Talk:Marvel: Ultimate Alliance 2/Archive 2

New news
http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/rpg/marvelultimateallianceiifusion/news.html?sid=6204131&mode=news

A little busy to add this right now, but I'm archiving this so I can get to it later. --Teancum (talk) 18:28, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Name Change
It appears that they are dropping the "Fusion" Suffix to the name, as the trailers and new logo don't have it: http://uk.xbox360.ign.com/dor/objects/14233938/marvel-ultimate-alliance-2-fusion/images/marvel-ultimate-alliance-2-fusion-20090205063243962.html?page=mediaFull —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.1.111.98 (talk) 16:52, 7 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I have confirmed this change by contacting Activison: http://www.evilavatar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=76883 Modeps (talk) 15:46, 11 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Hopefully this does not offend, but a notable gaming site needs to post that news before we can make the change. --Teancum (talk) 16:16, 11 February 2009 (UTC)


 * No offense taken. EvAv has been around since 98. We had a Wikipage, but it seems to have been deleted due to an edit war. VG247 picked up our story as well. Modeps (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 00:32, 12 February 2009 (UTC).

Character Art vs Official Confirmation
The issue with adding a character on the main website is that often characters who art only in art form get cut from the game. Heck, even characters who have an in-game character model often get cut, but I'm willing to budge there. --Teancum (talk) 12:55, 20 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I should add that I think these characters will be in the game too. I'm not disputing that.  But Wikipedia is different.  You need super-solid evidence, and that's why we can't just go by art on the website. --Teancum (talk) 13:01, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
 * yes we can.. It shows us who's in the game but it doesnt tell us who's playable.

I strongly disagree. Like I said above characters quite often get cut. Every character we've added thus far has either been: All those characters had was art from the website, which incidentally was changed, so we don't have any legs to stand on anyways. --Teancum (talk) 04:28, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Officially Confirmed
 * Confirmed by in-game footage
 * Has been confirmed by more than one reliable source

PC
IGN indicates that Marvel Ultimate Alliance 2 will come out on PC. Is this reliable info? 203.219.179.89 (talk) 02:54, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
 * No. Vendors often get platforms wrong.  Since we have the official information from the official site we need to go by that. --Teancum (talk) 12:24, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Nick Fury
I can't edit the characters section, but Nick Fury is listed as not being known as to whether he is playable/non-playable. However in the article at it confirmed that he is not playable (just underneath the first screenshot)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by HBK nWo33 (talk • contribs) 21:44, 12 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah but in the last game he "wasn't" playable, but ended up being an unlockable character when you beat the game, so we can't confirm that. Plus they're talking about a demo, so think if it in that context.  We can't assume. --Teancum (talk) 23:37, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Deadpool as yet to be confirmed
Here is an image from the new Wolverine game promoting Marvel Ultimate Alliance 2. I believe that would be enough to add him as yet to be confirmed. Sorry if this is a bit of a messy post. First post here. Jag 1207 (talk) 06:44, 1 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah, the worry I have is that often game art changes, characters get cut, etc. I'm not saying he won't be in.  I'd say there's an extremely good chance he'll be in.  But it's much safer to wait for the official confirmation, or a confirmation from a reliable source.  Nice capture though.  As far as I'm concerned he's in.  Unfortunately Wikipedia needs something more iron clad.  --Teancum (talk) 09:58, 1 May 2009 (UTC)


 * http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/979/979092p1.html IGN is reporting Deadpool as a character. Rowdyoctopus (talk) 08:24, 4 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes, but even they are saying it isn't official. I figure why not wait a week or two for the confirmed source? --Teancum (talk) 10:10, 4 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Well it is official now peeps. Deadpool has been confirmed as a playable character in the game. On the game's site, it makes it sound like you can play him as either anti-registration because he wants to have fun, or pro-registration like in the comics because he wants to be a bounty hunter. http://marvelultimatealliance.marvel.com/en/news_comments/deadpool_making_the_merc/ and http://marvelultimatealliance.marvel.com/#/Home/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.197.97.205 (talk) 16:48, 15 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Yep, and that's why he's already been added. --Teancum (talk) 17:51, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

venom is playable.
http://www.gamestop.com/Catalog/ProductDetails.aspx?product_id=74403 look at the box art.--Lbrun12415 02:01, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

its hard to make out - maybe ultron (vision/wonderman) or even war machine. however, Venom does make sense.

