we should really be thinking along the lines of "Would the George Wallace article be better served by a Controversial Statements section?" And in the section, should it be noted that these statements "have drawn criticism" (without discussing the merits of Robinson's statements in particular, what political statement doesn't "draw criticism" these days)? At least when I added the info on the FACTS Task Force it was about an actual, official action he had taken, controversial as it was, and not just "he said something and some people don't like what he said". Granted, historical hindsight can offer immense clarity. -Indy beetle (talk) 09:02, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 February 2024
Remove bias language calling him a conspiracy theorist. It's name calling and contains no facts 2600:1012:B32C:307F:654F:F021:3944:2854 (talk) 17:20, 28 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: The fact you object to is well established in the article with citations. Skyerise (talk) 18:24, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 March 2024
Education for Lieutenant Governor Mark Robinson was completed at the University of North Carolina at Greensboro. His degree is a B.A. in History. He graduated December 9th, 2022.

This link shares that information and has also been noted in several speeches: https://www.newsobserver.com/news/politics-government/election/voter-guide/article285045767.html Jwwaugh (talk) 02:24, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: The provided source does not confirm the graduation date and only addresses this on one line:


 * "Education: UNC-Greensboro, Bachelor of Arts, History."


 * Since this is a candidate Q&A its unclear if this has been fact checked by the paper or is just the candidate's own answer printed verbatim. I wasn't able to find another source confirming that he has graduated, but found a couple saying he dropped out 3 classes short of graduation. Its possible he gave this response because he is very close to a degree, as many other politicians have.


 * If you find other secondary sources confirming that he has graduated please reopen the request. Thanks. Jamedeus (talk) 03:33, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Please see the following link from the UNCG Graduation on December 9, 2022. You will see Mark Keith Robinson under graduates.
 * https://commencement.uncg.edu/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/2022-Fall-Commencement-Program.pdf 2600:1004:B217:1A80:1C3A:88EB:BE43:D761 (talk) 15:15, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
 * You can also view this. This is the State of the State Response given by Lieutenant Governor Mark Robinson where he mentions finishing his degree:
 * https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xkWHugf46o8 2600:1004:B217:1A80:1C3A:88EB:BE43:D761 (talk) 15:29, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Please see the following link from the UNCG Graduation on December 9, 2022. You will see Mark Keith Robinson under graduates.
 * https://commencement.uncg.edu/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/2022-Fall-Commencement-Program.pdf
 * You can also view this. This is the State of the State Response given by Lieutenant Governor Mark Robinson where he mentions finishing his degree:
 * https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xkWHugf46o82600 Jwwaugh (talk) 01:11, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Left-wing bias
The article looks clearly like a smear attempt trying to harm patriotic-conservative voices. 2003:DA:C729:AA00:5148:1011:A09D:92E6 (talk) 00:52, 6 March 2024 (UTC)


 * It's a factual biography. What does that say about him that you think it's a smear attempt? – Muboshgu (talk) 02:10, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

"Baselessly"..."Without evidence"
This is in a single sentence. We get it Wiki you don't like this guy, but you should at least attempt to write correctly. Or is it just a code that noone should take this seriously? 222.108.156.194 (talk) 02:04, 6 March 2024 (UTC)


 * We are approaching the subject neutrally, but I do agree that "baselessly" and "with no evidence" in the same sentence is redundant and have cut the latter part. – Muboshgu (talk) 02:11, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia - you labeled Mark Robinson as an antisemite by taking a speech he made against dictators out of context. Zero creds, Wiki! 170.203.43.28 (talk) 17:20, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
 * The whole "Antisemitic remarks" section makes no mention of any speech about dictators. Zero creds, IP! -Indy beetle (talk) 00:43, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
 * What statements were you referring to when you said he has been known to make antisemitic statements. I’m curious.  The question of what that means exactly crossed my mind when I read it. Again, I’m just asking for examples. RoadSanta (talk) 14:12, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

“Anti black statements”
https://theurbannews.com/government/2023/robinson-im-not-no-african-american/ I’m sorry but saying that you identify as just American and not African American isn’t anti black like I’m of Irish decent but I identify as just American not Irish American that doesn’t make me anti Irish 2600:8801:1187:7F00:5843:1048:41E6:90E6 (talk) 21:52, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
 * You didn't read the whole article, did you? It actually says other things than the headline, and details other attacks against blacks and women. Skyerise (talk) 22:03, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I hadn't seen this before editing, but I did just revert the addition of "anti-Black" to the lead. If there are strong sources describing Robinson's statements as anti-Black (or something synonymous), I would be happy to review them. The sources provided, including theurbannews, were not so strong. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 02:55, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I would tend to agree that his views on racial issues in the American context are, well, quixotic at best, but I think qualifying them as "anti-black", especially in the lead, is not the proper approach, especially with such niche sourcing. -Indy beetle (talk) 08:57, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I disagree and have restored the material, which I don't think was recently added. Technically, citations aren't required in the lead and I believe this is well enough supported in the body to be mentioned in the lead. Skyerise (talk) 11:18, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I reverted. Since this is a BLP, such a contentious statement needs to be well-sourced and supported by consensus (since it's been challenged). It was recently added to the lead. The body content is not great other, leaning heavily on Talking Points Memo, a not terrible but obviously biased source.
 * The sources used in this proposed lead change are:
 * An opinion piece in the Fayeteville Observer, obviously not usable
 * A piece in The Urban News, a local news source of uncertain reliability
 * A piece in the Washington Post that does not describe any of Robinson's comments as anti-Black
 * The above-mentioned Talking Points Memo article
 * This is a person with tons of state-level coverage and solid amounts of national and international coverage. There are strong sources out there, and if they're not describing Robinson's statements as anti-Black, we shouldn't be either. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 13:27, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Judgmental statements
It’s not up to Wiki writers to judge character. What you present as facts are not always so. 2603:8081:7E00:3B98:91FE:18F4:8141:3001 (talk) 15:45, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Bias Coverage
This article offensively attacks Robinson's Christian faith using aggressive and negatively charged language,

For example, it uses phrases like anti-LGBTQ, instead it could say he holds traditional Christian values on gender and sexuality.

He doesn't identify as anti LGTBQ or anti-Semitic… only the phrases he uses to self identify himself should be  used in this article  Pch2024 (talk) 19:33, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Putting aside the fact that many RS characterize his comments as such; "He doesn't identify as anti LGTBQ" ---> "transgenderism, homosexuality, any of that filth. And yes I called it filth." Replace "transgenderism, homosexuality" with any other category and then explain how the statement is not in fact an articulation of an anti-[category] position. I'm not sure how that is biased or why anyone would have a problem with it. -Indy beetle (talk) 01:09, 18 July 2024 (UTC)