Talk:Martian Manhunter/Archive 1

Uncategorized comments
I hope this is fiction. Are there any details available? --KF 22:28, 26 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Two quick notes, until I get time to work on the article: &mdash;Paul A 05:15, 2 Feb 2004 (UTC)
 * 1) The Martian Manhunter is a fictional character from DC Comics.
 * 2) What the original contributor describes as "the comic book back story" is actually the character's backstory from Justice League (animated series) - which differs substantially from his comic book backstory.

Supposedly, Detective 225 is the "official" start date for DC's Silver Age. ("I'm going to practise an ancient Martian meditation technique." "I know where you can get a ton of Oreos.") Trekphiler 09:48, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

New look
We should not be using this until it is first publishes. Patience...--Chris Griswold 17:19, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

A Question I've had for Years
Why is he called a "manhunter?" Jackbox1971 03:23, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * You obviously have not been out with him on a Saturday night! Look out, girl! --Chris Griswold 03:42, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * As in "what's green and 14" long? I guess shape-changing would come in handy in certain departments. Seriously, was he known at some point as one-who-hunts-men, a la various Manhunters in the DCU? Jackbox1971 02:30, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
 * No, he is not connected to the Manhunters, any of them. I think he was just posing on Earth as a detective who always gets his man. Batman apparently is sometimes called the "Masked Manhunter", although I have never seen that in a comic. --Chris Griswold 04:42, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
 * The name of his original feature was John Jones, Manhunter from Mars. It wasn't so much a title as it was a description. He was a good old-fashioned 1950s noir-ish police detective, a manhunter, who just happened to be a disguised martian. This was before the silver age boom so his costume elements were played down. Then after the costumed heroes prove their sucessful again the martian elements are played up and he becomes a fully fledged superhero. Still, it would be interesting to find the first reference to the "Martian Manhunter" as opposed to the "Manhunter from Mars".--Jason Kirk 10:29, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
 * You are asking for the first time the phrase "Martian Manhunter" is used? --Chris Griswold 13:41, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I suppose I am. Now bear in mind I don't have access to the original stories, but it was always my understanding that he was originally just subtitled the Manhunter From Mars. I'd be interested in the result even if I'm mistaken. --Jason Kirk 16:08, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

I vaguely recall reading/hearing that, back on Mars, he J'onn was part of the "Manhunter" caste, the Martian equivalent of detectives/cops/bounty hunters. So, in a way, it's like RoboCop (he's a Robot, and a Cop; J'onn is a Martian and a Manhunter). Dr Archeville 13:10, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

He is called Martian Manhunter because he is a Martian from Mars and a Manhunter on his home planet was someone who seeks knowledge. So that is why he is called Martian Manhunter. Martian Manhunter 12:49, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Knowledge? I've always heard him described as a cop on Mars, not a scholar.216.26.131.217 15:06, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, maybe he was called a Manhunter because he was cruising for some hot guy-on-guy action. Seriously, this isn't a forum. This is a discussion area for how to make the article better or to sort out problems. Sorry for the harsh, but there it is. - Arcayne   (cast a spell)  15:32, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Powers and abilities
I just noticed that this article is missing the Power and abilites section that most other comics characters have. Somebody want to add it? CovenantD 14:38, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

I don't think his Power levels are right. I remember that in NEW WORLD ORDER in his fight with Protex, Superman states that away from fire Martians are as strong as tough and as fast as him --Jacenskylo 21:36, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Parody in Marvel?
According the wiki article on Marvel's Captain Ultra (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_Ultra), Ultra is a parody of of MM. I didn't see any citation to this and was wondering if this is one of those "common knowledge" things that ain't so common. I would think that in order to be a parody, there would have to be more than one parallel. Jackbox1971 00:53, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Never heard of it. Minor character. Should be cited. --Chris Griswold 01:09, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
 * The article on Marvel's Super-Skrull character references The Skrullian Skymaster as Marvel's parody of MM. I honestly don't know enough about it to clarify, perhaps someone with a little more knowlege can add to the discussion. --CPitt76 18:42, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
 * "Analog" is the more appropriate term. --Chris Griswold 21:14, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Flames of passion
In what context did MM tell Superman that he is impervious to flame, just not "flames of passion"? --Chris Griswold 13:27, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
 * At the end of the Trial By Fire storyline (JLA nos.84-89). "The flame and I are again bound, body and soul... but not as before... I can withstand simple fire without pain.  Candle flame, or a burning forest, it matters not unless -- they are flames of psychic significance.  Flames of suffering, as The Burning created... flames of passion, as an arsonist might create... flames of love.  Those... those most of all I cannot bear." Dr Archeville 13:16, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