Other box art shows: Nova, Punisher, Iron Fist, thor, Spider-man(black costume), Nightcrawler, Hulk, and Hawkeye.

http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u275/Braxcave/MUA2.jpg (140.254.69.123 (talk) 16:36, 20 May 2009 (UTC))


 * That's clearly fan art. It's just a very basic redesign of the original MUA cover.  Compare that with this one.  The background is a basic recolor, as is Spider-man, you can see Thor's hammer/hand behind Hawkeye, and it looks zero like the GameStop box art. --Teancum (talk) 17:21, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Venom it is - he looks playable, as does green goblin, in this video - a new exclusive for E3. http://www.cinemablend.com/games/E3-2009-Marvel-Ultimate-Alliance-2-Heroes-And-Villains-Trailer-17855.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 164.107.90.60 (talk) 04:18, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Juggernaut
Besides rumours and a reference to a gaming magazine artictle which I can't find, Juggernaut has not been confirmed as playable by any official sources and so shouldn't be on the list. 77.101.118.64 (talk) 16:11, 19 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Have you read the new Game Informer? Juggernaut was confirmed to be a pre-order bonus. --Teancum (talk) 16:55, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

confirmed in developer blog: http://marvelultimatealliance.marvel.com/en/news_comments/the_making_of_juggernaut/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.254.69.123 (talk) 16:20, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Patriot
I see that Patriot has been listed in the not yet confirmed as playable zone anyone mind pointing out any refferance to thant? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.102.103.205 (talk) 10:17, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Check the last trailer. —Preceding unsigned comment added by KidKon (talk • contribs) 10:25, 29 May 2009 (UTC)


 * If the game is pre-ordered at Hollywood Video, Game Crazy or Movie Gallery they have Thor as an exclusive download. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.129.218.94 (talk) 22:06, 5 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Strange, Thor seems like a character that comes with the game. Got a web link? --Teancum (talk) 23:59, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
 * That's true I saw that also a while back on some xbox link if I find it i'll post it.--Lbrun12415 00:40, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Requested move
Marvel Ultimate Alliance 2: Fusion → Marvel: Ultimate Alliance 2 &mdash; RELIST: Bot removed. Name of the game has officially changed. Currently the link is a redirect, and so I cannot move it. --Teancum (talk) 00:18, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, the bot removed it from the list because you didn't complete a move request on this talk page. If the move is uncontroversial, you can list it in the "Uncontroversial requests" section at WP:RM rather than under "Current discussions". It won't be removed there. Dekimasu よ! 00:30, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Why did you redirect it? Fusion is its official name. Change it back please. 114.77.6.119 (talk) 20:49, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
 * No its not check the site.--Lbrun12415 23:47, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Release date
Why isn't the release date on the page? It's set for September 8, 2009 http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/rpg/marvelultimateallianceiifusion/index.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.58.228.129 (talk) 05:32, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Because in several face-to-face interviews during E3 Vicarious Visions specifically stated that they don't have a solid release date, only Fall 2009. --Teancum (talk) 05:58, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Don't know if this helps http://www.xbox.com/en-US/games/m/marvelultimatealliance2/ --Lbrun12415 23:40, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm still a little leery. Literally every time they interviewed Karthik Bala (head of Vicarious Visions) at E3 he was very adamant about the fact that there was not a solid release date. --Teancum (talk) 02:05, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

What are you the official MUA2 Wiki-Editor...just put the release date up. Nobody cares that Karthik Bala probably doesn't know when the release date is, it's not like the president of every company knows everything about all of the products. And you have no problem putting Gambit as a playable character from a non-confirmed UK box cover. C'mon now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.60.249.147 (talk) 18:56, 30 June 2009 (UTC)


 * That's not the point. The release date has to be verified by a reliable source.  Normally Gamespot would work, but Bala specifically contradicted that date, so he trumps it.  It's not about what I want, it's about getting the right facts for Wikipedia, period.  As far as the box art versus the release date:  The box art is used on not one, not two, but several reliable gaming sites, whereas the release date varies on several reliable gaming sites, some stating September 8, some September 30, some "Fall 2009".  Because nobody can agree the date can't be verified.


