Talk:Martin Hawke, 7th Baron Hawke

Lost its way?
This has the makings of a very good article but I think it has become bogged down in the details of Hawke's playing career. The GA criteria advocates that an article must "stay focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail" and "use a summary style". Coverage of Hawke's personal life, his captaincy, his technique and his administrative capability all comply with this standard but the career section does not. It is going off into the wide blue yonder and should really be started over. If a detailed account of Hawke's career is desired, I suggest that it be the subject of one or more child articles.

I've been working on the YCCC articles which cover the span of Hawke's career so I'll take this under my wing too. If no one objects, I intend to scrap the playing career structure and condense the text into a necessary summary of the key topics. I have the main YCCC histories but I don't have the Coldham book. However, I suspect too much attention has been given to that book formerly.

I'll try to make it suitable for GA nomination in due course. --Mykleavens (talk) 06:24, 31 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Further to the above, I've assessed the article against the B-class criteria used by the cricket project. --Mykleavens (talk) 06:32, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Ready for GA nomination
Having made fairly extensive changes and added a lot of new material, especially for the period from 1888 to 1908, I think the article now meets the B standard (see criteria above) and I will shortly nominate it for GA to see if it can be improved further (as of course it can). --Mykleavens (talk) 10:17, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Surprised
Having been away from the site for most of this year, I'm surprised to see all the work that's been done on this in the meantime. I admit I "abandoned it" last year because I got fed up. It looks like Mikeleavens can't get hold of the Coldham biography I've got. I'm anti-FA/GA but one thing I would say, as Sarastro already pointed out, is it should never have gone near any kind of review with such a short lead. The purpose of a lead is to summarise the article and clearly there's been nothing done since I wrote a few short lines just to kick the thing off. It needs a lot more work than that brief intro. I take it the tours are still unfinished and Coldham is very good on those. But it's looking a lot better overall and the playing career section has really taken shape. If you want help that Coldham might provide, write to my talk page. I'm reclassifying it as C-class because it fails the criteria re the lead and the content is unfinished. Jack | talk page 13:07, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

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