Talk:Martin Frobisher

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Did he really explore "much of Russia"? To my knowledge, all of the explorers were unsuccessful in finding a Northwest Passage to Russia, and it doesn't mention in the article when/where/details o:)n his explorations of Russia... somehow I doubt that he did so. ugen64 03:59, Sep 10, 2004 (UTC)


 * In fact, the path around Russia was the "NorthEAST Passage" and Frobisher didn't go there. Richard Chancellor discovered a passage around Scandinavia to Russia and established trade there, but died in a shipwreck off Scotland wihtout discovering the real prize, a Northeast Passage past Russia to Cathay.


 * The Northwest Passage is across the Atlantic and west through America.


 * Frobisher discovered much of Eastern Canada, and I have made the change. PKM 9 July 2005 03:13 (UTC)

Restless Natives

 * "The recorded history of Nunavut began in 1576. Martin Frobisher, while leading an expedition to find the Northwest Passage, thought he had discovered gold ore in what is now known as Frobisher Bay on the coast of Baffin Island. The ore turned out to be worthless, but Frobisher made the first recorded European contact with the Inuit. The contact was hostile, with Frobisher capturing four Inuit people and bringing them back to England, where they quickly perished."

Nunavut

Worthy of a mention, I think....


 * Absolutely. Let me think about how to reword this passage. PKM 03:45, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

Rather than the trite "Restless Natives" slur, which suggests they were the aggressors, you might consider a less white (ie: white-washed by white men) version and give credit to the Inuit for the crimes against them by the invaders: The "set of Inuits" (unrelated man, woman & child) kidnapped by Frobisher as trophies through no fault of their own & the village of Inuits slaughtered in hasty retribution when the second voyage found the discarded clothing of the five men that were simply left behind by Frobisher and were rescued rather than "captured" by the Inuit.

Reference: 500 Nations: An Illustrated History of North American Indians by Alvin M Josephy Jr - which was the basis for the Kevin Costner doco of the same name directed by Jack Leustig and catalogues the trail of murder and betrayal that was the native populations experience.```` [Phil 7 Ryan]

The First Paragraph

 * Parts of the first paragraph are plagairized from Bill Bryson's Made in America (pg. 8). It should be changed or at least should attribute the source.  The language is identical.

According to the birth and death dates given, Frobisher lived to the ripe old age of 155.

Martin Frobisher's Descendants
There is mention of Martin Frobisher having two wives. What of any offspring? It is of interest to me as my paternal Great Grandfather was Edward Frobisher, born approx 1880 in Manitoba. The pedigree I have obtained in vertical lineage only and omits any reference to siblings.

Vandalism
I am a new user and cannot edit the article. We need an established user to edit the vandalism in the first paragraph of Early Life.
 * Done. Thanks for pointing this out. --- RockMFR 18:21, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Birth Date
But does it say when he was born? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.26.167.136 (talk) 22:47, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Italian page
Could you add the link to the italian page that I just created? --DizioMario (talk) 12:06, 8 March 2009 (UTC) hey!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.146.11.79 (talk) 03:12, 7 December 2009 (UTC) - Seems to have been done. Fotoguzzi (talk) 16:21, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Legacy
It seems the third Frobisher expedition is being cited as the first liturgical thanksgiving to be held in the New World. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thanksgiving_(Canada). If true (and there is a citation given) it seems this page would do well to reflect that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:C592:4580:656D:5845:9584:69C5 (talk) 22:51, 10 October 2015 (UTC)

I'm an unregistered user and don't want to sign up. Could a registered user add that Frobisher Crescent, part of the Barbican Estate in the City of London is named after Frobisher. - source here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.130.88.225 (talk) 12:38, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Done. Thanks for the info. Evanh2008, Super Genius Who am I? You can talk to me... 05:43, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Ore story contradiction
One part says they picked up a rock at the very last moment of the first voyage, and came back for more on voyages two and three.

The introduction makes it sound like they found a rock [I had written rocket in February!] on the second journey and decided to take two hundred tons more home with them on the second voyage.