 * Oh, and I don't appreciate the personal attack. We're adding what can actually be confirmed, and right now the release date can't be with conflicting dates. --Teancum (talk) 20:47, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Further proof


 * Gamespot says Sept 15 (whereas above in an earlier post it said Sept 8)
 * GameStop also says Sept 15
 * IGN says Sept 8
 * Xbox.com says Sept 8
 * Gamespy says Sept 8
 * GameCrazy says Sept 8
 * 1UP.com says Sept 2
 * VideoGamer.com says only "2009"
 * GameZone says Sept 1

And regarding Gambit, he also was accidentally revealed on the site through a bug in Jugernaut's bio, so with that and the official box art he's verifiable. --Teancum (talk) 20:55, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Gambit is yet to be officially revealed so until he is it would go under the "speculation" rule of the page and should be removed, along with the possibly faked box art. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kain40 (talk • contribs) 20:07, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Gambit was officially revealed, on the offical site his bio was posted by mistake under some other character, and on gamestop.com they showed him on the box cover then was blocked out.

No he was not. I was personally on the website myself. His bio was on Juggernaut's in Italian. THat does not mean he is confirmed. (Theliterate (talk) 14:26, 12 July 2009 (UTC))

heres that thing you were looking for about thor being download code..
http://www.gamecrazy.com/games/game.aspx?id=14303&LF=STL --Lbrun12415 03:02, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Jean Grey, Penance, Gambit
None of them have been OFFICIALLY confirmed, why are they on the list of playable characters? —Preceding unsigned comment added by MylesRW (talk • contribs) 12:58, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Gambit is mosr likely in because the cover of MUA 2. It has not been confirmed if he is in or not but everyone on the cover is in I think.(Youngwarrior4 (talk) 13:45, 12 July 2009 (UTC))

Hawkeye cover pic
The Hawkeye pic on the cover is wrong. He has not even been announced to be in the game yet and has never been in a trailer. By look here You can see that the Thing is supposed to be in the spot. Thus that means the whole cover is wrong. (Theliterate (talk) 14:24, 12 July 2009 (UTC))


 * Yes but the one with the Thing is for America, the with Hawkeye\Gambit is for England--Dead Guy 6 (talk) 15:53, 12 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Sorry thats wrong. That isn't even hawkeye and if they did make him in it you really think they would use an image from a comic? Thats really Bullseye. I can give you the link to the image now. Here it is Users on the official MUA 2 website have been talking about this. If you need anymore proof here is the link  Here is the one with Gambit.  (Theliterate (talk) 16:50, 12 July 2009 (UTC))


 * Oh, darn your right--Dead Guy 6 (talk) 22:30, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

At first I was happy when I seen the pic but I knew it was fake. Luckily a mod or something fixed the pic. (Theliterate (talk) 11:40, 13 July 2009 (UTC))

Penance, Cyclops, Nova
Didn't they all have voice actors confirmed? So they're going to be included in the game? MylesRW (talk) 19:34, 12 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes. Was not aware about Nove but Cyclops has an official voice actor. Surely this means he will feature in the game SOMEWHERE!? Strydom21.04 16:02, 27 July 2009 (UTC)


 * If you have a reliable source that lists Cyclop's actor, please share it so we can add it. (NOTE: Wikipedia doesn't consider IMDB.com reliable). --Teancum (talk) 15:53, 27 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I will have to find the site again, but Zach Hanks (voice over actor) had a profile of his current projects and 1 of these read "Marvel: Ultimate Alliance 2 (Cyclops)" but I understand a source needs to be provided. Just thought I'd drop that in here. Strydom21.04 10:23, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Juggernaut over AMAZON
Since no one from the UK can get Juggernaut via Gamestop, VV made a deal with Amazon.co.uk, and a representive even confirmed that Uk buyers will get Juggernaut via Amazon.co.uk if they pre-order. http://www.herohq.com/forums/viewthread/8558/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zmikey08z (talk • contribs) 15:12, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Pro chars Anti chars
In the article, it only says Iron Man, Mr.Fantastic, Captain America and Luke Cage are locked onto certain sides. It has failed to mention Songbird being stuck on Pro and Iron Fist being stuck on Anti. For further proof, go to the homepage of MUA2, and select characters. Go onto Songbird and Iron Fist. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zmikey08z (talk • contribs) 15:17, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

heres a pic of jean and gambit
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/Goonie1/Stuff/Pic4.jpg

heres the link http://www.thefwoosh.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=96&t=60393

scroll down a few until you see it.--Lbrun12415 02:11, 22 July 2009 (UTC)