The common mistake with Martian Manhunter is that his weakness is fire. I am a HUGE fan of the big MM and his weakness is not just plain old fire. Martian Manhunter's entire race died from due to his brother Mafic. So when he looks into the flames, if he sees his family and his race "burning" it is unbearable for him. So that is his true weakness, it’s not like you can just take out a lighter and take down one of DC greatest heros. Martian Manhunter 12:46, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Brave New World
The Brave New World image is not the Martian Manhunter it is a picture of the "other" surviving green Martian as indicated by the story's text. --Basique 00:13, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

M.Manhunter story
I remember a team-up (probably in the early 70's) featuring Superman & Martian Manhunter where they are another planet and Martian Manhunters powers were diminished. Was this a one-shot deal by a writer that didn't know the character? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)

The common mistake with Martian Manhunter is that his weakness is fire. I am a HUGE fan of the big MM and his weakness is not just plain old fire. Martian Manhunter's entire race died from fire due to his brother Mafic. So when he looks into the flames if he sees his family and his race "burning" it is unbearable for him. So that is his true weakness, it’s not like you can just take out a lighter and take down one of DC greatest heros. Martian Manhunter 12:46, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

You know nothing! The character's weakness is fire. The stuff with his brother wasn't made up until the late nineties and MM not having a weakness to fire didn't pop up until after 1987!

In the late seventies there were stories with J'onn teaming up with other heroes (his solo appearances having been cancelled in the sixties) and in some it was revealed that on Mars or on Mars II his powers are diminished, just as other Martians lack the full powers that J'onn found he had on earth. Blue Spider 07:14, 31 October 2006 (UTC)


 * The trouble with the Manhunter's weakness to fire, and to an extent his entire physical nature, is that their exact details get revised almost everytime he appears - even if the revision is just to ignore the previous revision. That his weakness to fire is purely psychosomatic doesn't really conflict with the pre-Crisis version, it just offers an explanation for it. --Jason Kirk 15:20, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Don't tell editors they know nothing. It's rude. --Chris Griswold (  ☎  ☓  ) 17:23, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

... I thought we were talking about present Martian Manhunter when i posted my input on october 25. I don't know much about his early apperances (i know i am ashamed : ( but i am slowly collecting any comic he has appeared in to read) (Martian Manhunter 02:42, 1 January 2007 (UTC))

Main image
Can we please pick a main image for this character and stick with it? I guess it doesn't really matter, but it's just that this keeps being changed back and forth for no reason other than personal preference. Personally, I like the current one, but that's neither here nor there.Jayunderscorezero 13:23, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Sorry I forgot to include an edit summary. I changed the pic because the last one had been deleted from Wikipedia and was no longer available. CovenantD 13:39, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Eep, my bad. Sorry, I just saw that it had been changed a lot of time in recent history and jumped to conclusions. Sorry.Jayunderscorezero 13:06, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Superspeed
I don't think the current statement about super-speed is right. Didn't one of the White Martians race the Flash, with superspeed running and "vibration" tricks? That looked a lot like super speed to me. TheronJ 13:08, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm inclined to agree also. Zum(the white Martian) as he was called clearly used super-speed. I'm not sure where this list of powers comes from. --Ozoneliar 13:08, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Mort-ian Manwriter
I'm no expert on the character, but Daniels' DC Comics credits Mort Weisinger with creating him. Can anybody confirm or refute? Trekphiler 10:01, 16 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Toonpedia lists it as Joseph Samachson and Joe Certa and so does dcuguide. The more I see of this "Daniels" the less I trust it. CovenantD 21:31, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
 * The Daniels has written several books on DC and Marvel. The Daniels wrote those "Complete History" books on Superman and Batman for DC. --Chris Griswold (  ☎  ☓  )
 * Do you have any idea why so much of it seems to be contradicted by other sources? I've seen this type of post on several different articles. CovenantD 22:35, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Trekphiler found a soggy copy of one of The Daniels' books down by the railroad tracks and began to ask comics editors across Wikipedia whether they can confirm or refute its contents. --Chris Griswold (  ☎  ☓  ) 02:46, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Not such a soggy copy. It was the local library. And the question is, is Daniels reliable? Which, I would have thought, is a valid question if he's to be cited, or not, elsewhere. Or do you not consider reliable sources worth identifying, so busy are you making fun? Trekphiler (talk) 11:46, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Martian Manhunter's Love Life?
I believe that Martian Manhunter had a strong relationship with the Green Flame. Does anyone know what happened to the relationship that would cause the Green Flame to dislike Martian Manhunter? (Was it the death of Ice)
 * Prolly one of dem kinky Martian love practices...heh heh heh. Arcayne 17:03, 22 March 2007 (UTC) (being goofy)

