Talk:Martyn Lancaster/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: The Rambling Man (talk · contribs) 13:09, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Comments
 * Lead needs work. No one-sentence paras, and certainly not five paras in total, probably three for an article of this length.✅
 * The "would" thing needs work too. In the lead no fewer than ten times is "[Lancaster] would".  This I think is an artefact of USEng.  I would simply translate "and would go on to play in" into "and played in".  Tighter and less wordy.✅
 * "The Seals," no clear indication who these are. I would avoid nicknames in the lead.✅
 * " After 18-months with " no need for hyphen.✅
 * "would soon get to itch" certainly not encyclopedic.✅
 * "would soon ... would soon" repetitive.✅
 * "The Hammerheads" see above.✅
 * "would be Lancaster's next destination" sort of reading like a tabloid.✅
 * "would try his hand" again, not encyclopedic.✅
 * Could link Soccer Bowl 2011.✅
 * Could link Soccer Bowl 2013. And I note he didn't play in that match, just an unused substitute.✅
 * No mention in the lead of his retirement and anything else like that.✅
 * "keen admirer of fellow centre-backs " they weren't "fellow" when he was growing up.✅
 * "in the 6−0 defeat " etc. sounds odd, I'd say "in a ... defeat"✅
 * "at Ninian Park.[9][8] " ref order.✅
 * "the Young Player of the Year award" why italics?✅
 * "a trial at the Premier League club.[17][18]" not sure I see that claim in either ref.✅
 * "however nothing ever materialised in terms of a permanent move.[19][3]" a bit too chatty. And refs out of order. ✅
 * "he wouldn't play" avoid contractions.✅
 * "after 69 years.[21][13]" ref order.✅
 * " the 2000–01 season, he began " doesn't run-on properly. needs either a full stop or "as" in front of "he began".✅
 * "The Seals had a good run in the FA Cup making ..." who are The Seals? And "good run" is POV.✅
 * "finally the credible 2−0 defeat" I imagine you mean "creditable" but once again, this is a bit POV.✅
 * "he pounced on a Steve Whitehall blocked shot to drill home " tabloid writing.✅
 * "FA Trophy semi-final " sea of blue.✅
 * "Rushden & Diamonds, the tie ended " not a comma, either a new sentence, or perhaps a semi-colon.✅
 * " was transfer listed" hyphen.
 * Do you mean transfer-listed? Starvinho (talk) 08:57, 16 April 2020 (UTC)


 * "few days later he suffered a concussion in the game against Morecambe." "few days"? Unencyclopedic.  And Morecambe is overlinked.✅
 * "netted" tabloid.✅
 * "Yeovil Town.[38][33] " ref order.✅
 * "number of serious incidents " this needs explaining.
 * Hard to expand of this because there are no further details about what the indcidents were and when they took place? Starvinho (talk) 08:57, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

That takes me to the end of the Chester section. A way to go, but let's see how we go with the above comments and take it from there. I'll put it on hold. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 19:27, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
 * "with the other players" unnecessary.✅
 * "It transpired that he had apologised ..." too much like a narrative.✅
 * "2001–02 Football Conference" is overlinked.✅
 * " helped The Blues extend " who are The Blues?✅
 * "inal appearance for the club " for Chester City (last club mentioned wasn't Chester).✅
 * "FA Trophy" is overlinked.✅

Thanks for your comments. I'll work through the above points... Starvinho (talk) 07:00, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

I'll check stats and refs after these have been addressed. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 14:31, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
 * "January 2003, he played the" two sentences.✅
 * ""from the in the third round. FA Trophy (unlinked)✅
 * "round.[44][3]" ref order.✅
 * "at Eton Park.[47][42] " order.✅
 * " ultimately helping RMI " not sure. Whether he helped or not is probably POV.✅
 * "when he played replace "when he" with "and"✅
 * "a remarkable comeback" certainly looks remarkable but POV, any quotes to support it?✅
 * "to do some coaching at a high school" - "to coach at a high school"✅
 * "due to Atlanta already having their"-> "Altanta already had their full quota of international players so they passed on Lancaster.[6][82]" (ref order too)✅
 * " Back at the coaching camp there was a player who knew" reads like a story, keep tone neutral.✅
 * "g season.[82][6] O" ref order✅
 * " in minutes in the process," does this mean "most minutes played"??✅
 * " for USL First Division club Atlanta Silverbacks" both overlinked.✅
 * And here you don't insert "the" in front of the club name while previously you did (and I found it awkward).✅
 * "the move came around after he had impressed against Atlanta in the previous season's U" you've pretty much mentioned this in the previous section.✅
 * "three year deal " -> "three-year deal"✅
 * "as they ousted" tone.✅
 * "season, he played" and instead of he.✅
 * "resounding " no need.✅
 * " opening the door to a potential transfer" no need.✅
 * "September," either semi-colon or add "as"✅
 * Miami FC. overlinked.✅
 * " Rochester Rhinos on the opening weekend of the season.[116][113] " Rhinos overlinked, ref order.✅
 * "ultimately helping" or "helping" seems to be all-to-often used in the article.✅
 * " former club Atlanta Silverbacks in " overlnked.✅
 * "at Atlanta Silverbacks Park.[" ditto.✅
 * "Minnesota United" again.✅
 * "Semi-Pro"? Just England C.✅
 * "in 2005.[82][6] " order.✅
 * When did he retire?✅
 * What has he done since retirement?✅

I think I've done all of the above. It was tough to find anything on his retirement but I've found something that mentions it plus some coaching he did. Starvinho (talk) 21:23, 16 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Check all online refs have either publication or accessdate (or both).✅
 * Loads of spaced hyphens in ref titles, should be spaced en-dash (per MOS:DASH).✅
 * Scorelines (e.g. 3-1) should be en-dash too (e.g. 3–1).✅
 * Avoid SHOUTING in ref titles.✅
 * Footballers from Wigan is a category yet Wigan isn't mentioned once in the article.
 * Billinge is a part of Wigan. Starvinho (talk) 21:02, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Get these sorted and I'll do one more run through to check before promoting. Keep up the good work! The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 18:59, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

All done. Starvinho (talk) 21:02, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Good work. I think it's there now, well done. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 09:24, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the help and advice. It's very much appreciated. Starvinho (talk) 21:41, 19 April 2020 (UTC)