Talk:Marti Group

Contested deletion
This page should not be speedily deleted because (your reason here) --Fejesjoco (talk) 12:14, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

If you can propose how to make the article better, let me know, but deletion seems a bit excessive. By the same logic, most other articles in the same category of Swiss construction companies could be deleted, because they are very similar in scope, nature, and content. In fact I copied a lot of their structure when writing this one, so I think it's on par for the category. And they're one of the biggest such companies (estimated to be the second biggest).

In general, I agree that finding notable mentions of these companies is a bit more difficult than other subjects. But I did take the effort to find as many as possible. And I believe there's a lot of interesting information about these companies that people would be interested in. E.g. for historical reasons and to learn about engineering, which is on topic for Wikipedia. People see and use the things that these companies made every day, and even see them as they are being built, because you can find their logo all over the country at building sites. So there are lots of reasons why people would want to look them up.

It's hard to find mentions of these innovations elsewhere, it's like a hidden area of academia, and I think there's value in writing about those innovations here. I did find many good source materials like news articles, but without attribution, although it's easy to factually prove which company did what, I didn't cite them yet.

As for the promotion part, I am in no way associated with them. The information presented in the article is purely factual. The company also gets nothing in return because their clients are other huge companies and governments.

Swiss construction companies
In a matter of days, this article has been removed or proposed to be removed and then moved back several times. The reason I'm starting this discussion is that the policies seem to be applied very inconsistently by different editors. I started this article exactly because I saw articles of other Swiss companies. If those meet the bar for inclusion, then this one should as well, or so I thought. Inconsistent editing policies are a huge barrier of entry for aspiring editors.

In my opinion, this article is better sourced, and this company is arguably more notable than others already in the category. Examples: Lombardi Engineering, Swisslog, VSL_International, BBR_Construction, Frutiger_AG. Some of those have exactly zero secondary sources, and/or are clearly much less notable companies. In my opinion, some of them clearly meet the guidelines for WP:CSD, but the deletion requests of those were denied.

I understand that this category is challenging, which can be seen in my comment above this one, where I explain that it still seems valuable to have these articles. Marti, especially, is active in a lot of countries and projects, they're the second biggest construction company in Switzerland, and they even have social media presence where lots of interesting innovations are shared. I plan to write about those once the dust settles.

So, first of all, I would like to see if there's a way to consistently apply a bar for inclusion in this category. And then articles below that bar should all be submitted to WP:AfD and undergo a fair process. If this current article meets the bar for inclusion, but you feel is still not ready for publication, then please give concrete suggestions instead of just removing it.

Fejesjoco (talk) 11:03, 21 May 2024 (UTC)


 * You are right that policies are not fair. New pages have to clear a higher bar than existing pages (this is bad, but we don't know how to fix that). We just point people to WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS when they notice the inconsistency. Anyway, I agree that Marti is clearly notable and thank you for writing an article about them. I have added some sources to the AFD. If you want Liz to contribute to the discussion, it is best to ask her directly on her talk page as she tends to ignore the thousands of pings she receives. Happy editing, —Kusma (talk) 11:14, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

Expansion ideas for the projects section
The homepage of the company contains a lot of information about their projects. We could add a lot more details about those, e.g. add more projects to list, add some interesting tidbits, we could add dates and sort by that, etc. But it's hard to find secondary sources about many of this content, which is why they're not here yet.

Outside their website, the company publishes very interesting educational videos. We could certainly expand the current article with more details from these. In fact, writing about this was one of my main goals when I created this article, because the information from these videos would be very much in scope for Wikipedia. But again, most of this doesn't have secondary sources, and I don't necessarily want to copy all their video content here or make it into a link farm.

Ideas for hydraulic engineering: expansion of the Ritom power plant, Sihl-Zurichsee relief tunnel. It's evident to me that Marti took part in these projects, and there's news coverage about the projects, but I haven't found credible sources yet that links them together.

An interesting example is the Petersberg tunnel project. It actually does have secondary sources (news and even a research article), but for some reason these don't mention the name of the company. Based on Marti's claim, they certainly did all that, and even their logos are visible on some photos. But it's unclear to me if Wikipedia would allow to attribute this information to this company based on such evidence.

We could even add a section called research. Besides the research article linked above, I found another one here.

Fejesjoco (talk) 19:11, 22 May 2024 (UTC)