Funny
I know this can't be in the article, but it'll make some of you laugh. ToyFare reviewed a MM toy and said "Like the real Martian Manhunter this figure is vulnerable to fire. He's also vulnerable to hammers."216.191.40.149 00:40, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I like that it says "like the real Martian Manhunter". There's a real Martian Manhunter??Jayunderscorezero 01:15, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes. He is an admin. --Chris Griswold (  ☎  ☓  ) 07:07, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Smallville!
Would people please stop the back and forth with Smallville. Either cite a source (hint: the original article URL) or give it a rest. --Jason Kirk 23:15, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Unless a secondary source is provided it cannot be suggested or speculated that the MM character is on Smallville, however obvious it may be. Editors are not allow to interpret a primary source per WP:NOR. --Madchester 19:08, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
 * According to the page history, it was cited in TV Guide . The citation was probably removed after the episode aired (Nov. 16), but it couldn't hurt to include a reference. --Pentasyllabic 22:05, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Smallville
The source quoted for the martian manhunter being chloe sullivan doesnt check out and i cant find any other reliable sources to this end so im removing it.

And this is why in Wikipedia there is that overriding need for Reliable Sources. Allowing the CW to use us as their marketing organ makes us look stupid when they change their minds or get it compleltely wrong.Arcayne 15:12, 27 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Again, The CW, you know the people that produce the show, call him Martian Manhunter Bignole 15:15, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, for sure, but I am sure that that is in the interest of conserving space. Please refer to the folks who, you know, actually created the character, hmm? Or how about the site that faithfully serves as a repository for the DC comic universe? or how about the WP entry for him, wherein he is called THE Martian Manhunter. Seriously man, this is elementary school grammar.Arcayne 15:29, 27 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Obviously, becuase the people that created him know better....Oh wait, he's a DC comics character, which means that he's owned by Warner Brothers...yep, WB has a hand in the show as well. I think, if it wasn't the character, someone would have a lawsuit on their hands. As for his name, Martian Manhunter, or THE Martian Manhunter, it's really irrelevant, because we are only talking about the character and we have already stated that he has yet to call himself anything in the show. Catch ya later cool breeze. Bignole 15:33, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

I think it is better to better spend out time finding reliable sources for citation, instead of arguing over the use of a definitive article. And since he has not been identified by a reliable, mainstream source as the Martian Manhunter, we are not going to make that leap for them. On the flip-side, sparky.Arcayne 15:42, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, adter doing a little more research, it appears that both Martian Manhunter and the Martian Manhunter are used equally, the former distinguished as different from terms like, the Batman or the Creeper or the Hulk. The most relevent source of canon for the topic is the currently-running DC series, Martian Manhunter. He is referred to without the definitve article; therefore, I yield this particular point. Martian Manhunter it is. I will revise the article accordingly.Arcayne 16:50, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

