Talk:Martin Reim

Country of birth
Reim was born in Tallinn in 1971, which at the time was a part of the Soviet Union. Following the naming conventions policy, he should be listed as being born Tallinn, Soviet Union in the infobox. A mention that Tallinn is now Estonia should be fine for the text. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 03:10, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Tallinn has always been Estonia like LA has been always in California. No matter if the city and state was part of Mexico or US. The policy says To be clear, you may sometimes need to mention the current name of the area (for example "what is now France"). In 1971 Estonia was de facto part of USSR (not recognized de jure by the US and UK), now Estonia is part of the EU. To be safe, I'd suggest 'Tallinn, Estonia, USSR'. Like for example anybody born in 'Los Angeles, California, Mexico' before California became a state of the US, a little like Estonia was de facto part of USSR but has by now become a member state of the EU.--Termer (talk) 04:36, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

The point is, it doesn't really matter whether it was the Republic of Estonia or the Soviet Union. The place was still Estonia and he had nothing special to do with the Soviet Union. Only when Estonia was reindependent again, he was taken into an international football team. Therefore, birthplace Estonia sounds the best. And another thing, Estonia has never been part of the USSR, it was the Estonian SSR. There is a big differenece as you should know. H2ppyme (talk) 06:36, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * And to add more - if it matters anywhere that the person was born within the Soviet Union (football players definitely aren't the case), we can add something like this: Tallinn, Estonia (under Soviet occupation).H2ppyme (talk) 06:40, 29 April 2009 (UTC)


 * No, the point is policy says we follow what it was the time, not "what sounds better." -- Ricky81682 (talk) 19:58, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * The same issue was discussed here and here.H2ppyme (talk) 06:16, 30 April 2009 (UTC)