 * ok well jean got deleted off the characters section for some reason and i don't know how to make references, so somebody has to put her back up with the reference. 24.7.20.12 (talk) 22:05, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Exclusivity of Juggernaut to gamestop
amazon.com also offer juggernaut as a preorder bonus character and possibly other retailers. I suggest the claim that he is only available by ordering through gamestop is removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.0.65.211 (talk) 23:13, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

and its official yay
http://uk.ps3.ign.com/dor/objects/14233937/marvel-ultimate-alliance-2/videos/sdcc09_marvel2_trl_gambit_72109.html

http://uk.ps3.ign.com/dor/objects/14233937/marvel-ultimate-alliance-2/videos/sdcc09_marvel2_trl_jeangrey_72109.html

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/100/1006050p1.html

http://media.ps3.ign.com/media/142/14233937/imgs_1.html

--Lbrun12415 03:15, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Stan Lee Cameo
Stan Lee will make a cameo in the game. http://ds.ign.com/articles/100/1006180p1.html Hobocrow (talk) 03:17, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Jean Grey vs Phoenix (listing in character section)
The official trailer for Jean lists her as Jean Grey, and as that's the case the character should be listed as Jean Grey and not Phoenix, even though she is in her Phoenix costume. Don't forget that Jean has technically been a separate being from the Phoenix. From The Marvel Wiki:

Jean did not die. The Phoenix Force responded to Jean's anguish and telepathic calls for help as she was dying aboard the space shuttle. It appeared before her, shaping its form and consciousness after Jean's own. The Phoenix Force told her that she was dying, but that by taking the Phoenix Force's hand, she would gain her "heart's desire." What Jean most wanted was to save the lives of the X-Men and herself. 'She held onto the Phoenix Force's arm and fell into a coma-like state. Simultaneously, the Phoenix Force fully took on the form, memories, and personality of Jean Grey by absorbing a portion of her consciousness.' The Phoenix Force used its powers to ensure the survival of the X-Men in their return to Earth and crash landing in Jamaica Bay off New York City. It was also responsible for casting Jean into a coma-like state and placing her within a cocoon-like construction, which rested for years at the bottom of Jamaica Bay while her injuries healed completely. Thus the Phoenix Force fulfilled its pledge to Jean.

That being said, we need to leave it as Jean, as that's how the trailer is the official word. --Teancum (talk) 05:56, 23 July 2009 (UTC)


 * heres a better link http://www.gameinformer.com/News/Story/200907/N09.0723.0955.53154.htm?Page=4 --Lbrun12415 15:37, 23 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Wow - not that I want to turn this into an off-topic discussion, but Gambit looks horrible. --Teancum (talk) 16:54, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Jean grey and Gambit
Jean Grey and Gambit are playable they should be added to the list —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.71.171.54 (talk) 18:28, 25 July 2009 (UTC)


 * They already have been. --Teancum (talk) 18:46, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

War Machine
Is it me or War Machine appears one screen at the end of the new trailer when Thor do is super attack ? I guess he can be added in the playable characters list ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by KidKon (talk • contribs) 21:20, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Just watched it again, I only saw bad guys, Thor, Mr Fantastic and Iron Man. --Teancum (talk) 21:30, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Just watched it again, we can see the cannon on his shoulder, so it's War Machine ! But it's not Jamie Madrox, it's just an untransformed Johnny Storm ! —Preceding unsigned comment added by KidKon (talk • contribs) 07:57, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Watch the trailer at GameTrailers in hi-def. You can clearly see Multiple Man's T-Shirt symbol on the guy right behind Capt America when he throws his shield. --Teancum (talk) 10:46, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

You're right ! Great Find ! Hi-Def changes everything ! :) Not sure for War Machine anymore !--KidKon —Preceding undated comment was added at 11:40, 6 February 2009 (UTC).
 * Nah, it's him. He's in his Initiative armor.  You can also see his rocket launcher in its down position (on his back) just before they cut to Captain America. --Teancum (talk) 12:27, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

