Talk:Martin-Baker Mk.1

Jastreb
I removed the Soko J-21 Jastreb from the list as it had the Folland Type 1-B seat, the same as the Folland Gnat and SOKO G-2a Galeb, not a Martin-Baker one. Petebutt (talk) 18:00, 16 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Not according to Martin-Baker!! As you wish. Nimbus (Cumulus nimbus floats by)    18:13, 16 December 2011 (UTC)


 * I've re-added it with an inline citation, check the 'Variants' tab of the source for confirmation if required. I've also piped the link to make it clearer which aircraft type they are referring to. Nimbus (Cumulus nimbus floats by)    18:42, 16 December 2011 (UTC)


 * OK, the source says so, but common sense would surely prevail, as the Mk.1 was long out of production when the J-21 / J-1 Jastreb came on the scene. Apart from that the cockpit is virtually identical to the G-2 Galeb,so why try squeezing a big seat into a small cockpit when yuo already have a seat that fits perfectly? I think a better reference is required, maybe some librarian got confused between Folland type 1 and Martin-Baker Mk.1.Petebutt (talk) 19:29, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I have checked the website as you suggest and it confirms my assertion that the author was confused between the Folland Type 1-B and the Martin-Baker Mk.1. The list reads

U.K U.K U.K U.K U.K U.K U.K U.K U.K YUGOSLAVIA YUGOSLAVIA
 * METEOR MK1
 * Supermarine Attacker MK1A
 * Westland Wyvern MK1B
 * CANBERRA MK1C
 * CANBERRA MK1CN
 * Hawker Sea Hawk MK1D
 * METEOR MK1E
 * Venom MK1F
 * Hawker Hunter MK1H
 * SOKO 1-B ( referring to the G-2 Galeb verbatim indicating Folland / Hawker Siddeley Type 1-b)
 * J-1 1-B ( referring to the Soko J-1 / J-21 Jastreb verbatim indicating Folland / Hawker Siddeley Type 1-b)

So we know for sure that the G-2 Galeb had the Folland seat and this list from Martin-Baker says the J-1 / J-21 had the same seat as the G-2 Galeb, therefore the seat in the Jastreb could not have been a Martin-Baker Mk.1. I rest my case, NEXT!!Petebutt (talk) 19:43, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
 * More info - an extract from the SAAB ejection seat history web-page as the Folland seats were direct descendants of the SAAB Model II ejection seat.


 * During late 1944 and early 1945 with the war drawing to an end delegations from America and France visited Sweden to view their developments. Until this period, Sweden being a neutral country, had kept her developments secret. America had also collected data from Britain and Germany on ejection seats and returned with examples from all three countries.


 * In the early 1950s Folland were the only company to actively develop and manufacture seats based on the original Model II seat. There were four Marks of Folland seat with a rocket version being proposed. The Folland Midge and Gnat were fitted with Folland seats and the Yugoslavs bought large quantities of the early Folland seats. In India the Ajeet fighter based on the Gnat featured the Folland seat but this was later replaced by a lightweight Martin-Baker seat. There was even a proposal for the fitting of Saab ejection seats into the Gloster Meteor NF11 when Armstrong-Whitworth's were approached by the Swedish Air Force in September 1950.


 * A little digging reveals the truth.Petebutt (talk) 19:55, 16 December 2011 (UTC)


 * I agree now after extensive searching myself, there is an error at MB. However there is no need to be so sarcastic and pointy, I am doing my best to create an informative set of articles where none existed before and I am getting no thanks for it. Nimbus (Cumulus nimbus floats by)    20:13, 16 December 2011 (UTC)


 * "Sarcasm IS the lowest form of wit",I know. Any pointiness or aggression perceived is misplaced. I am notderiding your efforts, in fact i have praised your efforts in another talk page, as well as fairly assessing your articles as B-class, so who is being pointy and aggressive now, eh? Lighten up a bit, life is too short to blow a gasket over this.Petebutt (talk) 21:09, 16 December 2011 (UTC)


 * What makes http://www.ejectorseats.co.uk/ a reliable source? It looks very much like a fan site to me. The articles that you have assessed are showing as start class, you have completed the B class checklist but left the 'start' parameter in place. Nimbus (Cumulus nimbus floats by)    21:36, 16 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Probably not the best source I agree. As for the assessment in the Aviation and Milhist projects you don't need to change the start class because the assessment is automatic, (up to B-class), when the check-list is filled out.Petebutt (talk) 21:45, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

Reasons For Creation
It is stated that the MB Mk.1 seat was developed after a request from Their Airships at Whitehall due to a fatal accident in the Gloster E.28/39. This is patent nonsense.

Two E.28/39 aircraft were built, one was destroyed when at Flight Level Three-Nine-Zero (39,000 Feet), the aileron jammed in a right-hand turn, causing the aircraft to flip over and the engine to flame-out. Squadron Leader Douglas Davie was thrown clear of the aircraft and free-fell 20,000 feet from 33,000 feet before opening his parachute, suffering frostbite. He survived. This was the 30th of July 1943. He died in Gloster Meteor F.9/40 DG204 (One of the series of eight prototypes) on the 1st of April 1944.

The other E,28/39 resides at the Science Museum.

Sources: Douglas Davie date of death: http://www.britishjets.net/wps/jetpages.nsf/pages/jet_age-martin-baker Douglas Davie E.28/39 event: http://www.456fis.org/GLOSTER_E.28_&_39.htm Douglas Davie E.28/39 event: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gloster_E.28/39#Testing — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.4.110.223 (talk) 19:05, 29 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Apologies, my mistake. It was the Gloster Meteor prototype with Sqn Ldr Davie, the E.28 is mentioned directly below in the source due to his earlier bale out from this aircraft. Corrected and cite added. Nimbus (Cumulus nimbus floats by)    21:04, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

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