Talk:Martin Gore

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Currently residing in Santa Barbara, California.--Rockero 22:22, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

Lists of who-sang-lead-on-what-song moved to separate page???
I think this page ought to be a biography of MLG. I believe it should focus on the life story of MLG and the importance of his work. I think that the who-sang-what-song sections are rather micro-managed, fannish, and irrelevant to a biography which otherwise doesn't really have a lot of substantial information in it yet. I think that there is valuable information as to who sang lead on what song, but I would humbly suggest that it become a separate wikipedia page. This article would benefit greatly from more factual, biographical, sourced information on the life and work of MLG. Right now, the bulk of the article is all this who-sang-lead-on-what stuff. What do you think? Could that information be moved to a separate page? Would anyone like to do that? Jdubowsky (talk) 08:04, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

In my opinion it is a part of his work. He's not only a composer but a singer as well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.173.119.59 (talk) 20:03, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Good point, but if you look at the wikipedia biographies of other famous professional singers, they do not have lists of all the songs they sang in their careers. I'm not suggesting deleting the information, I'm suggesting moving it to its own page. Thanks for commenting. Any other comments? Jdubowsky (talk) 07:15, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm quite happy with the article as it is now. Martin sings not too many songs so the list of them is not very long and is handy for reference. I wouldn't move it to a separate article. Garik 11 (talk) 08:09, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Prose Style of Main Article
The prose-style of this article is terrible. It sounds like someone is writing in German and then having babble-fish translate it. The flow of the sentences is extremely clunky and the syntax is often muddled so the reader has to go back and re-read what was stated.

Could someone please rewrite this entry for clarity's sake? MLG is an important pop songwriter and deserves better.

An example of what I am talking about: "Gore contributed only two tracks; the instrumental "Big Muff" and "Tora! Tora! Tora!". Also on the album is "Any Second Now (voices)", which has Martin on lead vocals, his first for the band and the only non-cover song he sings which is not written by himself."

The first sentence makes it sound like both "Big Muff" and "Tora! Tora! Tora!" are instrumentals. Also, the second clause of the second sentence is confusingly worded. "His first for the band" probably refers to "Any Second Now (Voices)" being his first vocals for the band. I have no idea what "the only non-cover song he sings which is not written by himself" means.

Upon closer inspection I have the following issues with the article:

FACTUAL ERROR: "David is credited with the name "Depeche Mode" after seeing the phrase in a French fashion magazine."

This isn't technically true. The band's name is taken from the NAME of a French fashion magazine called "Depeche Mode."

MISLEADING: "When Alan Wilder was finally introduced as a permanent member of the band (c. 1983), Gore let all production and arrangement responsibilities rest with him. This is especially evident when comparing the solo church organ demo of "Enjoy The Silence" with the epic synth pop masterpiece that it eventually became."

"Enjoy the Silence" came out in 1990. There are FOUR albums which are overlooked. Was the writer not able to find evidence of Wilder's influence before 1990? How about all of "Black Celebration"?

MISLEADING: " Fans tend to be disappointed in Martin's Playing the Angel and Exciter tracks,"

What is the writer's evidence for this? Playing the Angel is a NEW album and the consensus on Depeche Mode fan boards (DM.com, sideline, and BONG) is the PTA is a return to form. Why does the writer feel he/she can speak universally for the fans?

OVERLOOKED: The rest of the article is just a lot of fan speculation about what "fans" like and the "highlights" of the show. There is nothing about the political arc of Gore's songwriting (from "Everything Counts" to "John the Revelator") nothing about his African-American father, nothing about his DJing, nothing about his troubled marriage, his children, his production credits on other artist's albums, his cross-dressing phase in the mid-1980s, his drinks problem, or even his Ivor Novello award. This article truly needs an overhaul.


