Talk:Mary Madeleine

Notability of this event
I've checked the sources and the key point of notability is the report that 4,000 people turned out to protest the murders. Otherwise, it's just another murder. We don't have an article on every family that is murdered in the U.S. or even every family that is the victim of sectarian violence or death squads.

Would someone insert this point into the article and make it more clear why this is a notable event?

--Richard 15:36, 26 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure if this is a notable event or not, I just don't think it's so obviously non-notable as to be a CSD candidate. So I guess if you still think the notability is shaky, an AfD would be the best route. Natalie 16:18, 26 July 2007 (UTC)


 * That would be the besat way, previouly we had this and the community decided to keep. Thanks Taprobanus 16:37, 26 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Also can you give me few days to see what I can do about it ? The creator of this article is offline for few days :( Thanks Taprobanus 16:39, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

OK, I've looked at the AFD for Ida Carmelitta and others. My concern about Mary Madeleine is not that she is not notable; it is that the article does not provide sufficient context to explain to the reader why she is notable.

A cursory reading of the article suggests that she and her family are "just another murder victim". IMO, she does not become notable until it is reported that over 4000 people protested her murder. Similarly, Sarathambal is made notable by the people who attended her funeral. Murugesapillai Koneswary is made notable by the LTTE attack that was claimed to be retaliation for her murder.

Now, review the article and compare it to the other articles mentioned in the AFD. This article lacks the same "context establishing notability" that the others have. My request above was that somebody expand the context of this article so that the reader will understand why this atrocity is notable.

Note: I'm sorry to say it but not all atrocities are notable. I'm not 100% convinced the these atrocities are notable enough to warrant separate articles but I will not challenge the AFD at this time. I will comment that the AFD was resolved with very few opinions so it is a stretch to say "the community" decided to keep the articles.

Further comment: The categories for these articles (Mary Madeleine and the ones mentioned in the AFD) are seriously deficient. What is notable about these murders is not that they were murders or rapes but that they were human rights abuses. I would expect them to be in the category Category:Human rights abuses in Sri Lanka. This category does not exist. Perhaps it should be created and all of these articles put into it.

I also note that Human rights in Sri Lanka does not mention any of these murders. Seems like an obvious place to do so.

--Richard 20:37, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Good work Richard, how about forwarding the article to Vankalai massacre Taprobanus 01:51, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Pictures -- external link?
The picture at the top of the article is very graphic. Would it be better to have the URL as an external link, rather than show it without warning to the viewer? --Magmagirl 16:31, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah why not Taprobanus 16:33, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia generally frowns on removing images simply because they are graphic. It is an encyclopedia after all, and a lot of the photos at Holocaust or similar are pretty graphic. But perhaps moving the photo down on the page would be better. Natalie 19:39, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Redirect of this article to 2006 Mannar massacre
I have redirected this article to 2006 Mannar massacre per the suggestion of User:Taprobanus. 2006 Mannar massacre is where Vankalai massacre redirects to.

I have also created Category:Human rights abuses in Sri Lanka as I proposed earlier.

--Richard 06:10, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Excellent solution Taprobanus 12:04, 27 July 2007 (UTC)