I think the first version is more accurate, but will leave to others to fix the discrepancy. Thank you. Fotoguzzi (talk) 17:22, 11 February 2010 (UTC) [Fixed typo, separated comments, and formatted the question.]Fotoguzzi (talk) 05:39, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Gerry1998 wrote: That Frobisher mistook "hornblende" for gold seems most unlikely. The reference in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shylock to "iron pyrites," also known as "fool's gold" for that very reason, makes more sense. Not sure where the "hornblende" story comes from, nor am I Gerry1998 (talk) 00:33, 13 April 2021 (UTC)sure how to make this change.


 * The identification of the rock as hornblende is clearly referenced in the text. Take a look at Robert Steven Ruby (12 June 2001). Unknown Shore: The Lost History of England's Arctic Colony. Henry Holt and Company. p. 257. Glendoremus (talk) 04:54, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

You are right. Incredible as it seems, Ruby has done his research properly. Should have looked it up before commenting. In that case the reference to iron pyrite wrt Frobisher in the Shylock article needs correcting. Gerry1998 (talk) 23:12, 13 April 2021 (UTC)


 * I've fixed the Shylock article: corrected info and added source. Thanks for pointing this out. Carlstak (talk) 02:23, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

Date of death [citation needed]
http://books.google.com/books?id=CjEMAAAAIAAJ

on page xxv of this 1867 book scanned by Google, the date of death is listed in a parish register as 22 Nov 1594. is there a reason to think that the 15 Nov 1594 date is more accurate?

Here is the way the book describes it:

''In the register of St. Andrew's parish, Plymouth, 1594, there appears the following : — "Nov. 22nd. Sir Martin Frobisher, knight, being at the fort built against Brest by the Spaniards, deceased at Plymouth this day, whose entrails were here interred, but his corpse was carried hence to be buried in London."''Fotoguzzi (talk) 05:33, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Fighting the Armada
Frobisher was heavily involved in fighting the Armada in 1588, and was knighted for his service. This is not detailed. The action off Portland Bill must be worth recounting, surely? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dean1954 (talk • contribs) 13:02, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

Should 'Northeast Passage' be clarified?
In Martin Frobisher, should the phrase "searching for the Northeast Passage" instead say "searching for the Northeast Passage around the Arctic coasts of Norway and Russia" for clarity? This is the only time the Northeast Passage is referred to in the Frobisher article so people might not get that the first time. EdJohnston (talk) 05:34, 21 December 2017 (UTC)


 * ✅ Glad you caught that, Ed. I wondered the same thing when I first encountered it in the text, but forgot about it. I agree that this needs clarifying, so I'm adding it. Thanks, Carlstak (talk) 14:59, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

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First voyage in 1544
I've seen numerous pages on the Internet that mention this first sea-voyage of 1544 in their short biographies of Frobisher, not unlike the one that's being used a source right now. I do have the suspicion, though, that these pages (and the one cited took their information largely from Wikipedia in the first place, simply because they are all very similar in their wording and don't provide any source to back up that claim.

Taliesin Trow's Frobisher biography does not mention Frobisher's first voyage to sea as being in 1544. He was only around nine years old then and still lived with his mother in a landlocked area. There'd be no reason at all for him to go to sea at that age. Only after his mother's death (when he was around fourteen) did he move to live with his uncle, who was the merchant who facilitated his subsequent (or first) voyages to sea. I think the reference to that first voyage should be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stormgrass (talk • contribs) 17:27, 5 August 2020 (UTC)


 * I agree. The comprehensive biography by McDermott makes it clear that his first voyage didn't happen until much later. Glendoremus (talk) 18:03, 5 August 2020 (UTC)


 * I agree as well. We have no good sources to support the claim that Frobisher went to sea as a cabin boy in 1544. The given Spartacus reference doesn't pass muster—it's a very short essay without footnotes. Carlstak (talk) 21:15, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Okay, I've updated to strike reference to cabin boy in 1544. Glendoremus (talk) 00:15, 6 August 2020 (UTC)