Talk:Marvel Comics 2

Chronology
''Moved from the article... - SoM 23:18, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)''

What follows is a [chronology] (i.e., reading order) for all of the comics in Marvel's MC2 line. Flashbacks (marked "FB") are included at their correct chronological positions, but it may be advisable to read the smaller ones (consisting of a few panels) at the same position as the rest of the issue in which it appears. Pages are counted without including advertisements. The chronology was researched and compiled by Jimmy Flowers.

A-Next 10-FB Spider-Girl 10 [Time Travel] (Page 9, panel 3 through Page 20) Spider-Girl 11 [Time Travel](Pages 1-19) Spider-Girl 44 (Page 15, panels 3 and 5) Spider-Girl 48-FB1 (Page 6, panels 2-3) Spider-Girl 48-FB2 (Page 9) Spider-Girl 49-FB1 (Page 1, panels 2, 4, and 6) Spider-Girl 49-FB2 (Page 7, panels 2+) Spider-Girl 49-FB3 (Page 9, panel 2 thru Page 10, panel 3) Spider-Girl 48-FB3 (Page 10, panels 5-6) Spider-Girl 49-FB4 (Page 14, panels 2-4) Spider-Girl 49-FB5 (Page 16, panel 3 thru Page 19, panel 4) Spider-Girl 7 (Pages 21-22) Spider-Girl 32-FB1 (Page 11, panels 2 through 3) Spider-Girl 32-FB2 (Page 14, panel 3) Darkdevil 1-FB (Page 21, panel 4 thru Page 22) Spider-Girl 39-FB (Page 15, panel 4) Spider-Girl 40-FB1 (Pages 13-14) A-Next 7-FB1 (Page 7, panel 2 through Page 8) A-Next 7-FB2 (Pages 12-13) A-Next 7-FB3 (Pages 18-19) J2 7-FB1 (Pages 6-8) Fantastic Five 4-FB1 (Page 5, panel 3 through Page 15 and Pages 18-19) Spider-Girl 32-FB2 (Page 14, panels 4 thru 5) J2 1 A-Next 1 What If (Volume 2) 105 J2 2 A-Next 2 Spider-Girl 1 A-Next 3 (Up to Page 20, panel 2) J2 3-FB (Page 3 through Page 15, panel 1) A-Next 3 (Page 20, panel 3+) A-Next 4 J2 3 (Pages 1-2, Page 15 panel 2 through Page 23) Spider-Girl 2 to 5 J2 4 and 5 Spider-Girl 0 A-Next 5 Spider-Girl 6 and 7 J2 6 Stories 1 to 3 Spider-Girl 8 J2 7 Stories 1 to 3 Spider-Girl 9 J2 8 Spider-Girl 10 and 11 A-Next 6 J2 9 Stories 1 to 3 A-Next 7 to 11 The Buzz 1-FB1 (Page 4, panel 3 thru page 9) Spider-Girl 12 The Buzz 1-FB2 (Page 10) The Buzz 1 The Buzz 2 (Pages 1-8) Spider-Girl Annual 1 Stories 1 (Pages 1-25) 4 (Pages 47 thru 48) and 5 (Pages 49-55) A-Next 12 Fantastic Five 1 Wild Thing 0 Wild Thing 1 Spider-Girl 13 to 15 Fantastic Five 2 to 4 Wild Thing 2 Story 1 and 2 Wild Thing 3 Stories 1 and 2 Fantastic Five 5 Spider-Girl 16 Wild Thing 4 Stories 1 and 2 Spider-Girl 17 Wild Thing 5 Stories 1 and 2 Spider-Girl 18 to 22 The Buzz 2 (Pages 9+) Spider-Girl 23 The Buzz 3 (Pages 1-5) Spider-Girl 24 Spider-Girl One-Half The Buzz 3 (Pages 6+) Spider-Girl 25 to 27 Darkdevil 1 to 3 Spider-Girl 28 to 87 Last Hero Standing 1 to 5 Spider-Girl 88 to 100 Last Planet Standing 1 to 5

I have merged successive issues of the same series (most notably Spider-Girl) and stories from the same issues of given series (if they were listed in order) into single lines to make it better readable without disrupting the order itself. Also added What If v2 105 to the original list, since there the MC2 universe was first featured in Marvel publications, not exactly sure if the placement is right but will check up to confirm that and readjust if neccesary. --The Fifth Horseman 15:15, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Corrected placement of What If v2 105 and Spider-Girl 0, added Spider Girl 89-100 and Last Planet Standing 1-5.--The Fifth Horseman 16:37, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Cut-off
The article mentions that several plot points of recent comics (Decimation, "Avengers Disassembled", Thor's destruction of Asgard) didn't occur in MC2 continuity, and on Spider-Girl's page it says that "Spider-Man: The Other" never occurred either. Given that would it be accurate to say categorically that there's some cut-off point after which events in Earth-616 are no longer canonical? If so, when and where do you think it would be located? I suppose such a statement might be too broad, and some events may not have been explicitly referenced as happening or not happening but...well, I don't know MC2. Vignettelante 00:02, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

The earliest known branching occured with Spider-Girl. Basing on her Wiki entry, I'd say the pivotal point happened somwhere in ASM#434 or #435, when Aunt May was brought back instead. --The Fifth Horseman 15:22, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

While, there's a certain divergin point, it isn't as cut and dry as we think. Even though MC2 branches off Earth-616, Tom is known to make references to the Marvel Universe 1999 and up:
 * Such as having Araña appearing in the first Spider-Man Family One Shot. The MC2 Arana apparently had an active career earlier than her 616 counterpart.  Spider-Girl even believed Arana made her debut after Spider-Man's retirement.