J'onn J'onzz
Should we move him to J'onn Jonzz? I think so. Brian Boru is awesome 00:13, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't. He is more commonly known as Martian Manhunter, not J'onn Jonzz, even though J'onn is his actual name, it's the MM alias that is more widely known. Bignole 00:17, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Maybe here should be a redirect page at J'onn J'onzz, but not a move.Jayunderscorezero 01:01, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh, it turns out there already is a redirect page, so people searching for J'onn J'onzz will indeed end up here anyway.Jayunderscorezero 01:03, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Actually he is more commonly known as THE Martian Manhunter. I'm not sure why folks feel the need to drop the definitive article there. It sounds like we are starring in a 1940's Cowboys n' Indians movie.Arcayne 15:15, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Grammar aside, I've since learned from more than one source that there isn't a 'the' in the name. Although it makes an English comp wonk like me cringe inwardly, it is the way it it: Martian Manhunter, as in "Hi, I'm Martian Manhunter, all your base are belong to us."Arcayne 03:59, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
 * There is a "the", it just depends on the usage. "Martian Manhunter" is a title not a name. Compare with the Flash, the Superman, or the Batman. Some heroes loose the "the" far quicker than others, but its still normal to use it for characters like "the Flash" and in this case "the Martian Manhunter." --Jason Kirk 08:47, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually there isn't. I went to the source and checked DC's website and the current comic, and as you know, the comics are canon until they are retconned (and don't even get me started on my opinion of that practice). There is no 'the.' It is simply Martian Manhunter. He is referred to that way by the comic book and by DC. Cannot get any more solid a reference than that, my friend. If you had read my post on the subject int he earlier header, you would see that I addressed how it was different from Bats or the Speedster (as far as I know, Big Blue has never been referred to as The Superman. Nietsche does though, and Shaw made a | boring little play about it).
 * I know, it drives me crazy, too, but there it is.Arcayne 05:42, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Manhunter?
There needs to be an explanation of the manhunter name in the article
 * there is one.....--Marhawkman 00:37, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Green Martian page
Now that there's more than one, shouldn't we go and make a real page for Green martians?--Marhawkman 00:37, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Consolidation of Headers
I am noticing in some articles that when a character appears in other media, they denote the type of media (like animation, etc.). I think that is better than creating a new header for one piece of information (referring to The Batman animated series here). If no one has any complaints, I would like to consolidate a lot of the appearances under other media. I am thinking putting the animated stuff together, the television series appearances... ...and of course the Face on Mars. Just kidding about that last one.Arcayne 06:14, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Updating the Page
Since J'onn's mini-series ended shouldn't his page be updated to tell about all of the events that happened in it?RyuKlinge 04:40, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, as they give insight into the fact the MM is no longer alone, and we know more about the character's history. However, it needs to be brief. Arcayne 12:48, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Shouldn't we also make an actual page for Green martians in general? The series did end by confirming that there WAS another Green Martian alive on Earth.--Marhawkman 23:16, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Why Should it be Brief? shouldn't people if they are looking up J'onn they should know what happened to him. RyuKlinge 01:55, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Brief in this instance means being concise - the Cliff notes version (or, Reader's Digest condensed version, if you are my grandpa's age). Being brief also weeds out speculation (stuff like,  'this probably means' , or  'this could be' , or ' it should' , etc.). I would be amazed if we can't condense the eight-issue series into less than six paragraphs. Meat and bones, no fat; just like an ordinary encyclopedia. I hope that helps explain things. :) Arcayne 02:09, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Anybody gonna make a page for Till'All or Cay'An? Or should we wait until they're seen elsewhere?--Marhawkman 16:07, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I would opt to wait, so as to avoid speedy deletion of an otherwise anorexic article. Arcayne 17:04, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
 * What about splitting the "Martian Manhunter" data between the current article and one on green martians in general?--Marhawkman 21:24, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Ok being concise I agree with, as long as we get the main points of the series and what J'onn went through in it. RyuKlinge 21:11, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry, a poor word choice on my part. Concise it is. :) Arcayne 22:35, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

No need for a separate page for Green Martians. They aren't really a major element apart from J'onn himself. CovenantD 21:27, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
 * At least, not yet. It's good that you are thinking about the long haul. I personally think that there isn't enough there just yet to warrant a stand-alone article

