Talk:Marvin Kwitko

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I redid everything. The initial post that was up for the first 15 min was quickly written and just jumbled thoughts. Now that I've written the actual biography it fits the usual Wiki format and there arent any gramatical errors. Thanks, Alexander Dankoff. --Beuh pudding 10:21, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Better citations needed
Regarding: "Dedicated to his profession, Kwitko was the first doctor in Canada to perform lens implants used for cataract surgery (1967)[1], and the first doctor in Canada to perform Radial Keratodomy surgery (1979)." The RK assertion has no reference or citation and the citation for IOLs does not meet the guidelines at WP:RS. That citation indicates that the CMAJ accepted an obituary submitted by a reader who is anonymous to those who wish to fact check. -AED 16:45, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
 * If it was a small local newspaper I would agree, but the Canadian Medical Association Journal is an eminent peer reviewed professional journal. A claim that a person was the first to perform groundbreaking new procedures would have been examined by experts in the field before publication. After publication the claim would be subject to peer review by the widest professionally qualified readership possible. A false claim, even in an obituary, would have provoked outrage and tarnished the reputation of the journal. Publications like the CMAJ are very careful not to let that happen, which is why we lend great credibility to material they publish. --Dave 21:16, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
 * The credibility of professional journals refers to the quality of the research reviewed and published. The obituary section contains information "submitted by readers" and is not peer-reviewed. I believe "He was the first doctor in Canada to perform lens implants during cataract surgery." appears in quotes to emphasize that the material was not verified by them. The assertion is probably true, so it shouldn't be difficult to come up with some other reference if it is. -AED 21:24, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
 * This link states: "His father, Marvin Kwitko, MD, now deceased, was president and founder of the Canadian Implant Society and one of the first two surgeons to implant IOLs in Canada." Now I'm wondering who else they're talking about. -AED 22:09, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
 * "The modern era began in 1967 when 5 of us (Herve Byron, Miles Galin, Henry Hirschman, Marvin Kwitko, and myself) implanted our first lenses. On December 4 and 5, 1967, I implanted 11 lenses, 6 with intracapsular extraction and 5 with extracapsular." (Norman S. Jaffe, MD in this ref ). I found it yesterday while Googling for references on Dr Kwitko. --Dave 09:26, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Fully Cited and Referenced
All the statements in the article are now referenced and cited to peer reviewed journals. The fact that he was an important canadian ophthalmologist is cited, as well as the facts that he was the first in canada to do his repsective procedures. Every single one of the books he wrote is referenced to their buy websites on amazon. Its referenced to the Knights of the Order of St Johns that he was knighted. Two of his scholarships are referenced to their websites, the second reference may not be perfect but makes reference to someone winning his scholarship that year which is proof that it does indeed exist. I beleive the first one may be discontinued which is why I cant find it anymore, but it did exist. If it really needs a reference to be there I'll remove it. I think its obvious at this point that he was very influencial in his feild and that he helped a lot of people. I hope at this point the articles deletion nomination will be removed and it can stick. I really wanna thank everyone who helped me write this page and I think it really turned out perfectly. --Beuh pudding 05:54, 4 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Good work on the article! I think there are still a couple rough spots, but the article is much improved. Regarding:
 * "Kwitko... was a Canadian ophthalmologist who pioneered in cataract surgery and laser eye surgery.[1]"
 * I will admit to not knowing much about Kwitko, but at this point I'm not sure that referring to him as a pioneer is the best choice of words. To me, being a pioneer in cataract surgery indicates that he invented or developed a technique or techniques that are or were considered revolutionary to the field (e.g. Harold Ridley's intraocular lens or Charles Kelman's phacoemulsification). Perhaps Kwitko has such credits to his name of which I am not aware. Although the first citation confirms that he "introduced modern cataract surgery into Canada", I think being a pioneer is more than being the first to perform a particular surgery in a certain region. That citation also does not confirm that he was a pioneer in laser eye surgery. The third citation indicates that he introduced refractive surgery (i.e. RK) to Canada, but not laser eye surgery. For what we have to work with right now, I would suggest the following:
 * "Kwitko... was a Canadian ophthalmologist who introduced modern cataract surgery and radial keratotomy to Canada"
 * Regarding the following sentence:
 * "He is one of Canada’s most distinguished ophthalmologic writers and surgeons.[2]"
 * I'm not certain how citing one of Kwitko's books confirms how well he is distinguished. Finally, I've also seen "Canadian Implant Society" as "Canadian Implant Association". Is there an official link or more authoritative source for the organization's name? -AED 20:24, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Pioneer
I"m not sure who AED is but as far as using the term pioneer is concerned it certainly applies to Dr. Kwitko. When Dr. Kwitko brought the operation back from Holland in 1965 and started to preform it in certain select cases, the ophthalmic community was against it using terms such as time bomb in the eye. Dr. Kwitko was even thrown out of Mcgill for continuing to preform the operation. Lesser men would have abandoned the operation just out of peer pressure however Dr. Kwitko persisted and time has proven him right with IOL implantation being the norm today. Drs. Galen, Hirschman, Byron, Jaffe, and Kwitko who all had the foresight to go to Holland in 1965 and bring back this incredible idea truly are the pioneers of IOL surgery. Not only for recognizing how it would improve the lives of cataract patients but for having the guts to persist and battle the ophthalmic community who were all against it at that time. Numerous peer reviewed journals have documented that Dr.Kwitko was indeed the first to preform the operation in Canada and he was also recognized for his pioneering work by being Knighted shortly before his death. Gmkwitko 19:14, 4 August 2007 (UTC) Geoffrey M. Kwitko, M.D., F.A.C.S.

AED?
Perhaps I'm speaking out of line, and if I am I would like to apologize to the Wikipedia Mod team in advance, but I feel I have to say this; I don't believe that this "AED" user is basing his unfair and shallow criticism of Dr. Marvin Kwitko on anything more then a petty personal vendetta. Dr. Kwitko was indeed a great man, and did indeed pioneer IOL implantation in Canada. One needs no further then to look to the fact that he was knighted by British Crown. How much more has to be said? It's not like getting a "Participation" award in middle school science fair, the Crown doesn't just knight anyone. I fear I have strayed from my original path, however. It is my belief that this "AED" has continued his attack on Dr. Kwitko, not out of any genuine desire to improve Wikipedia, but out of petty jealousy. When you're at the top of the mountain there are always those who wish to take you down. Sadly most of those people tend to resort to cheap tricks and bullying tactics. Dr. Kwitko dealt with these people through his entire carrier, as do most other great men. Based on AED's actions regarding Dr. Kwitko's Wikipedia page, I have to conclude that he/she is simply acting out of professional (probably) spite to try and discredit one of this century's greatest medical minds. I am very grateful that the Wikipedia team has decided to keep Dr. Kwitko's article up, in light of accomplishments having been properly referenced. I only bring all of this up now after the fact because Dr. Marvin Kwitko is more then just a great figure in Canadian medical history to me, he was my grandfather, and I loved him deeply. I simply ask that this "AED" who has invested so much time into trying to drag my grandfather's legacy through the mud explain himself. Again, if the above message is out of line, I apologize to the Wikipedia Mod-team. -Mike K. IC79 02:30, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Order of St. John link
I've noticed that the reference link is dead. Here's the new link to anyone who can make the edit. http://gazette.gc.ca/archives/p1/2002/2002-04-27/html/gh-rg-eng.html IC79 (talk) 18:28, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

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