 * The above comment was written Dec 2005 but I have to add to the so-called 'misleading' comment on Alan Wilder's influence on the 'masterpiece' of Enjoy The Silence. I personally like this track but I do not agree with how the statement is worded.  It's not clear that the version of 'Enjoy The Silence' is all down to Wilder's influence.  I remember reading an interview with DM and a comment of theirs was how many versions and mixes they went through before deciding on the one they felt worked best.  And whther or not it is a 'masterpiece' is surely personal opinion, which doesn't belong in a wikipedia entry?  If there are no arguments against, I'm going to remove that sentence.  Even the rest of that paragraph is in real need of some citations... --Recurring 22:29, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Ponytail Girl
To the anonymous editors that continue to add "Ponytail Girl" to the list of song's with Martin on vocals, please be advised that a simple Google search clearly indicates that this is not a Depeche Mode song, rather, it is by Color Theory. Now that this notice is here, it should be noted that if it is continually added to the list, this will constitute vandalism. Thank you. John5008 --- talk 23:16, 30 January 2006 (UTC)


 * This has to be one of the worse and most disappointing profiles I've ever read on Wikipedia. It's Martin Gore!! -vik20

Personal Life
The divorce has since been finalized and has been put in its proper tense. Punctuation and grammar also corrected.

About Personal Jesus (Acoustic)
In the article of Wikipedia we notice that Personal Jesus (Acoustic) is attributed to Martin Gore, while it is David Gahan who sings it. On the contrary, Gore sings the acoustic version of Enjoy the silence, that's to say the Harmonium remix. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.18.72.238 (talk • contribs)
 * Martin does indeed sing the acoustic version on the single. The album version is sung by Gahan. Re-modified. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Basty goofy (talk • contribs) 20:34, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Black?
Are their any sources for this? He dosent look black at all. 71.137.83.153 06:45, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Yes, there is a published source for this. See Jonathan Miller, "Stripped: Depeche Mode" (Omnibus Press, 2003, 2004, ISBN 1.84449.415.2, pp.318-319). The book is thorough and indexed. It contains a very fascinating interview with a childhood friend, Gore's response, and some interesting details. To paraphrase, regarding his appearance, Gore has curly hair and certain dark features. The book intimates that a meeting between Gore and his biological father did not go very well; the book implies that his father is of very humble ways and means, while Gore of course is one of the wealthiest Britons, and that was the salient feature of interest to the father. I would like to see additional sources on this matter, especially those which might address the cultural or critical significance of Gore as a mixed-ethnicity composer and pop star. Jdubowsky 09:11, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

See also J.D. Constantine's interview of Fletcher in Revolver, May/June 2001, p. 52. Constantine writes: " Gore was 13 when his mother first told him that the man he called 'Dad' wasn't really his father. But it wasn't until after the birth of his first child, when Gore was 31, that he learned the whole truth. "Actually, his dad is American, and he's black and lives in Virginia" says Fletcher. "Since then, Martin's met his dad... He looks the spitting image of Martin." " Jdubowsky (talk) 07:54, 1 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Maybe his father is mixed-race or light-skinned, though. That would still count as "black" in a white majority country. 惑乱 Wakuran (talk) 01:32, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

Dressed In Black
Ok I have inserted this song to the Martin sung songs for DM for the like...the 4th time,may I ask who the person is that constantly deletes Dressed In Black from the list?
 * Well, it's not sung by Martin, so that's why it is constantly removed. It even says so on the official website. Closetoeuphoria 01:07, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Any relation to Al Gore?
Just wondering —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gimodon (talk • contribs) 20:11, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Of course not, even the article says his mother is British and his biological father is African-American. Danny Darko (talk) 00:03, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Lyric book spam
The entire section on the lyric book seems copy-pasted from the official write-up: http://www.lays-livre.com Should be removed or completely rewritten, minus the commercial spam. Sunjan (talk) 09:17, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Video games stuff
says he's suing a video game and has sued Microsoft etc as well. This isnt in the article. --Matt57 (talk•contribs) 16:26, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Martin Gore doesn't feature on Eminem song "50 ways" !!!!
Depeche Mode fans know the difference in voice between Martin Gore and someone else. IT'S NOT HIM !

Personal Life ...
This section is just plain poor, on many levels. I'm not inclined to fix it, but someone should. Kooosh (talk) 05:49, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

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