That doesn't mean he should be in. Not everyone in the trailer is in the game. (Youngwarrior4 (talk) 13:48, 12 July 2009 (UTC))

question
I know that this game has 24 characters but does that include Juggernaut?--Lbrun12415 17:23, 3 June 2009 (UTC)


 * They never put a 100% solid number I thought. I thought it was "over 24 playable characters".  Maybe I'm wrong, I dunno.  I'm pretty sure they didn't pin an exact number down though. This link on the main site says "over 24" --Teancum (talk) 17:57, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Idk I find it weird maybe there's 24-30 that they are not telling us about? But who knows. Theirs still time for all of that.--Lbrun12415 18:25, 3 June 2009 (UTC)


 * but jean is gonna be in the game or not ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.129.12.48 (talk) 15:17, 13 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes, she was shown on the back of the game's pre-order cover at GameStop. --Teancum (talk) 15:43, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

thanks! you know who is the five characters who's missing in the official site ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.129.12.48 (talk) 15:17, 13 July 2009 (UTC)


 * No, but as soon as we know we will post them. --Teancum (talk) 19:41, 13 July 2009 (UTC)


 * [quote]Yes, she was shown on the back of the game's pre-order cover at GameStop. --Teancum (talk) 15:43, 13 July 2009 (UTC)[quote]

do you have proof of this. the only ones ive seen were on photoshop and you cant really count those because people can make them w/e they want.--Lbrun12415 20:37, 13 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes, go into a local GameStop and look at the back of the pre-order cover. --Teancum (talk) 15:25, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I just went to my local gamestop stor and they were removing the pre-order boxes i asked why and they said it was b/c they leacked the last 6 character.--Lbrun12415 20:12, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
 * the last 6 characters? in the pictures i've seen they only possibly characters they leaked were jean grey and gambit (the european game cover and the images below in the jean grey discussion)24.7.20.12 (talk) 16:18, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Nope. we don't know if Jean might be in the game or not. She could just have a pic. I know she will be in but I'm staying unbiased and have to say until we get solid proof we don't know if she is in. (Theliterate (talk) 22:59, 14 July 2009 (UTC))


 * True. Maybe for now we should wait on messing with the character table until the Comic Con interview with the developers; which will be Saturday, July 25th according to =192 the Comic-Con website].  Agreed? --Teancum (talk) 23:48, 14 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes. I'm a freuqnet user on Herohq the official Marvel Ultimate Alliance 2 website, News Lad(I think and he's a developer for the game) said there would be 2 or 1 character reveals at Comicon. Yep we just wait. (Theliterate (talk) 15:24, 15 July 2009 (UTC))
 * http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_O-gneIwx2g .--Lbrun12415 19:54, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Hardly credible. --Teancum (talk) 03:42, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

What do you mean the video? I did not put it there.(Theliterate (talk) 13:23, 20 July 2009 (UTC))
 * I know, Lbrun12415 did. I'm just pointing it out. --Teancum (talk) 13:56, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Assessment as of 2009-07-14
Rating Start-class. There's really not enough for B-class or even C yet, and B shouldn't be pursued until the item is released and reception is covered. It's a good start, just keep at it and keep expanding it.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 00:01, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Jean Grey
Jean has been shown on the back of the box art, and every other character on the box is a confirmed playable character. Pics: http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b12/SirSexy620/downsized_0711091434.jpg http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b12/SirSexy620/downsized_0711091435.jpg http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b12/SirSexy620/downsized_0711091436.jpg —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.26.142.193 (talk) 16:54, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
 * who's the guy next to iron man? i'm having trouble recognizing him cause of the blurriness. is it just thor? Hobocrow (talk) 01:21, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, its just Thor. Atin25 (talk) 02:41, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Penance in = Official
There's a screenshot of him on Gamespot. Stop removing him from the list, guys... 86.164.40.117 (talk) 17:56, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
 * image got deleted from gamespot for being leaked Hobocrow (talk) 18:05, 23 July 2009 (UTC)


 * No offense, but it isn't "official" until it's officially announced. A leaked screenshot, still isn't enough for Wiki. Plus, if you're only going by a screen-shot then it could be showing an NPC. WIKI DOES NOT REPORT RUMORS. Until, it's been officially announced by a reputable source it's just that a rumor. You can't add it to the list till it's been confirmed (even if we all know it's true).Flygongengar (talk) 00:13, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
 * No he is in gamespot also has pictures plus a video of him in it. http://uk.gamespot.com/xbox360/rpg/marvelultimateallianceiifusion/images/0/24/?tag=thumbs_below;thumb;4

not to mention he had a very huge role on the civil war, why wouldnt he be in?--Lbrun12415 00:22, 24 July 2009 (UTC)


