Talk:Martin Guerre

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GUI've always very much enjoyed the film Le Retour de Martin Guerre. But I'm not sure if a susbtantial amount of the plot it historical. There was a French film made in 1938 called Carrefour. The script was written by Hans Kafka and it is in essence the same story but in a contemporary setting. The film was then remade in Britain in 1940 as Dead Man's Shoes and then in Hollywood as Crosswords (1942). I don't think I've seen any of these films, but I wonder how much of the plot for Le Retour de Martin Guerre was taken from the Kafka script, or whether Kafka was influenced by the Martin Guerre story. Mintguy (T)


 * From reading the IMDB description of Carrefour, it seems to me that the plot is quite different, in that the main character returns from the war suffering from amnesia; the main point seems to be that he himself is not sure whether he is the right one or not. AxelBoldt 18:35, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)

simpsons
The article took a long time to get around to saying why this French peasant is interesting for anything other than having a soap-opera plot for a life. I added a weak sentence but the intro still needs work. Also, is the Simpson's material relevant? The writers tend to be quite literate so I'm not ruling out a deliberate reference, but the plot similarities seems more likely to be a coincidence. Isomorphic 20:52, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)

No, the Simpsons reference is completely irrelevant. Both writers and showrunners have stated that the show is NOT inspired by or a spoof on the Martin Guerre story. It should be deleted from the article. User:Anonymous


 * Agreed, removed. It even says so right in the text, which is sourced. -- Stbalbach 14:48, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

intro
Would anyone care to tell why the changes to the intro were reverted? The new one was in direct response to a criticism in WP:FAC; and see above. Absent any attempt at justification, re-reverting. Dandrake 19:39, Aug 31, 2004 (UTC)

Should have done my research first. Flying Rabbit is simply a vandal with a grudge against Isomorphic. Dandrake 19:50, Aug 31, 2004 (UTC)

NPOV
The main section uses Natalie Davis' account of Bertrande's behaviour that "Bertrande remained on his side,", should this be the case? We should really stick to the facts in this section, even if we use Davis as the main source. Whether Bertrande remained loyal to the impostor is debatable because she pressed charges... didn't she??? Dragonfang88 (talk) 16:45, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

In fact, why are we using Davis' account and not the original 16th century account by Jean de Coras? After all, Davis' book is a highly controversial, if popular, interpretation Dragonfang88 (talk) 16:51, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

False Information
If you're such an accurate judge of what information is false and what isn't why the hell can't you spell deliberately right?--74.131.91.136 (talk) 01:37, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

To whom is this addressed? Dragonfang88 (talk) 12:27, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

See Martin Guerre(Affaire)
I'm trying to improve this article on the French Wikipedia. If someone wants to look at it, or help. It's a very interesting case in different points of view : historical, judicial and even linguistic. Good novels, good movies and still a lot of suspense.--Mélété (talk) 14:00, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

The Real Martin Guerre?
It's my understanding that there is no proof that the one-legged man who showed up at the trial was the real Martin Guerre. He may have been a second impostor who was coached by someone familiar with the situation. After all, it's not as though the people of the time could match fingerprints or DNA.

Unless there is very good evidence that the one-legged man was the real Martin Guerre, I think the article should be amended to point out that he could have been another impostor. In the meantime, I'll try to find a citation for this information. Bluemonkee (talk) 01:22, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

The Simpsons
Simpsons' episode The Principal and the Pauser seems to have been based on the story of Martin Guerre. In the episode, it's revealed that Principal Skinner is actually an impostor, taking the place of someone he had met at Vietman. When the real Skinner shows up, the town doesn't believe his story and ties him to a flat train car. Similar to Martin Guerre's story, Skinner's mother accepts the impostor, as he is better behaved than her actual son.

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Sexuality Discourse
Martin Guerre is gay 2001:569:7EE3:C500:B8B8:43AE:88C7:5194 (talk) 08:07, 8 September 2022 (UTC)