Talk:Martin Dougiamas

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Martin is a real person who has made a significant impact on the implementation of a constructivist model of teaching online. Martin's software and research work underpinned the current CMS model used by the UK Open University and many other learning institutions. He has spoken as a keynote conference presenter about the changes expected in collaborative online learning using ICT and the impact of Web2 technologies on the classroom. I am compiling some references about his work and contribution. I am avoiding vain, empty praise or sweeping statements and need some time to tidy up the collection of bibliographic notes that I have into a summary about him. --RolandG 04:19, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

More information
Until more information and sources are cited, I vote delete for this page. Probably a neat, smart person--but the article does not reflect that on the "encyclopedic" level--Paul McDonald 04:27, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

I consider it sufficient, though another source would help. This is debatable enough that it cant be a sepeedy--if someone wants to delete it try AfD. Speed is only for unquestionably NN, and that it is not.DGG 07:57, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Information sought for has been added. :-) --RolandG 06:55, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

I also vote to delete. I don't see anything too novel, and a lot of it sounds like marketing. 137.30.122.155 (talk) 01:22, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

I also vote to delete. After reading this page it really seems like a cheap marketing ploy to advance someone's personal career. If this is allowed then what is to stop every random joe from creating a wikipedia temple to their own honor? 143.207.14.125 (talk) 23:34, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

This guy created software that affects how millions of students learn. Is that less honorable than the many many people listed in Wikipedia simply for appearing once in some cheap TV show or having played an instrument on a record? 58.161.176.98 (talk) 01:57, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Supported. According to Wikipedia, Moodle had, in June 2013, over 70 million users. The product is so widely used and has such immense impact on education that an entry on its creator is absolutely warranted. Destroyer71 (talk) 11:05, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

Inaccuracies that need to be addressed
The sentence "Dougiamas started work in 1986 on early Internet and web applications at Curtin University, Australia." cannot possibly be true. Either the year or the characterization of "Internet and web" must be incorrect. Unfortunately I have no knowledge on which is wrong, so that I could correct this. Am unwilling to delete the sentence as the correction is probably a minor one. Anyone have insights on this? Destroyer71 (talk) 11:01, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

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Delete noncontroversial "controversy" section?
In the United States the only people who have been castigated have been asked a direct question, "Do you think Black lives matter?" and had dodged agreeing by saying "well, all lives matter," or something of that sort. Nobody speaking about another matter entirely and affirming human life, has been found controversial. The phrase has excited anger only when used for the specific purpose of dodging the question, "Do Black Lives matter?" No controversy here.Profhum (talk) 21:40, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

Should this page be a redirect to Moodle?
This page should probably just be a redirect to Moodle.

There is no claim nor evidence of independent notability per the requirements of WP:GNG, WP:NSCIENTIST or any other Wikipedia notability criterion that springs to mind for Dougiamas.

I just did a check of all references used on this page. Mostly they're primary sources, and the sources are about Moodle, not Dougiamas. There appears to be nothing meeting Wikipedia criteria for having an article other than his work on Moodle.

The main source actually about Dougiamas appears to be a conference interview with him, and the article then just repeating his statements. Fine, but this isn't an "about" page on a website - it's supposed to be an encyclopedia article.

This is a biography of a living person - and on Wikipedia, those have pretty stringent sourcing rules, for obvious reasons. Per WP:BLP, all claims have to be sourced to independent verifiable third-party Reliable Sources. "Reliable sources" here is more of a Wikipedia jargon term than its meaning in plain English, but means sources that are strong enough to be evidence of meeting a claim of noteworthiness, both for the subject and for claims made about them - particularly for a living person.

There are also edits from accounts called and  - while I'm not claiming these are the subject or closely associated with the subject, if they are then there needs to be a proper COI declaration as explained at WP:COI.

Is there any genuine biographical coverage of Dougiamas himself in independent third-party sources above blog level? Or is it all actually about Moodle? - David Gerard (talk) 15:20, 9 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Is there really nobody who knows of anything suitable as a source for a BLP? - David Gerard (talk) 01:02, 13 June 2020 (UTC)


 * I've redirected the article to Moodle. We shouldn't recreate this as a standalone article unless and until there are good-enough third-party RSes, per WP:BLP - David Gerard (talk) 09:42, 16 June 2020 (UTC)