 * If he's in officially released pictures then he can be added to the unconfirmed if playable section of the characters (that includes Bishop, She-Hulk, etc.). As per Wiki's policies, you can't add him to the confirmed playable character list until he's been, you know, confirmed. To do so based solely off pictures would fall under original research which is not allowed.Flygongengar (talk)


 * @ Lbrun12415, it's not a matter of why wouldn't he be in, or if he deserves to be in. You need a source to cite that says he's playable. Not just pictures.Flygongengar (talk) 00:33, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
 * yes i know that, but they do have a video of him in the game im trying to find it, he has a mask with spikes on it.. give me a few minutes find it. because I did find the gambit and jean video's.--Lbrun12415 00:37, 24 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Penance's screens and videos are being deleted because he wasn't supposed to be shown yet. There was a screen of him on gamespot and other legitimate sites, now there's not. I do agree with Flygongengar though, Penance should have been put as "unconfirmed as playable" Hobocrow (talk) 00:45, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
 * A news story about Penance's leaked screenshots being pulled could be cited in the article; we'd just need to be explicit that we're not saying that Penance is in, but that the screenshots were leaked and then pulled. EVula // talk // &#9775;  // 04:59, 24 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I think it's fairly certain he is playable since he is not only on the SDCC display but also in a game screenshot (which wouldn't of been removed unless he was playable, look at the Nick Fury pictures). Only playable characters are shown on the display - but if you guys want to leave him as unconfirmed until then I'm fine with that MylesRW (talk) 17:10, 24 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm adding him back to playable, he's in the SDCC trailer and a dev has leaked him on twitter. Can someone do the reference? https://twitter.com/GMRJEN Look at the top entry in reply to "Yeah I figured Penance would be playable"MylesRW (talk) 22:35, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
 * they just added him to the list but theres no bio when you click on him. I'm guessing he was leaked.--Lbrun12415 06:19, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 * i'm able to read his profile on the official site. maybe your computer is just freaking out. Hobocrow (talk) 16:20, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Speedball was confirmed on the second Developer blog of Penance —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mastercarr (talk • contribs) 00:27, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * If he is in the game i think its just going to be the same moveset as penance, minus the hurting himself Hobocrow (talk) 01:57, 29 July 2009 (UTC)


 * If you read the full blog he refers to them both as Robbie Baldwin, meaning that he's talking about two different sides of Robbie, Speedball and Penance - not two different playables. Given that there's the in-game shot of Speedball at the bottom of the blog, that's either a pre-civil war cutscene model, or an alternate costume --Teancum (talk) 18:40, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Nightcrawler?
where's the proof that Nightcrawler is in the game? 24.7.20.12 (talk) 01:43, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 * nevermind he got deleted 24.7.20.12 (talk) 15:56, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

What About Shocker/other villains
Remember the 2nd MUA2 Site when they showed the heroes fighting shocker and Diamondback and others like Lady Deeathstrike. They should be put in the villians sectionMastercarr (talk) 22:06, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Look at Character Art vs Official Confirmation. And just because you type something in the talk page doesn't mean you can add them to the article too. Next time wait until someone says something.--Lbrun12415 22:34, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

The characters are obviously leaked so if you disagree why dont you just delete Ms. Marvel. The villains were leaked first of all and 2nd there villains what do you think your gonna play as them(with all due respect)Mastercarr (talk) 01:57, 30 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah, but the difference is that we have physical, reliable proof of any characters on the list. The 'old site' you're talking about got removed and there's no reliable way to prove it was there.  It may even be possible (though unlikely) that it was changed because those villains got cut from the game. --Teancum (talk) 02:01, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

That Is because it was leaked it wasn't supposed to be on there, and THEY ARE VILLAINS. THEY ARE PEOPLE YOU FIGHT, IT IS EXTREMELY UNLIKELY THEY WILL BE PLAYABLE YET!Mastercarr (talk) 02:12, 30 July 2009 (UTC)


