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Governor General Designate
She is not yet governor General, stop editing the infobox to say she assumed office July 6th.WanukeX (talk) 14:24, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
 * When she's appointed/sworn in as governor general. I'm assuming we'll follow precedent here & have Payette as her predecessor, rather then Wagner. GoodDay (talk) 22:50, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Found a source that confirms date is July 26: https://globalnews.ca/news/8024319/mary-simon-swearing-in-ceremony/ Canadianpoliticaljunkie (talk) 19:26, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Like resume tag
Article has a bunch of bulleted lists, clean that up. The Current positions and membership section is especially bad. In the career section, phrasing like «she assisted with the facilitation and write-up», « took the lead role in negotiating», « took the lead role in negotiating» is gibberish people write in their resume. needs to be clarified.159.33.10.190 (talk) 18:57, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Poor citation
I would like to draw attention to the poor quality citation: "McGill University Speakers Bio". Archived from the original on November 9, 2012. Retrieved September 4, 2017."

This citation included at least one error, which stated (and has been repeated in many other resumé blurbs) that subject has received "Gold Order of Greenland" - an award which does not exist.

I have been adding new citations to all honours which link directly to the granting body instead of third parties. Gingerbreadman90210 (talk) 05:40, 7 July 2021 (UTC)


 * I have removed the citation to the McGill University resumé blurb. Gingerbreadman90210 (talk) 17:47, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

Gold Order of Greenland
Many sources, including on the Canadian Prime Ministers biographical profile of subject, erroneously claim subject has received the "Gold Order of Greenland". (https://pm.gc.ca/en/news/backgrounders/2021/07/06/mary-simon-oc-oq)

The "Gold Order of Greenland" does not exist.

An award similar to the "Order of Canada" exists in Greenland, the Nersornaat: "[T]he Greenland Medal for Meritorious Service (Danish:Grønlands Hjemmestyres Fortjenstmedalje), is awarded by the Greenland Home Rule government. It is the highest award based in Greenland." (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nersornaat) (In Danish: https://ina.gl/om-inatsisartut/nersornaat/?lang=da)

In addition, subject received the highest level of this award, Gold. (https://ina.gl/media/2526809/d-inatsisartut-website-inatsisartutgl-media-10534-nersornaat-1992.pdf)

This is the correct name of the award which subject has received, and I have updated Wikipedia article to reflect that, including citation directly to the Parliament of Greenland's website where it states subject received the award on July 24, 1992. Gingerbreadman90210 (talk) 05:45, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

Inuktitut Name
I've made two changes to how Simon's Inuktitut name is presented in this article (before edits: "ᓂᖏᐅᑲdᓗᒃ, romanized: Ningiukadluk").

First, the cited source from CTV gives her Inuktitut name as Ningiukudluk, with a U, not an A.

Second, I've removed the rendering of the name in syllabics. The syllabic alphabet doesn't have a letter D, so online transliterators leave it in the latin alphabet (hence, ᓂᖏᐅᑲdᓗᒃ). The Government of Nunavut's transliteration software suggests rendering D sounds with symbols for T. I think an actual source for how Simon would write her name in syllabics is needed.

Madg2011 (talk) 17:26, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
 * @Madg2011: Check the Inuktitut spelling here.  Peter Ormond &#128172;  17:21, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
 * @Peter Ormond - the name used here, "ᒥᐊᓕ ᓴᐃᒪᓐ", comes out in Latin script as "Miali Saiman". It's a transliteration of her English name into Inuktitut, not a syllabic spelling of her Inuktitut name. Madg2011 (talk) 00:18, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

References to work at CBC
The multiple, prominent references to her work at the CBC are given far more weight than her other past work, to the point that it feels political. There is so much more to her story than a brief job there over 40 years ago, and it seems designed to feed cynicism about prominent CBC journalists being appointed Governor General. Past GGs were indeed noted as being prominent CBC personalities, but this individual does not qualify as such, both because of her relatively minor role there, and how far in the past it was. Her qualifications for the role of GG come from her extensive work in other areas that should be highlighted here. Canadianpoliticaljunkie (talk) 14:07, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

Photo source
I have requested permission from the Office of the Secretary to the Governor General for reproduction rights for this photo to replace the blurry one we have today. Goyston talk, contribs 17:20, 26 July 2021 (UTC) Never mind they won't agree to any appropriate license. Goyston talk, contribs

