Talk:Mary Young Pickersgill

Fourth Paragraph ??
The 4th paragraph begins with "One hundred and fifty years before American she was very good at women entered the business world Mary Pickersgill was a successful businesswoman and philanthropist, whose efforts made Baltimore a more humane society"....this makes no sense; could the author correct it ? Engr105th (talk) 02:57, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Flag cost?
Regarding the cost of the flag: the Fort McHenry page says $405.90 and this one says 544.74. So what is it? Fnorth (talk) 22:25, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
 * the main flag cost a bit over $400; the storm flag cost about $160 or so; see expanded article for details.Sarnold17 (talk) 02:15, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Did you know
DYK for poor Mary was just not long enough, and for now the well is dry.Sarnold17 (talk) 20:25, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

Mary Young Pickersgill

 * ... that the flag that inspired the lyrics to the United States national anthem was sewn together by Mary Pickersgill on the floor of the malt house of a brewery?
 * Reviewed: Louis Purnell
 * Comment: this might be good to hold until 13 or 14 September, the anniversary of the Battle of Baltimore when Francis Scott Key penned the words to the Star Spangled Banner

Created/expanded by Sarnold17 (talk). Self nom at 02:06, 16 June 2012 (UTC)


 * I've replaced the black and white image with a color image.Sarnold17 (talk) 14:18, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Symbol possible vote.svg No offense, but this article at this time has not passed the 5X expansion requirement under WP:DYK rules. Between June 14 and current version, the expansion has been threefold, not fivefold. You can still expand it further for DYK, and you can either nominate it as Good Article Nominee or request a peer review on this article, as I see good effort you have done. However, if you don't want to expand it any further, and if it doesn't pass the 5X for days or weeks, then this nomination will likely be rejected. --George Ho (talk) 21:17, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Almost forgot: prior days have no substantial addition of prose entries; just infobox, maintenance templates, and external links. I think June 16 is the right date to nominate, but... more expansion is needed. Also, some entries need citations, but I could be wrong... --George Ho (talk) 21:20, 19 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Hello, and thank you for taking a look at this hook. Yes, I'm aware that the expansion is not 5X.  I'm also aware that the guidelines for DYK are guidelines, and not cast in stone.  For this reason, I ask that you allow an admin person to take a look and pass judgment.  The well is dry for Mary, so there won't be any further expansion, because I'm not willing to throw in a bunch of fluff.  However, since the amount of material that has been added is probably greater than the typical 5x expansion, it is worth letting the powers that be take a look.  The material in the hook is all new to the article.  I think this DYK is important, since we've already begun to celebrate the 200th anniversary of the War of 1812, and I would like to run this DYK during the upcoming (198th) anniversary of the Battle of Baltimore in September.  So, if you wouldn't mind would you give this hook a Symbol question.svg or Symbol possible vote.svg rather than a Symbol delete vote.svg, and see if it can run.  If not, I have plenty else to turn my attention to.  Many thanks.Sarnold17 (talk) 00:23, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Symbol redirect vote4.png Thanks for the reply. Unfortunately, for me, I'm not thrilled with this topic, but I'm intrigued by it and the hook. Someone who has more interest with this hook and this person may review this topic with great skill and great judgment. If any administrator doesn't mind per WP:IAR, then I don't know what to say. To me, I'm a rule-follower more than a sympathizer, but I've done previously nominating articles that do not make 5X expansion, honestly. Let's leave this to an administrator then? --George Ho (talk) 00:36, 20 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Symbol delete vote.svg Falls too far short. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:43, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

Mackall painting of Pickersgill
On 17 November 2012 an IP editor changed some of the material concerning the painting of Pickersgill making the Star Spangled Banner Flag, created by Mackall. While the edits made may have been factual, they were not supported with any references. A date and a location were changed, while the provided reference gives a different date and a different location. Therefore, I've changed the text back to reflect the source given, and if these particulars are incorrect, then the corrected material should be supplied WITH A REFERENCE. Apparently the original of the Mackall painting is at the Flag House in Baltimore, while a copy of the painting is kept by the Maryland Historical Society. I've changed the wording in the article slightly to reflect this distinction.Sarnold17 (talk) 18:36, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

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Contradictory re Grace Wisher's status
In the opening paragraph, Grace is described as an "enslaved servant", while in the Fort McHenry Flag section, she is said to be a "free apprentice". Which was she, free or slave? 77.103.47.218 (talk) 01:41, 31 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Original sources cited Pickersgill being helped by her daughter Caroline and nieces Eliza and Margaret Young, and some speculate help may have also come from her elderly mother Rebecca Young as well as an indentured servant Grace Wisher contracted (not "enslaved") by Wisher's mother to apprentice with Pickersgill, in addition to others in the area given the size of the project. 164.113.44.69 (talk) 21:13, 1 March 2024 (UTC)