 * The villains Green Goblin, Juggernaut, and Venom are playable in this game. You cannot make assumptions; there must be proof. --PseudoChron (talk) 06:16, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Im telling you the old website was leaked and true. and if im right you owe me an apologyMastercarr (talk) 19:15, 30 July 2009 (UTC)


 * No one said it was a definete no, people just said that they were merely artwork rather than officially confirmed. And i highly doubt it was leaked because they kept it on their for so long. And they had a forum about it! -- Zmanm407 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.250.153.22 (talk) 01:31, 31 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I already know about the old website -- the point is we don't have physical evidence of it anymore, and being an encylopedia, Wikipedia requires it. That's why they can't be added. --Teancum (talk) 01:47, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Then howcome Diamondback was on the artwork and later on the trailer as well as Lady Deathstrike. FOR THE LAST TIME THEY ARE VILLAINS! tHEY ARE PEOPLE YOU FIGHTMastercarr (talk) 15:10, 31 July 2009 (UTC)


 * That only confirms that those characters are in the game. It doesn't confirm that you fight them. That's why FOR NOW they're in the other characters section. Hobocrow (talk) 16:29, 31 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Please watch the attitude, Mastercarr. We're not being rude to you, please don't be rude to us.  Also remember that the during the Marvel Civil War it wasn't about "Heroes and Villains" it was about pro-reg and anti-reg, with both heroes and villains choosing sides.  So whether or not they're a 'bad guy' doesn't apply.  We also don't know who is actually confirmed to be "bad" or a "Boss character" aside from those already listed in the villains section, like Hobocrow said, so we can't move them there yet. --Teancum (talk) 17:00, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Im Trying to get you guys to understand that over the past history of games like this those guys were the villains. It's not any different and it is extremely likely that they will be villains since a. None of the aformentioned villains were/are Thunderbolts b. You have and always will know that they are the bad guys and they are not reformed c. They have an intense dislike for any or all heroes that are included in this game. and d. They were in the artwork which was pretty much confirmed to be the story so basicly the artwork is legit. Again the artwork and the story share the same likeness Secret War Fighting Multiple Villains(E3 09 Villains trailer) Super Human Registration Act Captain America recruiting and rallying with the heroes against the Act So as you can see there is no logical reason for not putting the villains in the Villain section It doesn't make any sense arguing about this I mean the proof was shown to the public and it mirrors the current story 100%. And that is my reason why the villains should be in the villains section. And Im sorry if I offended anybody with my strong arguments in any way. Sometimes I may get Slightly carried awayMastercarr (talk) 02:29, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Hold up I think this guy is right I mean if it werent for mastercarr putting Stan Lee on the list(which no one else probably would have done) We have had an outdated list so maybe hes right about the artwork I mean it really is the exact same thing as the story. I mean dont peanalize me for agreeing with this joker but I think hes right —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.244.132.93 (talk) 02:42, 1 August 2009 (UTC)


 * You're missing the point. Wikipedia requires 100% factual, reliable and current sources.  The fact is the source disappeared for those villains, so we can't put them in.  The fact also remains that the developers have said they've made adjustments to the Civil War story to fit gameplay, so we can't assume that a villain in the comics will be a villain in the game.  Do I think you're right?  Yeah, probably -- but the point is it has to be 100% solid fact for Wikipedia. --Teancum (talk) 04:09, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

In other words, just wait for some sources to appear that don't get deleted. Then you can put them under enemies. Hobocrow (talk) 06:08, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

I guess you guys maybe right but there is a good chance I am right as well. But as you said Wikipedia needs reliable sources. In my opinion I think the data was leaked and blended in really well with the story was talking about, but that site is no longer here so uh.. I guess we will go with this for now. But as the no name user said. You all probably would not have put Stab Lee in the character section, even though he said he would be in the game. But I was here to do that, Im not bragging Im just saying that I really think Im right about this one too. But if you guys want to wait lets wait.Mastercarr (talk) 15:23, 1 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Stan would have been put in eventually since there are multiple sources where he says he's got a cameo. But I definitely will say Thanks! for putting it in first. --Teancum (talk) 15:32, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

I was the first to mention Stan Lee was in the game (in archive 2 of this discussion page), but nobody seemed to care, and I was just too lazy to put it up myself. Hobocrow (talk) 16:26, 1 August 2009 (UTC)