"Reproduce commercially" includes "posting a mirror site with ads". DS (talk) 01:53, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Really? Even though, I assume, you followed the instructions on the site which says "To obtain permission for non-commercial reproduction please complete the copyright form (pdf — 918 Kb) and forward it to photo@gg.ca."? I fail to see why the use here wouldn't count as allowable non-commercial reproduction. User:Enigma00
 * Images only licensed for non-commercial use aren't allowed on Wikipedia because "we" want the encyclopedia to be reproducible as much as possible, including images. Basically unless someone goes out and takes a photo of her we're stuck with the blurry image. Free content is prioritized over providing readers with useful images on this site. It's better to exclude a non-commercial image even though it's a non-profit site because of the off-chance some entity might want to reproduce everything commercially? It never makes sense to me, but Canada is also to blame. The US and UK can have usable images but we can't? Like seriously the person taking the official images is being paid through public money, but the public can't reuse the stuff they paid the person to do?! It sucks but at least there is an image, albeit blurry. But hey, if Canada wants the current image to be the representation of the governor general on a popular web page then so be it. Heartfox (talk) 20:47, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I would like to understand how this is an issue with this particular photo, yet the photo in the article for Julie Payette (which falls under the same license and is taken by the same photographer) remains up and was allowed to be uploaded. Not trying to be antagonistic, I'm genuinely curious why there is a contradiction.--NR (talk) 01:45, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
 * From some digging at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Johanie_Maheu the Payette photo was uploaded by the original photographer themselves, who possesses all the rights and was able to release it.
 * There was some discussion on their talk page regarding this. Perhaps someone can try and get in touch and see if an alternate photo from the shoot can be released like was done for Payette. — WildComet talk 05:35, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

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When was the RM?
I must've slept through it. When & where was the RM to move this page from Mary Simon to Mary May Simon? GoodDay (talk) 05:08, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mary_May_Simon&diff=1042601884&oldid=1042015977. I understand the rationale but it would have been nice to have a discussion as she is only referred to as "Mary May Simon" very infrequently until now. As seen in the published works section, she mostly credited herself as Mary Simon, not Mary May Simon. It is arguable that her WP:COMMONNAME is Mary Simon, not Mary May Simon. Heartfox (talk) 00:12, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * It seems there was no requested move. Heartfox (talk) 00:15, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Whoever moved the article was probably jumping the gun. But 'Mary May Simon' has since been adopted by the major news organizations (example), and per WP:NAMECHANGES, we give extra weight to reliable sources written after the name change. If the reliable sources written after the change is announced routinely use the new name, Wikipedia should follow suit and change relevant titles to match. So this article is titled correctly IMO. — Kawnhr (talk) 02:47, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * It appears to have been moved due to a tweet the mover noticed about a press release mentioning the name change. I presume since the gg.ca website had also been updated at that time to say "Mary May Simon", the mover did not see the move as being controversial, and as stated at Requested moves, was bold and moved the page without the need for a discussion. It doesn't really matter at this point since RS are using that name now. – Handoto ( talk ) 15:11, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

It looks like, one has reverted their surname change. Compare October website with recent one.  Peter Ormond &#128172;  21:42, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Oy. Given the back-and-forth, should we have a RM? — Kawnhr (talk) 17:01, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Would anyone object if I just reverted it back to Mary Simon, without the need for a full RM? Reliable sources have gone back to calling her that as well (Globe and Mail November 19). Thanks. Paul Erik  (talk) (contribs) 20:38, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
 * On second thought, go ahead. I was a bit worried we may end up revisiting this if usage changes again, but just "Simon" is well-attested now. — Kawnhr (talk) 20:23, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, fair enough. Thanks. I have moved it back now. Paul Erik  (talk) (contribs) 02:37, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Well, bugger me with a fishfork. -- GoodDay (talk) 04:34, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

Criticism section should be added
Recent investigations have shown frivolous spending on oversees trips by the gov gen's office (rideau hall). There should be a criticism section added and maintained with these updated, journalistically verified facts.

https://nationalpost.com/news/71k-in-limo-service-for-governor-generals-2022-four-day-iceland-trip Mullernathan (talk) 22:17, 14 July 2023 (UTC)


 * @Mullernathan: per WP:CSECTION, individual criticism sections be avoided to ensure neutrality. However, these reports can be included as a part of the tenure section describing her foreign trips. Yee no   (talk) 02:25, 15 July 2023 (UTC)