New Theory
I came up with this theory that J'onn might be the Black King of Checkmate, Taleb Beni Khalid, I was wondering should I post anything about on here, or wait till there is something actually shown about it? RyuKlinge 09:38, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
 * What evidence is there?--Marhawkman 13:04, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Here is what I have come up with:

1. Martian Manhunter at the end of his Mini said he is going to be working with heroes who work Outside the lines, with Outside being capitalized, that means Outsiders and I doubt it is a coincidence that Martian Manhunter and Checkmate are both going to be working with the Outsiders.

2. When I asked Ben Morse (who works at Wizard) about what Martian Manhunter will appear next in and he said this: Martian Manhunter has some very interesting stuff coming up this summer involving not one but two DC titles. 3a. J'onn in 52 Week # 24, disguised himself as a member of the Cabinet working undercover for 6 months and had the President ban Checkmate from the U.S. to avenge Ted Kord, later in the same issue, the U.N. Reinstated it. I believe J'onn trying to destroy Checkmate still he would go undercover in the New Checkmate.

3b. Also at the end of the Martian Manhunter Mini there was a new character brought in that was a White Martian named Till'All and they actually worked together and became friends, so he could be Shen Li Po, the Black Knight's Bishop.

4. Ok these things deal with things in Issue # 12 of Checkmate, so I am putting spoilers here: In today's issue Taleb talks with Fire and says that he recruited her because of her being a Superhero, and J'onn worked with Fire as a superhero and would know her skills.

5. More stuff from Issue #12: A: At the end of the issue, Amanda Waller says that the Last Royal who crossed her had the power of the Starheart, what can you do? to Taleb, and J'onn has stronger powers then Alan Scott, especially with Telepathy to be able to be 3 steps ahead of Waller. B. The Way Taleb looked at the end of the issue after the conversation with Waller looks like kind of Martian Manhunter type of pose and gave me a J'onn type of vibe to it. Same thing with his voice talking to Fire seemed exactly like how the J'onn sounds, it gave me the same kind of vibe.

6. No more spoilers, now anyways I was looking up Arabic Names and learned that Taleb means Seeker of Truth, and J'onn being a Detective, a Manhunter is a Seeker of Truth, also Khalid means Eternal/Immortal and J'onn has a long life span and seems Eternal, I haven't been able to find what Beni means.

that is all the evidence I have to it, and also that Greg Rucka himself wouldn't confirm or Deny the theory. RyuKlinge 19:06, 30 March 2007 (UTC)


 * All of that sounds very well-thought-out. If it turns out that J'onn is in fact the Black King, I will make it a point to say that you were the guy who knew it first. However, we cannot insert that hypothesis into the article, because it is OR by synthesis. If, however, you found a reliable secondary source to cite from (no blogs or chat forums or the like), then it could be included. I hope you understand. Arcayne   (cast a spell)  20:52, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Does this count: http://images.newsarama.com/dcnew/Oct07/4/CHECK_Cv19_solicit.jpg ? Kairos 10:22, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
 * It's certainly close. But do we know he wasn't just imitating him for a while?--Marhawkman 10:34, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

The Batman
In the episode "The Joining Part One", he DOES show density changing (when he flies through the side of the building) and invisibility (briefly after Batman catches him with the electrified net), so I am changing this section. Nda98 20:40, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, when you find a good citable reference for that density changing thingie, please add it to the statement. Otherwise, any editor can remove it at their leisure. Arcayne   (cast a spell)  23:29, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
 * He does fly through a wall in the episode, and the Powers section does say that he can decrease his density to become intangible and pass through solid objects, so I would be inclined to leave it in, unless it can be proven that he passes through walls by a different method. Nda98 13:48, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

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Removed Sections
I removed the following sections from the article, as it is largely uncited information, and seems full of OR assumptions and OR by synthesis. It cannot remain in the article until referfenced appropriately by a secondary source.


