Talk:Mary Dudley

GAN: possible problems
I haven't read the entire article yet, but what strikes my eye as needing work is the heading Dudley daughter and Sidney wife. That looks very awkward and unencyclopedic. I think it should read: Family and marriage. The Serving Elizabeth I heading should perhaps be changed to: In the service of Elizabeth I. --Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 14:57, 23 November 2010 (UTC)


 * I originally named it "Family and marriage", but there is much more now in that section, while the children and siblings also figure in the next section. I have tried "Education, marriage, attainder", but didn't like it. Any further alternatives to "Early life" or "Early life up to 1558" are most welcome! Regarding the other: She served her sovereign, but she wasn't even paid. Buchraeumer (talk) 17:01, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Dudley daughter and Sidney wife is a poor substitute. Why not break it up into sections: Family, Marriage and issue? I am not criticising the article, in fact, it's very well-written. The headings are the problem.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 18:33, 23 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you. In fact, too short sections tend to have problems passing, and in this case the first at least has a natural scope (the Dudley/Sidney thing is alluding to this: the Sidney connection saved her from the full consequences of being a Dudley). I'll continue to look for a clearer title. Buchraeumer (talk) 18:53, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Changed to "Family and early years of marriage". Buchraeumer (talk) 21:13, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Looks good!--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 10:20, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Language
This is another one of those articles on British nobility that uses vague language like "Sir Henry Sidney and his wife had become somewhat disillusioned and embittered ...". According to who? And what does somewhat mean? The article is full of statements like these, which are presented as fact, not someone's interpretation of historical documents, and sound like chatter too. Hekerui (talk) 00:25, 24 December 2010 (UTC)


 * According to whom? According to the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography, and the author of the forthcoming volume on Elizabeth I in the Yale English Monarchs series, as the inline citation makes clear. The ensuing paragraph illustrates their grievances. All "historical facts" are "someone's interpretation of historical documents". Buchraeumer (talk) 01:10, 24 December 2010 (UTC)