Talk:Mary Ann Bugg

Original research
I have added a neutrality tag to the article, I would like to call to question the presentation of the alternative view of the date of death, I feel that it is more widely held that Mary Ann died in 1867 but her date of death at the start of the article is 1905. And in the death section, it is stated that the fact that she died in 1867 is not true, linking to a website which seems to present original research, it would be fine if it was listed as something like "an alternate theory, is that Mary Ann did not in fact die in 1867, but" rather than the way it currently is, which seems to imply that the books on thunderbolt to date have been incorrect. I can understand that the death as reported at the time can give rise to speculation that it was not actually, Mary Ann who died, but someone else, but I feel that it is presented too much as supported fact, but when looking at a page on the citation, the website claims that there "have been made in emails, articles, and letters to editors of various newspapers that the death certificate shown below could not possibly be that of Mary Ann Bugg" and then goes about debunking each of the key arguments, if so many people have set out to dispute the website, that the creator has to make mention of them, then it should be presented in the article here as a possible theory, and not how it currently stands. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.181.80.50 (talk) 12:49, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi following you Email to me

'''Dear Barry,

I am writing to confirm whether permission is granted to use a page from your website under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GFDL ). A user with the [IP 211.30.129.186] has pasted in text from your website http://www4.tpg.com.au/users/barrymor/Mary%20Ann%20Bugg.html to Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

The text concerns Mary Ann Bugg and the original submission can be viewed at http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mary_Ann_Bugg&oldid=9103575

This user claims on the talk page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Mary_Ann_Bugg to be the original author of the material, but for the page to remain on our site, we need further evidence that this is the case.

The article will be deleted in seven days time if permission is not confirmed, though can be undeleted at a later date if you choose to respond later to state that such use is allowed.

Thank you for your time. I look forward to your response.

Yours faithfully,

Kua aka mailer_diablo Sysop, English Wikipedia'''

I am writing to confirm that I am the owner & author of the web page http://www4.tpg.com.au/users/barrymor/thunderbolt.html

& hold copyright to all the material on that page. Regards Barry Sinclair Captain Thunderbolt Family Historian & Researcher

Hi I am Barry Sinclair with an account in the name of barrymor & I am the copyright holder of all the material enclosed within. barrymor
 * Thank you. Permission is confirmed via. email to Wikimedia Foundation. :) - Mailer Diablo 00:55, 23 November 2005 (UTC)


 * In light of this and discussion at WP:CP I have restored the page. I assume you mean by this that you are prepared to licence this material as you did at Thunderbolt (New South Wales). --rbrwr&plusmn; 13:41, 1 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Neutral Point of View
I have removed the tag as it was added without discussion as to what NPOV was being breached. Unless the tager is prepared to state what offends, they should not tag--A Y Arktos\talk 09:14, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

"Whatever the truth, with her passing Australia's colonial history lost another extraordinary person. She was a clever and talented individual, spirited, perhaps a bit of a larrikin, a mother and a loyal partner. She was the sort of person that colonial Australia of the 1860s needed, and was possibly ahead of her time. She may be criticized for her willing involvement with one of Australia's most notorious villains but she is not the first (or last) woman who may be 'guilty' of letting her heart rule her head. At least with Ward she was given the opportunity to show her spirit and determination at a time when most women were subjugated to a life of raising children and crops. To quote Patrick White, "it is questionable if ever a bushranger had a mate more serviceable or devoted."" sorry for quoting the entire section, but I think this part is lacking neutrality. the dramatic language might be suitable for novels or biography, but not for an encyclopedia. especially some part are simply the writer's point of view. --Zephirum 06:54, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Feel free to wikify as per the tag. Dramatic language does not equal not neutral. Note some information about source above.--A Y Arktos\talk 08:07, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Original research
I think better tagged as Original research. We went trough this with Captain Thunderbolt. Barry's Page is obviously a good reference, and his participation must be encouraged. However I think a rewrite is needed to wikify and remove POV as happened on the thunderbolt page.Ghostieguide 00:45, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Moved from "Early Years"
sorry this a complete copy of http://scs.une.edu.au/Bushrangers/bugg.htm who ever wrote this must be someone that would do any thing! shame on you =( — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.172.85.153 (talk) 01:05, 20 September 2009‎

Revert
I have reverted by. This edit drastically changed some 'facts' and mucked up the use of Ibid (use of which is supposed to be avoided in any case) in the references and replaced the references with this: http://users.tpg.com.au/users/barrymor/Mary%20Ann%20Bugg.html, which seems to be a self published website.(see mentions of this site maintained by 'Barry Sinclair', above.)
 * There seem to be 2 separate camps over the death of Bugg, particularly how, when and even who actually died. I am not a 'member' of either side.
 * Wikipedia is not the place for this difference of 'opinion' to be played out, especially by just making major edits to the Mary Ann Bugg page. Rational discussion of the issue is required. - 220  of  Borg 04:54, 25 February 2012 (UTC)