Talk:Martin Österdahl

Inclusion of incident at 2024 Eurovision - discussing Osterdahl
Space for discussing booing/disapproval of media discussing Osterdahl directly. Judged by @Zaathras to be irrelvant to this page, and other user being a "butthurt nationalist". Think it is relevant as this deals with him directly - as in citation.

Premature removal of sourced content by others risks starting edit wars, especially when the content is potentially relevant. AlbusWulfricDumbledore (talk) 17:19, 12 May 2024 (UTC)


 * (for later context - Incident, discussion of incident by outlet. Material kept off for now considering material is potentially harmful in a BLP - until there is input from others re: relevance AlbusWulfricDumbledore (talk) 17:28, 12 May 2024 (UTC)


 * It has no bearing on Österdahl personally, thus it does not belong in this article. Every year someone gets mad because they feel their country got slighted in the competition, last May it was the Swedes. Zaathras (talk) 22:29, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I mean with the amount of calls for Osterdahl's head due to being held responsible for the Joost disqualification this is absolutely not the case, but even aside from that, I think comparing a random comment made by an IP with something actually backed by a reliable source in Sky News (and The Guardian, and EuroNews, both perennial RSs) is comparing apples and hand grenades. Make an argument on dueness if you so wish, as I'm not totally sold on this being due yet, but this is not an argument at all. ser! (chat to me - see my edits) 22:37, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
 * That was one example of several, and the point sailing over your head was that people perennially take their personal angst out on the refs, the commissioners, etc...when their team or country gets slighted. Zaathras (talk) 23:28, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Again, inaccurate comparison. Your first mistake is assuming this actually happens at Eurovision regularly. It doesn't; people's countries get "slighted" all the time and this doesn't occur. See the article for the Tolmachevy Sisters in 2014, for whom they had to deploy anti-booing technology in the arena. As said in that citation, it plainly does not happen apart from exceptional circumstances. This is why it's making headlines in so many RSs and this is why it's due for inclusion. ser! (chat to me - see my edits) 07:45, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Agree - quite a lot of media focused on him and his actions personally here AlbusWulfricDumbledore (talk) 08:56, 13 May 2024 (UTC)