 * While small, in Spider-Girl #54, Peter mentions to May a time he fought a band of mimes. Refering of course to a story that was written by Paul Jenkins.  66.233.190.223 10:55, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Tom Defalco has stated it bracnhed off in Amazing Spider-Man #441 (revealed in Spider-Girl #48). Sononsj

While true, it doesn't mean he won't fit the events in the MC2 when it strikes him. It simply happens at a different point in time than it does in Earth-616. As shown in Spider-Girl #39, Mattie Franklin did have a career as Spider-Woman in the MC2 past. 71.115.231.16 04:54, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Dead characters question
While there are rules concerning the death of a character with the list of differences between Earth-982, would a section for 616 characters be appropriate, for the sake of references that is? 66.233.190.223 10:55, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Please explain what do you exactly mean by that.--The Fifth Horseman 09:14, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Would it be ok to add a section for all of the mainstream Marvel heroes who are dead prior to Spider-Girl #0 and further. Characters like:


 * Norman Osborn/Green Goblin
 * Liz Allen Osborn/Nelson (In MC2 continuity she and Foggy Nelson stayed together).
 * Doctor Octopus (He appeared in #3 of The Buzz and dies prior to Spider-Girl #68).

There are more, but you get the idea. 71.115.231.16 09:44, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

In other words, a list of all deceased characters in that universe? I don't see what purpose could that serve. What do you intend that for? --The Fifth Horseman 14:57, 28 November 2006 (UTC)


 * It's to serve as information to those new to the MC2 Comics. Is information on here suppose to be suitable to the US Goverment?  If niot, then can the attitude.

And again, I'm refering to the major 616 characters that died in that universe. 71.115.231.16 01:27, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

The Book That Wouldn't Die
Somebody should write up a section about the many times Spider-Girl has survived cancellation. For a while there it seemed like an annual event. The book has come back from the brink of the abyss so many times that it was even noted on the cover (I think after the forth attempt).


 * And then, one time, it didn't come back. --188.33.164.68 (talk) 21:49, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

does mc2 have any x-men
random thought i was jsut wodnering why a  mc2  never had an xmen book i am guessing they must have an xmen as they have wolverine and J2 but not anything else unlesss i am wrong. i know other alternate universes such as 2099 had x-men titles.--Dr noire (talk) 21:59, 29 December 2007 (UTC) There is a group called X-People, but it never had much exposure beyond an occasional guest appearance or two in other MC2 titles. --188.33.164.68 (talk) 21:47, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Original intention
The article makes it sound like DeFalco always intended the MC2 line to be set in the present, instead of being set in an (alternate) future. As far as I know, this was not the case until the crossover with the main (616) reality established it so, and only because DeFalco was *made* to fix things this way by Marvel. Are there any particular quotes proving it either way? -Wilfredo Martinez (talk) 21:16, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

I remember reading an interview where DeFaclo talked about how future he was going to make it, whether or not there would be flying cars, huge changes in fashion, and that sort of thing, but he said that since technology really hasn't leaped that far forward in a decade or two in the past, he didn't see the need for it then. I don't recall where that interview as though. Possibly Wizard. (72.184.56.92 (talk) 00:29, 16 May 2009 (UTC))

What about the American Dream comics?
There is a five-issue miniseries that has ben collected in TPB form. Is this not part of the MC2 continuity? I don't have it so cannot say for sure ... PhS (talk) 22:20, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Is part of, indeed. --188.33.164.68 (talk) 21:48, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Removed section
I've removed the following from the article:

List of known major differences between Earth-982 and Earth-616 Several events that occurred in the mainstream Marvel Universe are known to have still occurred in the MC2 Universe. This portion of the article is dedicated to listing the known major differences between both universes.

