Talk:Mark Schwahn

Undue section
When "allegations" make up the longest section in a BLP, it is very likely that "undue" has been hit. Collect (talk) 21:47, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

"Allegations" have been made by 45 women. This is the first case in history where an entire cast (and in this case, TWO entire casts) of a show have joined together to publicly accuse a showrunner and have him removed from a show. It has been reported extensively on by hundreds of reputable news sources, and is in fact now the thing he is most famous for, by far.

Erasing the number of women who have accused him (and the names of very famous women in that group) AND even erasing what they accused him of - while leaving only the name and statement of the ONE woman who defended him - is obvious bias. Lib2003 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 18:18, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
 * It's undue, and you do not have consensus for the additions Darkness Shines (talk) 19:21, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

These allegations by 45 women are historic - the first time that an entire cast has joined together to accuse a showrunner of abuse publicly, and it has happened to Mark Schwahn TWICE with two different show casts within a week. These allegations have been reported on by hundreds of reputable sources and are by far the thing he is now most famous for. They deserve more weight in the article.

It is clear and extreme bias to repeatedly erase the names of numerous famous actresses (Hilarie Burton, Sophia Bush, Daphne Zuniga, Danneel Harris, Bethany Joy Lenz) who have made allegations of sexual abuse against him AND erase the allegations they made AND their quotes AND the fact that 45 women have come forward, all while leaving in the name and quotes of the ONE actress who has said the abuse didn't happen (Elizabeth Hurley) and giving her statement far more weight than the statement of the 45 women who said otherwise but whose statements you deleted. This is obviously intended to minimize the accusations and indicate that the one woman dissenting is telling the truth while dismissing the 45 women who say otherwise. That is not justifiable or good practice.

Instead of erasing the women who have made the allegations and the nature of their allegations over and over and threatening to ban me for objecting, consider how biased the editing is.

P.S. You can ban me for pointing out your obvious bias if you really want to, but I'll just change my IP address and be right back editing within five minutes, so it won't do you any good. Lib2003 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 00:16, 19 November 2017 (UTC)

P.P.S. The person who keeps reverting to their biased edits doesn't even have the facts correct - in trying to erase the actual facts I placed in the article, they have included several statements which are patently false; for example, Audrey Wauchope never even named the show where she was harassed or Mark Schwahn and the article now says she did. The source does not say that at all. Lib2003 (talk) 00:21, 19 November 2017‎ (UTC)

Hi, all. I'm the one who alerted the WP:BLP noticeboard to this matter. Regarding Lib2003's version vs. Collect's version, Collect's is more in line with WP:Due weight when taking article size into account. When taking notability into account, Lib2003 might be correct in time (regarding the claim that Schwahn is now more well known for sexual misconduct). I feel that there is a bit missing from the current version, which Fyddlestix and I edited. The article states, in part, "Female cast members supported the allegations." I think that "Female cast members supported the allegations." should be changed to "Female cast members supported the allegations and alleged that some of them had also been sexually harassed by Schwahn." This is per this Variety source. Hilarie Burton and Danneel Harris state that Schwahn harassed them as well. Like Lib2003 noted above, with regard to One Tree Hill, it's not simply that lone One Tree Hill worker claiming sexual harassment. And that Variety source goes into detail. A lot of detail. Since my suggested "some of them" is vague, it would be better to state "Female cast members supported the allegations, and Hilarie Burton and Danneel Harris alleged that they had also been sexually harassed by Schwahn." We should also note that Schwahn was suspended from The Royals in light of the allegations.

I'll contact WP:TV about weighing in on this. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 22:38, 19 November 2017 (UTC)

And WP:BIOGRAPHY as well. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 22:43, 19 November 2017 (UTC)

Per what I stated above, I added my proposed text. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 01:39, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

Made a fix since the suspension aspect was already included. Flows better at the end of the content. Flyer22 Reborn (talk)