 * Meaning of the name
 * The reason why J'onn uses the "Martian Manhunter" as his superhero moniker has been explored many times. In his original detective stories, he is simply referred to as "The Manhunter from Mars." and Manhunter is simply another term for detective. However, superhero comics became more prominent and the manhunter was retconned into them. Decades later, the term was explained more thoroughly: Manhunters were the police force on Mars, and J'onn was a prominent member. Therefore, "Martian Manhunter" is akin to saying "Chicago Detective" or "United States federal agent". In one 2006 issue of Justice League of America a White Martian refers to Batman as a Manhunter.

- Arcayne   (cast a spell)  18:33, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

As well, the trivia section was removed from the article (and placed here) because trivia sections are a Bad Thing. It's placement here allows for relevant pieces to be integrated into the article as they can be worked in.


 * Trivia
 * In other languages:
 * In Brazil and Portugal, Martian Manhunter was known as Ajax. The direct translation to Portuguese (Caçador de Marte) was seldom used. Currently, the translators favor the character's name, J'onn.
 * In Spain and Latin America, the character is known as El Detective Marciano (The Martian Detective).
 * J'onn's daughter K'ymm is named for Kim Yale.
 * From 1963 to 1968, Manhunter briefly had a small orange-skinned speech-challenged alien partner from another dimension named Zook, whom he found on an island. Zook had the power to change temperatures and shapeshift his body, though not his color. At first the speechless Zook was his pet. As Zook learned speech, he later became Manhunter's partner, helping him solve several cases. After his final appearance in House of Mystery #172 (1968), Zook vanished from the series and DC continuity altogether with no explanation. Zook bore a striking similarity to Cryll, the alien partner of fellow DC character Space Ranger. As of Superman/Batman #31, he has reappeared. John Ostrander's series homaged the character by showing J'onn's costume to be made from a Martian shapeshifting plant called a Zo'ok.
 * One of J'onn's alternate identities was that of a female Japanese journalist Hino Rei. The name is an in-joke, sharing a similarity to that of a character from the Sailor Moon anime series, also known as Sailor Mars. Surprisingly, Batman recognised the name, telling J'onn that it was "a giveaway".

- Arcayne   (cast a spell)  14:31, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Miss Martian?
She has her own page, being a current/active member of the teen titans. And her page has a link to this one. I'm at least going to put a link to her page(since their is no "see also" section).

Kairos 08:28, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Bit of trivia
There was an appearance of a green skinned alien in a magazine about 6 months before the new Flash ushered in the Silver Age. I cannot recall where I read that, but maybe I will try. Jokem 04:06, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

The Main Picture
The main picture is cool but I think it should be replaced. It doesn't represent MM as everyone knows him, a big bald green dude with a red 'bikini' (yes, I went there) top and blue trunks. He could be any color under that blue jumpsuit. Lots42 21:48, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I disagree. this is his CURRENT appearance.--Marhawkman 23:25, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I disagree as well. Encyclopedias remain current. - Arcayne   (cast a spell)  21:06, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
 * DC Comics has recently changed how the Manhunter looks. Are you guys gonna change the picture? Anonymous


 * DC Comics changed the costume back in the end. He was buried in his original costume. The new costume and look was very contrived. Annoyed with fanboys (talk) 04:46, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Removed section (movie)

 * I've pulled this section from the article, as it is uncited, and the quicklinks do not redirect to discussion of the actual film:


 * Movie
 * The Martian Manhunter will be featured in the direct-to-video animated movie Justice League: The New Frontier. The film will focus heavily on J'onn.
 * He also will be intriduced in George Miller's movie : Justice League of America in 2009.


 * Significant problems are as follows:
 * If The New Frontier is to "heavily focus" on JJ, we need a citation that says that.
 * We also need a citation as to the release of this animated film.
 * Which George Miller? The quicklink sends us to the dab page for all George Millers of note.
 * The link that is supposed to take the reader to the article for the JLA movie directs only to the main article for the JLA...and there is no mention of the '09 movie in prep there.
 * Until these problems are fixed, this section cannot return to the article. - Arcayne   (cast a spell)  16:24, 25 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I've since replaced the section with the already-sourced section from the Justice League article. - Arcayne   (cast a spell)  00:21, 26 November 2007 (UTC)