hidden text: NOTE TO CONTRIBUTORS: This list should be used only to note down events and characters whose Earth-616 and Earth-982 histories and deaths contradict each other.
 * Cassandra Lang is a member of the new Avengers under the alias of Stinger and does not possess the growth powers of her Earth-616 counterpart. As of 2012, the 616 counter part died in the Avengers The Child Crusade.
 * Jessica Drew never regained her powers, she is not queen of the Skrulls and Secret Invasion never happened. However, it is hinted within the pages of A-Next #2 that Mainframe mentioned there was a Skrull invasion in this universe's past.
 * May Parker was returned to Peter Parker and Mary Jane Watson-Parker by Kaine, later becoming Spider-Girl.
 * During the Gathering of Five Storyline, Green Goblin died in his final battle with Spider-Man and Spider-Man lost a leg. For a while he attempted to continue his crime fighting career with a prosthetic but gave it up shortly thereafter. This means most of Spider-Man's career post Gathering of Five never happened.#
 * Harry Osborn's death in Spectacular Spider-Man #200 remains valid in MC2 continuity, whereas his 616 counterpart was revived successfully by his father Norman and kept in hiding across Europe until he resurfaced during the Brand New Day storyline. As a result, Normie Osborn grows up without his father, gradually growing insane and resenting Peter Parker.
 * The death of Kraven the Hunter remains valid in MC2. As a result of this, the events of Grim Hunt have not come to pass, and thus Kaine is not dragged into its events.
 * Curt Connors' wife and son remain alive in this continuity.
 * As Peter Parker remains married to Mary Jane in this continuity, Carlie Cooper does not become his girlfriend, but the Parkers still meet her during an investigation and Carlie offers Peter a card with information on how to contact and join the NYPD, saying they need a few good scientists there. Peter would eventually take up Carlie's offer shortly after giving up his role as Spider-Man and now works for the force in the pages of Spider-Girl.
 * Scott Lang returned to active duty as Ant-Man after a period of retirement.
 * The Avengers disbanded after a battle with their evil counterparts on an alternate Earth, resulting in the deaths of several Avengers, (including Henry Pym), and the events of Avengers Disassembled never occurred as a result.
 * Additionally, the events of all subsequent Earth-616 crossovers never occurred. This applies to any and all future crossovers unless stated otherwise.
 * The death of Aunt May as shown in The Amazing Spider-Man #400 remains valid in MC2 continuity, whereas her Earth-616 counterpart was revealed to be alive in The Spectacular Spider-Man #263, with a genetic clone dying in her place. This was confirmed in the letters page of Spider-Girl #48. Therefore, since Aunt May had already died, and since the Superhuman Registration Act never existed on Earth-982, Spider-Man never publicly revealed his identity, the events of One More Day never occurred and therefore contribute to Spider-Girl's existence.
 * As Peter Parker does not reveal his identity to the world in this continuity, the events of "One Moment In Time" do not occur, thus characters like Felicia Hardy retain their knowledge of Peter's dual identity.
 * Flash Thompson is never enlisted to serve in the middle east. As a result, he does not lose both of his legs and does not play host to the Venom symbiote. He goes on to reconcile with former love interest Felicia Hardy and marries her. Although they would later divorce, the two were able to produce two children from their union: Gene and Felicity Thompson.
 * Thor never destroyed Asgard and is ruling the realm much as his father Odin did in the past, although Asgard was eventually restored in the 616 universe.
 * Wonder Man's death in Force Works #1 remains valid in MC2 continuity. Constructs of him battled the current Avengers in A-Next #8 while protecting the Scarlet Witch, who was in a coma at the time.
 * Captain America was killed in battle by Loki instead of being assassinated by Crossbones and Sharon Carter, his life energies are converted into a star. Whereas Captain America was eventually discovered to have been displaced in time and space by the bullet which "killed him" in the 616 continuity, Captain America remains dead within the MC2 universe
 * Speedball did not become Penance.
 * The events of the Civil War have not come to pass in general, mainly due the disbanding of the original New Warriors and the original Avengers, as well as Iron Man's retirement and Captain America remaining in an alternate reality.
 * Hulk was never sent to Sakaar and the events of Planet Hulk or World War Hulk never happened, making Skaar and Hiro-Kala non-existent. However, it is shown within A-Next #3 that the Hulk did gain a son named David by an unknown spouse.
 * Reed and Sue Richards' daughter is not conceived in this continuity, leaving Franklin to grow up as an only child.
 * Mattie Franklin became Spider-Woman through unknown means due to Peter interrupting the Gathering of Five. She was briefly mentioned within the pages of Spider-Girl.

This is editor-created, and not cited to a reliable source as to the relative importance or nonsense of these connections. Until each and every one is cited, we cannot include it. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 16:25, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

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Confusing
Article says: ''with the first appearances of most Marvel heroes having taken place fifteen years earlier than in main continuity. '' This seems deeply confusing to anyone not intimately familiar with the sliding timescale. The first appearance of Spider-Man in the main continuity occurred in 1962. When the MC2 was introduced in 1998, the first appearance of its Spider-Man presumably occurred some time in the 70s (since May was presumably born, at that point, in 1983 or so). That is not fifteen years before Spider-Man appeared in the main continuity. I understand what the article is trying to say, but it only makes sense if you understand the sliding timescale, which the article doesn't really explain. (I mean, not that the sliding timescale actually makes any sense if you spend more than about five seconds thinking about it, but we can ignore that for these purposes). I think this needs to be more clearly written. john k (talk) 15:07, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

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